Why didn't they release "Brussels Affair" YEARS AGO ???
(Sorry if this has already been covered... )

No advance notice.
No fanfare, no publicity, no hype.
Cheap price.
It's odd.

........'cause summer's here and the time is right...



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........'cause summer's here and the time is right...

up here summer's definitely not here

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Howdy man ... 22 but expecting rain ...



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Ive been wondering as well. One of the best live albums ever officially released.

I'd guess a deal with Google Music is the reason for...

No advance notice.
No fanfare, no publicity, no hype.
Cheap price

they wanted to launch with some big guns and a bigger bang.

sure worked out for us

Strange that no one on this board had any hint that this was coming...I always thought there were one or two here who had inside information so to speak. Of course it could be they wanted to surprise us and not spoil the impact, but it's got me thinking there actually isn't anybody on here in the know. Worrying with a possible tour coming up - we could do with some early warnings on likely venues!

That is funny, especially considering some here who have run off about what's coming, done deals and it's gonna happens...

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That is funny, especially considering some here who have run off about what's coming, done deals and it's gonna happens...

Exactly. Perhaps those who claim to be in the know might throw some light on this. Was it a huge industry secret known to only a few insiders?

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Strange that no one on this board had any hint that this was coming...

... or maybe those who know will never tell

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I was thinking the same thing as I was reading iorr on Thursday watching the whole thing unfold, it felt like "breaking news" on TV. Except this was happy news!

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crumbling_mice
Strange that no one on this board had any hint that this was coming...

... or maybe those who know will never tell

True, very true...but...what would be the point of being in the know if these people never tell? That would mean they are just keeping to themselves. Which. considering they are posting on a stones forum is a bit tight!

I really don't think anybody who posts on here saw this coming. There has been not even a hint, other than a few posters wishing the vaults would be opened. Don't get me wrong, it's all unbleievable news and long may it contimue, but I was just a little disappointed we didn't get a few early rumours.

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....but...what would be the point of being in the know if these people never tell?.....

What would be the point of telling, on a basically thankless board, especially if those "in the know" were told not to tell?

They just check out IORR what they must release or not...........simple as that

If they are ready with this ...they will come up with there 60's stuff "The After Math Sessions"

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especially if those "in the know" were told not to tell?

LOL Max, this makes me think you know more than you tell

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especially if those "in the know" were told not to tell?

LOL Max, this makes me think you know more than you tell

ooooohhhhhhh yes.....yes I do.......
My source of information... ? ? ?


I knew all along this Brussels Affair was coming, but I did not want
to be the one to tell people it would not have Flac files for people living
in the States, you know.... cuz they always kill messeneger...... shhhhhh

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Why didn't they release "Brussels Affair" YEARS AGO ???
(Sorry if this has already been covered... )

They wanted to release a live album in 1972, but DECCA made them unable to do so; as they weren't allowed to release live recordings of DECCA songs recorded live in 1970-1975
Which is why Jagger decided for them to record Brussels and London; to air on the radio.....so that the fans could hear them at their peak - allthough no record was allowed to be pressed.

And obviously this *deal* with DECCA has always stood in the way of them releasing 1970-1975 live recordings.

Therefor I wonder what makes it allowed all of a sudden in Nov 2011? Did they work out a deal with DECCA, so that DECCA earns on this Brussels download as well ? Or doesn't the same rules apply when it's a "download-record" and not an actual pressed album ?

If the later is the real reason....it explains why there won't be any CD release

If the first is the reason....then surely the deal could have been done years ago as well, but that RS didn't see any reason to open the vaults, as it hasn't been their policy while the band was still active.....which they aren't anymore

Or doesn't the same rules apply when it's a "download-record" and not an actual pressed album ?

If the later is the real reason....it explains why there won't be any CD release

That is good reasoning... and interesting... and I wonder if they are testing the waters with Brussles by just releasing it with no warning, giving no one any time or chance to do a legal injunction or whatever, trying to stop the release.

... and I wonder if they are testing the waters with Brussles by just releasing it with no warning, giving no one any time or chance to do a legal injunction or whatever, trying to stop the release.

hmmm; well I doubt that; as DECCA surely would sue them for a lot more than RS's actual income on the Brussels download; if RS broke a deal by releasing it online. Those 2 old rivals; RS and DECCA, don't let such things go untouched. After all; music-business is so directed twowards the internet/downloading dealing; that they notice every move being made through that market-channel

Yeah, you are probably correct. It will intereting to see what come next.

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doesn't same rules apply when it's a "download-record" and not an actual pressed album ?

That would be a logical explanation.



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same rules apply when it's a "download-record" and not an actual pressed album

That would be a logical explanation.

