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Hahaha...Don't take yourselves too seriously..Remember, iorr
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kleermaker
Here's another interesting version of Sympathy live 1969 (Baltimore). The 'Hey Jude'-version.
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crumbling_mice
I frequently return to this masterpiece of guitar playing and did so today as I was motoring around...I know it was taken from the MSG gig but just wondered if there is any footage of that song...it must have been filmed as other songs from that night were used in Gimme Shelter. Also was it heavily overdubbed or is the recording fairly true to the live experience?
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My dislike for what followed is mostly about the style of guitar playing his replacement brought to the band and what it did to the quirky, but original sound The Rolling Stones had developed during 1962 - 1969 which set them apart from others. The introduction of a John Mayall's Bluesbreaker's school of guitar gods lead guitarist to The Rolling Stones made them sound more similar to other blues/rock acts of the time.
HM, you are of course entitled to dislike the Taylor era Stones and Mick Taylor's input in particular. But while he was in the Stones, he certainly didn't act like a guitar god at all. That's a far spread myth. On the studio albums his soloing is very modest. As for his live contribution: the prove is in comparing the Texas 1978 DVD with the live versions of the songs during Taylor's tenure. The funny thing is that Wood does solo on Live in Texas 1978 about as much as Taylor does on the official Brussels Affair. But no one seems to have noticed that. The cliché 'Taylor the Stones' noodling guitar god' is plain nonsense. He is no guitar god in the first place (so many guitarists are 'faster' and technically better), and secondly his licks and counterlicks are just as important as his solos. Surprise, Surprise: Ronnie Wood is soloing just as much as Mick Taylor does on those similar songs. The big difference: he did it not so good, to say it mildly. In that sense Taylor was indeed a 'guitar god'. But not in the usual sense of the word.
The Stones evolved from 1962 until 1974, GHS being their last great 'original' album, IORR being more like a status quo album. After IORR the Stones generally changed into a trendy band, following the popular musical trends of the time: punk, disco, reggae etc. That's one of the most important reasons people who got into the Stones at that time are so fond of that version of the band: they still recognize the sound of their time. Ask Doxa.
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I do prefer 69 tour most of all: a fabolous jagger, great guitars and a great rhythmn section. I think this period is the best due to the great production work and influence of jimmy miller: the stones never have had that groove and attitude like they had in those days. the band and miller himself were reaching their peak. what had followed is a consequence of this great chemistry they achieved.
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I do prefer 69 tour most of all: a fabolous jagger, great guitars and a great rhythmn section. I think this period is the best due to the great production work and influence of jimmy miller: the stones never have had that groove and attitude like they had in those days. the band and miller himself were reaching their peak. what had followed is a consequence of this great chemistry they achieved.
I agree 1969 is probably the last good tour in terms of groove, before it became sloppy overkill from 1972 onwards. There are elements of the 1969 sound in 1970 of course, and 1971 also. I wish we could get some Stonesarhive releases from 1970/71.
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I do prefer 69 tour most of all: a fabolous jagger, great guitars and a great rhythmn section. I think this period is the best due to the great production work and influence of jimmy miller: the stones never have had that groove and attitude like they had in those days. the band and miller himself were reaching their peak. what had followed is a consequence of this great chemistry they achieved.
I agree 1969 is probably the last good tour in terms of groove, before it became sloppy overkill from 1972 onwards. There are elements of the 1969 sound in 1970 of course, and 1971 also. I wish we could get some Stonesarhive releases from 1970/71.
69: great
70: lazy
71: lazy and sloppy
72: Fantastic
73: Great, but occasionally lazy and sloppy
Sloppy overkill in 1972??? Which boots have you heard? The only sloppy one I've come across is the opening night in Vancouver. Still, I'd take that one over Leeds and the Marquee any day!
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I do prefer 69 tour most of all: a fabolous jagger, great guitars and a great rhythmn section. I think this period is the best due to the great production work and influence of jimmy miller: the stones never have had that groove and attitude like they had in those days. the band and miller himself were reaching their peak. what had followed is a consequence of this great chemistry they achieved.
I agree 1969 is probably the last good tour in terms of groove, before it became sloppy overkill from 1972 onwards. There are elements of the 1969 sound in 1970 of course, and 1971 also. I wish we could get some Stonesarhive releases from 1970/71.
69: great
70: lazy
71: lazy and sloppy
72: Fantastic
73: Great, but occasionally lazy and sloppy
Sloppy overkill in 1972??? Which boots have you heard? The only sloppy one I've come across is the opening night in Vancouver. Still, I'd take that one over Leeds and the Marquee any day!
Listen to JJF played in 1969 and 1970. There's a subtle groove to it. Now listen to it played in 1972 and every occasion since - it's always played too fast and sometimes to the point that they almost lose the riff at times. I'm not saying that later versions are dreadful, just that they never recaptured the groove of the earlier performances of JJF. The same goes for the later concerts in general - which I enjoy - but they don't quite have that 1969/1970 groove.
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I do prefer 69 tour most of all: a fabolous jagger, great guitars and a great rhythmn section. I think this period is the best due to the great production work and influence of jimmy miller: the stones never have had that groove and attitude like they had in those days. the band and miller himself were reaching their peak. what had followed is a consequence of this great chemistry they achieved.
I agree 1969 is probably the last good tour in terms of groove, before it became sloppy overkill from 1972 onwards. There are elements of the 1969 sound in 1970 of course, and 1971 also. I wish we could get some Stonesarhive releases from 1970/71.
69: great
70: lazy
71: lazy and sloppy
72: Fantastic
73: Great, but occasionally lazy and sloppy
Sloppy overkill in 1972??? Which boots have you heard? The only sloppy one I've come across is the opening night in Vancouver. Still, I'd take that one over Leeds and the Marquee any day!
Listen to JJF played in 1969 and 1970. There's a subtle groove to it. Now listen to it played in 1972 and every occasion since - it's always played too fast and sometimes to the point that they almost lose the riff at times. I'm not saying that later versions are dreadful, just that they never recaptured the groove of the earlier performances of JJF. The same goes for the later concerts in general - which I enjoy - but they don't quite have that 1969/1970 groove.
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Best live version of Devil is the Love you Live version. No discussion...
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liddas
Best live version of Devil is the Love you Live version. No discussion...
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liddas
Best live version of Devil is the Love you Live version. No discussion...
that's right, chris. liddas should be posting at bv's "don't tell me" forum...i go there a couple of times a day when i don't feel like discussing things...
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Love You Live version is horrible compared to Ya Yas.
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It scares me to see that kleermaker is making proselytes ...
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crumbling_mice
I have to take my hat off to His Majesty for sticking to his guns...despite a whole legion of us arguing for the various live versions of Sympathy, he is still here at the end standing firm on the studio version...well done Mr Majesty!
...of course you are still misguided and missing the magic of MSG 1969 - unbeatable imho.
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