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Naturalust
I apologize to for the second time hb. Not likely to change my sign off anytime soon, sorry it bothers you so much.
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hbwriter
Bv- I will resist the urge to answer when being initially insulted - as is what happened here when someone disagreed with my opinion and thus belittled it.....
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Bv- I will resist the urge to answer when being initially insulted - as is what happened here when someone disagreed with my opinion and thus belittled it.....
Disagreeing with an opinion DOES NOT MEAN belittling it, or insulting you... it is simply disagreeing.
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HB, so what happened according to the book? Why did GP's Stones world come crumbling down?
Keith's stance towards Gram has always been a little mystifying to me. Great friends day in day out; many beautiful photos of them obviously immersed in music and toke, and then wham.
No comment on the poison of the thread so far, but want to say that I have loved Gram Parson's music. No, his songs are not all masterpieces, and he isn't the greatest singer, but IMO he has an allure; something that can't be bought, or learned. When I read about him turning girl's heads and hearts, and lighting up the room I can believe easily.
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stonesrule
Naturalust, you had some interesting posts here for a time but you seem to have changed.
HBwriter has made a lot of friends here in the past three or four years.
When you insult him for many of us,it comes as a shock to hear from someone whose mantra is Peace.
Aren't we all past the jealousy stage?
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Naturalust, you had some interesting posts here for a time but you seem to have changed.
HBwriter has made a lot of friends here in the past three or four years.
When you insult him for many of us,it comes as a shock to hear from someone whose mantra is Peace.
Aren't we all past the jealousy stage?
Nicely put stonesrule,and very true....
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Again, I really like that video. I just see it as a charming relic of its time and the first time I saw it, 20 years ago, I didn't think, "wow, he's totally obsessed with Jagger here". May have thought, "wow, he's really camping it up", but, so what? Who cares?
HB, as I said earlier in this relentless thread, I could care less whether anyone likes or dislikes Parsons' music, I know how I feel about it. And, I could certainly care less about any bickering on here between you and anyone else-that's just....weird. But, you really do seem to be trying to, I dunno, pick at a scab here, for want of a better way to put it. And despite your protestations that you're just interested in healthy debate, you don't actually respond to any of the so-called healthy debate, you just respond to people who agree with you or people who vehemently disagree.
I told myself I wouldn't post on this again, but to reiterate: it seems like it's a personal thing for you. I haven't read the bio in question but I've read the Ben Fong-Torres book, the Sid Griffin book and the Polly Parsons co-write and I get it: flawed human being, probably not much fun to be in a band with. But, why would that stop me loving the man's voice or his music? And your constant dismissal of Gram's music as tepid, weak, bland , whatever else you've called it, is I think what maybe annoys some people, like you're trying to provoke, and not in a fun way. The argument you keep pressing is that people who do claim to like it are simply in thrall to the legend, to the mystique, and can't think for themselves. That's what I take from it, anyway, and I find that kind of an insult to my intelligence.
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stonesrule
Naturalust, you had some interesting posts here for a time but you seem to have changed.
HBwriter has made a lot of friends here in the past three or four years.
When you insult him for many of us,it comes as a shock to hear from someone whose mantra is Peace.
Aren't we all past the jealousy stage?
Nicely put stonesrule,and very true....
Reading this... it seems like this is being made out to be one sided, with only Naturalust doing the insulting, and that is not the case. As hb has shown, hb is plenty guilty of lashing out and making insults too, just because he does not add the peace, does not make that ok.
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stonesrule
Naturalust, you had some interesting posts here for a time but you seem to have changed.
HBwriter has made a lot of friends here in the past three or four years.
When you insult him for many of us,it comes as a shock to hear from someone whose mantra is Peace.
Aren't we all past the jealousy stage?
Nicely put stonesrule,and very true....
Reading this... it seems like this is being made out to be one sided, with only Naturalust doing the insulting, and that is not the case. As hb has shown, hb is plenty guilty of lashing out and making insults too, just because he does not add the peace, does not make that ok.
