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Doxa
I take those songs - plus many from WANDERING SPIRIT - as a proof with which I could sue Jagger for not taking the Stones seriously.
- Doxa
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If Jagger released a single "Kow Tow / Say You Will" in 1987 and kept the rest of f the whole Primitive Cool album unreleased, we would probably think that we had missed out on a great album; by 80s standards anyway
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Doxa
I take those songs - plus many from WANDERING SPIRIT - as a proof with which I could sue Jagger for not taking the Stones seriously.
- Doxa
Yes. Exactly. Look, for me WANDERING SPIRIT was an instant winner after first listening. But there was also a feeling like: "Hey,in 1989/90 the made us believe that all was well again with the Stones. And now Mick comes up with a solo album that easily blows all Stones efforts since Tattoo You out of the water. Why? What's the purpose of this album? Was the 1989/90 reunion a lie? What's up next?"
My fear at the time was that it would not be easy to come up with similar strong songs for the next Stones album. And in that respect, Voodoo Lounge did not disappoint me. I loved the single Love Is Strong, I loved The Storm (plus So Young). But when the album arrived, it was, again, just like with Undercover and Dirty Work mixed emotions all over.
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Funny that you don't even mention Wandering Spirit! Or "Blue".
As for "sounding like being recorded in minutes" - I always thought that this could be said of Main Offender. A handful of nicely crafted songs, but the rest of the album is riffing, riffing, riffing, which is not bad at all but it needs songs, otherwise it can get plain boring, like listening to an endless jam.
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Doxa
I take those songs - plus many from WANDERING SPIRIT - as a proof with which I could sue Jagger for not taking the Stones seriously.
- Doxa
Yes. Exactly. Look, for me WANDERING SPIRIT was an instant winner after first listening. But there was also a feeling like: "Hey,in 1989/90 the made us believe that all was well again with the Stones. And now Mick comes up with a solo album that easily blows all Stones efforts since Tattoo You out of the water. Why? What's the purpose of this album? Was the 1989/90 reunion a lie? What's up next?"
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Funny that you don't even mention Wandering Spirit! Or "Blue".
As for "sounding like being recorded in minutes" - I always thought that this could be said of Main Offender. A handful of nicely crafted songs, but the rest of the album is riffing, riffing, riffing, which is not bad at all but it needs songs, otherwise it can get plain boring, like listening to an endless jam.
Well, as noted many times before, I think that WS is the most insipid solo effort by Jagger. Only Sweet Thing is a true masterpiece. All the rest was already done, and better, on Boss or Cool. Plus, I prefer the kitsch 80's arrangements of Boss and Cool, to the fake retro sound of Spirit.
As for Offender, true, half of the music on it is not in the form of song. And you are not forced to like it. I am a huge Miles Davis fan, but I do not like Bitches Brew. As a matter of fact, Brew is only one or two chords - simple as that - but is unanimously rated as a masterpiece. And I fully agree it is a masterpiece.
Ho many great funk songs are just grooves (JB, Meters, Parliament, you name them). How many blues are only grooves (John Lee Hooker!!!). How many Stones songs are just grooves (1/2 exile and GHS, most Black and Blue, almost all Girls) And I can go on and on.
In fact my point is that Offender is what it is because that is exactly how Keith wanted it to be. And you can just see how much time and efforts he dedicated to the making. Every bar of the "groove" is different from the other. There is a story being told. You start somewhere and end somewhere else. Just try to play any song from Offender. You will be surprised to see on how many levels the music is working.
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Ho many great funk songs are just grooves (JB, Meters, Parliament, you name them). How many blues are only grooves (John Lee Hooker!!!). How many Stones songs are just grooves (1/2 exile and GHS, most Black and Blue, almost all Girls) And I can go on and on.
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..... but then why record an album at all when you're not exactly inspired to do so? Because the solo deal with Virgin required another studio album here, right now, not later?
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In my ears, Main Offender sounds a bit like a contract filler. Some great and good songs (no doubt Hate It When You Leave is a classy tune), but not enough to fill an album.
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Gazza
nd words, made worse by that never to be forgotten video
Nothing however will ever prepare you for Mick's return to TOTP after a 16 year absence when he treated the kids of Britain to this. It was so embarrassing I watched it from behind the settee.
The sound on this clip has been removed. You can thank me for it anytime!
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Gazza
nd words, made worse by that never to be forgotten video
Nothing however will ever prepare you for Mick's return to TOTP after a 16 year absence when he treated the kids of Britain to this. It was so embarrassing I watched it from behind the settee.
The sound on this clip has been removed. You can thank me for it anytime!
That Happened. And we all let it happen.
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Doxa
I think we need to notice that PRIMITIVE COOL - with its leading single/video -, was more radical and more far from the Stones comfort zone than SHE'S THE BOSS.
Doxa - how in the hell do you get THAT? What on SHE'S THE BOSS sounds like the comfort zone of the Stones!!??
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Erik_Snow
Those 2 songs, Kow Tow and Say You Will are amongs Jagger's best solo songs; but also....they are also the only 2 good songs Primitive Cool, I think
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Erik_Snow
Those 2 songs, Kow Tow and Say You Will are amongs Jagger's best solo songs; but also....they are also the only 2 good songs Primitive Cool, I think
Well said - but among the worst album cover art of all time. Name 5 that are worse.
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The sound and vocals are god awful total crap. I'll take Talk is Cheap or Main Offendor any day of the week.
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proudmary
Mick responds well to question why he is doing a solo albums.
You’re the singer in what’s been called the greatest rock’n’roll band in world. Why make solo albums?
The quick answer is that I enjoy doing it. You get to a point in your life where you just want to do things you enjoy. I did a long stint on the road with The Rolling Stones. When I came off the Bridges To Babylon tour I thought, I just don’t feel like going into a studio with The Rolling Stones. Though The Rolling Stones is a great band – it’s part of me and I’m part of it – it’s sort of acquired a lot of baggage over the years, a lot of expectations and a lot of prejudices. So you feel as a writer and a singer that you want to break out of that format. Even though The Rolling Stones cover a wide spectrum of music, when you play with the same people you do tend to fall into a format, and it’s hard to cover all the bases you want. It’s a big committee: people expect a certain amount of rock tracks or whatever. And I wanted not to have so much of a committee. You think, I want to do this, like this, and I don’t really give a hoot what someone else thinks.
What was your general mood making it?
It covers a lot of emotions. There not one thing running through it. It reflects the year that I’ve just had, which is good, and there’s a lot of moods in there, from slightly introverted mysticism to comedy to love letters.
A common impression of you is that your moods range only from sardonically amused to mildly pissed off. You’re rarely seen outside of those parameters. But Goddess In The Doorway is an openly emotional record in places.
Yes, that’s right. It’s really a product of being more open-minded, and acknowledging that what you describe had been too much the case recently. Also, if you’re doing a solo album you’re asked to do more. You’re not reliant on anybody else for support, you’re not influenced, and you’re not shy of opening up. Whereas if you’re with a little gang, you’ve got your little codes and you don’t want to be too open. When you’re on your own you feel you can allow yourself that. “Self-indulgent” is the term often used in reviews of solo albums, and they can be. But you’re treading a fine line between being open and honest and stopping short of any maudlin sentiment.
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What more to it? He can't be open, he can't be himself around Richards (I think is also true for KR)- in such an atmosphere it's a miracle that they have released several albums
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Stoneage
The thing is that there was no demand for a Mick Jagger solo album in the first place. The whole world, except one or two label executives, wanted the band to stay together.
So if the price was to break up the band the solo album had to be really good, or at least something really different. Which it wasn't...