Yes, it sounds like there's a connection there

But impossible to be certain....unless there is a lawyer who's a specialist in musicbusiness on board...who also has access to DECCA and RS precise contracts, on IORR

The re-recording clause is long over with. The seven years in the Stones contract with Decca/ABKCO was standard. By the release of Love You Live, the Stones were allowed to release any new recording of an old song. They are now allowed to release anything recorded following the end of their ABCKO deal, including Brussels, Ladies and Gentlemen, etc. They just have to pay the publishing company, like anyone else, for the sixties material The publishing company then pays the writers their cut -- Jagger and Richards.

Anything record during the time of the ABKCOcontract (Hyde Park, the '69 tour, Rock and Roll ircus, anything in the 60's, even unreleased stuff, cannot be released by the Stones unless in concert with ABKCO. Conversely, ABKCO cannot put out anything previously unreleased without the permission of the Stones

I welcome the Brussels now but I think it should have come much earlier than now.

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And obviously this *deal* with DECCA has always stood in the way of them releasing 1970-1975 live recordings.

Therefor I wonder what makes it allowed all of a sudden in Nov 2011? Did they work out a deal with DECCA, so that DECCA earns on this Brussels download as well ? Or doesn't the same rules apply when it's a "download-record" and not an actual pressed album ?

If the later is the real reason....it explains why there won't be any CD release

If the first is the reason....then surely the deal could have been done years ago as well, but that RS didn't see any reason to open the vaults, as it hasn't been their policy while the band was still active.....which they aren't anymore

This is not so difficult to answer -the Stones couldn't release any re-recorded material that is owned by ABKCO until after 1976. After 1976, ABKCO simply receives the publishing owners fee per song released, per album sold.

With this deal with Google they probably made a deal with ABKCO -for every download ABKCO receives a certain percentage, or they received a lump song.

With studio tracks it was a much more difficult situation until the late 90's when the Stones and ABKCO seemed to have signed a peace treaty.

Mathijs

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Strange that no one on this board had any hint that this was coming...I always thought there were one or two here who had inside information so to speak. Of course it could be they wanted to surprise us and not spoil the impact, but it's got me thinking there actually isn't anybody on here in the know. Worrying with a possible tour coming up - we could do with some early warnings on likely venues!

Not so strange to me -it was a Google deal, and Google's decision was to go out with a bang, without any prenotion or something. The Stones probably didn't have anything to with it. They just send the master tapes of the gigs to Bob Clearmountain, and told him to clean it up. That's it -no overdub sessions, no studio's to be rented, no band meetings, nothing that people with connections could have known.

And why now? I guess because they never thought it was commercially viable to release these shows on CD. Now CD's are phasing out, it is commercially attractive to offer them as a download, and I guess Google has paid a large sum to the Stones for these five or six shows.

Mathijs

Why now? Well they'd done Ya Ya's so 73 would have been a bit early for another live album. Between then and now I think they've wanted to maintain the perception that they were a working, functioning band as distinct from a nostalgia act. (Oh, sure, they may have been a nostalgia act in reality for years but it's not how they wanted to see themselves.) The opening of the vaults that's happened over the last couple of years is a tacit nod to nostalgia act status and an admission that the tank is now empty.

(I have since read the legal explanations above so forget the first sentence.)



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and I guess Google has paid a large sum to the Stones for these five or six shows.

Mathijs

that was my first thought

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This is not so difficult to answer -the Stones couldn't release any re-recorded material that is owned by ABKCO until after 1976. After 1976, ABKCO simply receives the publishing owners fee per song released, per album sold.

With this deal with Google they probably made a deal with ABKCO -for every download ABKCO receives a certain percentage, or they received a lump song.

With studio tracks it was a much more difficult situation until the late 90's when the Stones and ABKCO seemed to have signed a peace treaty.

Thanks for getting the facts right, Mathijs.
I didn't know that it was the "release date" that was the important thing here - I thought it was the "recording date" that was the important factor.

....which also have made me always wonder if SFTD on Love You Live was credited to Paris 1976 on the artwork, instead of 1975, due to the 1970-1975 contract. But I was wrong all the time, I see.

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Strange that no one on this board had any hint that this was coming...I always thought there were one or two here who had inside information so to speak. Of course it could be they wanted to surprise us and not spoil the impact, but it's got me thinking there actually isn't anybody on here in the know. Worrying with a possible tour coming up - we could do with some early warnings on likely venues!

Not so strange to me -it was a Google deal, and Google's decision was to go out with a bang, without any prenotion or something. The Stones probably didn't have anything to with it. They just send the master tapes of the gigs to Bob Clearmountain, and told him to clean it up. That's it -no overdub sessions, no studio's to be rented, no band meetings, nothing that people with connections could have known.

And why now? I guess because they never thought it was commercially viable to release these shows on CD. Now CD's are phasing out, it is commercially attractive to offer them as a download, and I guess Google has paid a large sum to the Stones for these five or six shows.

Mathijs

your right here

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