You know Max,in this case imo Naturalust has gotten himself in a jam by his egotistical claims,such
"Most of my Rock Star friends are foolish and obnoxious Gram groupies too so tread lightly"
also ""I finally realize it takes a musician to see the true value of another musician" Cm on,l am not a musician but l think l know what l think is good or bad,that doesn't mean that my taste is better,is just a personal thing.
And the winner of them all for pure Ego:
"btw: I've got more Rock Star friends on my speed dial than you have ever interviewed by using whatever means you do to gain access"
l know hbwriter,and l have never seen that kind of egotistical,attitude,or that he thinks that he is better than us who are not writers..But thats just my opinion...And yes l agree with you we could disagree with each others opinion without insults..
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stonesrule
Naturalust, you had some interesting posts here for a time but you seem to have changed.
HBwriter has made a lot of friends here in the past three or four years.
When you insult him for many of us,it comes as a shock to hear from someone whose mantra is Peace.
Aren't we all past the jealousy stage?
Nicely put stonesrule,and very true....
Reading this... it seems like this is being made out to be one sided, with only Naturalust doing the insulting, and that is not the case. As hb has shown, hb is plenty guilty of lashing out and making insults too, just because he does not add the peace, does not make that ok.
You know Max,in this case imo Naturalust has gotten himself in a jam by his egotistical claims,such
"Most of my Rock Star friends are foolish and obnoxious Gram groupies too so tread lightly"
also ""I finally realize it takes a musician to see the true value of another musician" Cm on,l am not a musician but l think l know what l think is good or bad,that doesn't mean that my taste is better,is just a personal thing.
And the winner of them all for pure Ego:
"btw: I've got more Rock Star friends on my speed dial than you have ever interviewed by using whatever means you do to gain access"
l know hbwriter,and l have never seen that kind of egotistical,attitude,or that he thinks that he is better than us who are not writers..But thats just my opinion...And yes l agree with you we could disagree with each others opinion without insults..
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If I could email you a beer, I would...
I wish they would hurry up and invent that.
Well next time l am in New York,you will buy me one
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If I could email you a beer, I would...
I wish they would hurry up and invent that.
Well next time l am in New York,you will buy me one
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71Tele
hb threw up a provacative hyposthesis (that, based on a video, Gram had some kind of Jagger obsession) he shouldn't be surprised by passionate responses from those that didn't agree. There are plenty of opinions when it comes to Gram Parsons and the only thing I can't understand is why some people don't want to acknowledge that one individual - Gram in this case - cannot contain both positive and negative aspects, the same as members of a certain rock 'n' roll group we all enjoy. In my case, I both enjoy a lot of Gram's music and dislike a lot of the mythology about him, so where does that put me in the Great Gram Debate?
As for Naturalust, if I may make a friendly observation: The "peace" sign-off has gotten tired. It is particularly odd at the end of contentious posts. What is it, 1969? How about signing off with something else for a while, like "cantelope", or "Schenectady", so we could have a bit of a break?
Cheers.
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yaaaaa Beers all around!!! GAME ON!!!!!
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yaaaaa Beers all around!!! GAME ON!!!!!
can i get in on this? please? PLEASE??? Ready to lay down the swords
i'm coming to NY in a few weeks
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hbwriter
as far as the subject at hand - has anyone else here read the excellent book, "20,000 Roads... the ballad of Gram Parsons"? It really is well written - and I think the writer, a passionate Parsons devotee, isolates some interesting things - at the Nellcote sesions, there's literally a day when Gram's "Rolling Stones World" comes crumbling down - the day he is banished from the castle. He was never asked to play on anything, despite the many guests that stumbled in to play, and Keith said something to the effect of, "Gram was too much of a gent to insert himself into the process" - a royal kiss off if there ever was one.
Then, back in London, the orders were that Gram and Gretchen were not to be allowed to stay in any Stones-related abodes - again, he was clearly being chopped off at the knees - he NEVER saw Keith again after that.
So I think the modern Keith quotes about Gram's influence are just some bits of historic meddling - designed to poke Jagger in the eye, and let Keith align himself with the ever-burgeoning "Church of Gram" that just DRIPS musical cred -TODAY, Keith can benefit from Gram - back then? Not so much.
Just an opinion.