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But both the Decca-rights and the RSR-rights are now in the hands of Universal aren't they? (and wouldn't that solve the problem?)
Not really. Universal is the exclusive distributor for ABKCO (pre-1971 so-called "DECCA rights" ) and RSR (1971 onwards) material, nothing else. Concerning the release of archive gems, Universal as a distributor simply does not have the final word if certain stuff gets released or not.
For pre-1971 stuff, both ABKCO (as the rightholder of the recorded material) and the Stones as performing artists have to give their ok,and this would surely count for CS Blues, the "lost" DECCA single. Consequently, if ABKCO wants to release CS Blues and the Stones say no = no release. Even if the Stones want to release CS Blues and ABKCO says no = no release. If both parties say yes = CS will be released and distributed through Universal.
For 1971 onwards stuff, it's a bit easier because the Stones themselves are rightholders of the recorded material and performing artists at the same time.
Didn't they leave Scarlett off of Exile because it was from the Goats Head Soup era? It wouldn't make any sense to put it on Sticky Fingers, then...Quote
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I guess that's where we finally get Scarlett and the Clapton version of Brown Sugar?
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OK just figured it out. Don't know what I was thinking thinking that.
Don't think think twice, it's all right
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ABKCO can release any songs from Sticky Fingers and the five or however many it is on Exile for any compilation because those songs were recorded during the Decca contract.
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OK just figured it out. Don't know what I was thinking thinking that.
Don't think think twice, it's all right
I was really thinking on that one.
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But both the Decca-rights and the RSR-rights are now in the hands of Universal aren't they? (and wouldn't that solve the problem?)
Not really. Universal is the exclusive distributor for ABKCO (pre-1971 so-called "DECCA rights" ) and RSR (1971 onwards) material, nothing else. Concerning the release of archive gems, Universal as a distributor simply does not have the final word if certain stuff gets released or not.
For pre-1971 stuff, both ABKCO (as the rightholder of the recorded material) and the Stones as performing artists have to give their ok,and this would surely count for CS Blues, the "lost" DECCA single. Consequently, if ABKCO wants to release CS Blues and the Stones say no = no release. Even if the Stones want to release CS Blues and ABKCO says no = no release. If both parties say yes = CS will be released and distributed through Universal.
For 1971 onwards stuff, it's a bit easier because the Stones themselves are rightholders of the recorded material and performing artists at the same time.
That can't be right - Jagger/Richards OKed that song that Klein sued that band over? What was it? Something symphony. All these commercials on TV with Stones songs? Jagger/Richards have nothing to do with that approval as far as I am aware.
ABKCO can release any songs from Sticky Fingers and the five or however many it is on Exile for any compilation because those songs were recorded during the Decca contract.
You left out one detail about Universal - they have distribution of not only the Rolling Stones Records catalogue, 1971-1991 but also the Virgin catalogue, 1993-2006.
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also, a deluxe ghs package with a heretofore unearthed live '73 show has just been announced. and, a sticky fingers deluxe edition, including a '71 show with wild horses and chymk has just been confirmed by the fellas.
That really is very good news!
more fabulous news forthcoming today from a very unreliable source.
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There is no "Virgin catalogue" - Virgin was just a distributor, just like Universal is a distributor now.
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also, a deluxe ghs package with a heretofore unearthed live '73 show has just been announced. and, a sticky fingers deluxe edition, including a '71 show with wild horses and chymk has just been confirmed by the fellas.
That really is very good news!
more fabulous news forthcoming today from a very unreliable source.
Tod, your are making us very curious ...
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also, a deluxe ghs package with a heretofore unearthed live '73 show has just been announced. and, a sticky fingers deluxe edition, including a '71 show with wild horses and chymk has just been confirmed by the fellas.
That really is very good news!
more fabulous news forthcoming today from a very unreliable source.
Tod, your are making us very curious ...
six words: deluxe love you live el mocambo
more words later
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also, a deluxe ghs package with a heretofore unearthed live '73 show has just been announced. and, a sticky fingers deluxe edition, including a '71 show with wild horses and chymk has just been confirmed by the fellas.
That really is very good news!
more fabulous news forthcoming today from a very unreliable source.
Tod, your are making us very curious ...
six words: deluxe love you live el mocambo
more words later
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Any chance for this one, in the near future, Tod ?
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Any chance for this one, in the near future, Tod ?
the greed and feeding frenzy are really something to behold.
what tour was it that they never really got it on until detroit? 69 or 72? if it was 69, then i'm afraid yer outta luck.
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Any chance for this one, in the near future, Tod ?
the greed and feeding frenzy are really something to behold.
what tour was it that they never really got it on until detroit? 69 or 72? if it was 69, then i'm afraid yer outta luck.
They didn't "get it on untill Detroit" in 1969
But Detroit 1972 is something else....none of the 2 shows are available on recording. According to Wyman; the best show(s) in 1972 took place there...and it was the first time ever they did Uptight/Satisfaction with Stevie and Wonderlove....so....please consider this one !
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OK just figured it out. Don't know what I was thinking thinking that.
Don't think think twice, it's all right
I was really thinking on that one.
So it's a triple now ?
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There is no "Virgin catalogue" - Virgin was just a distributor, just like Universal is a distributor now.
None of the Virgin albums say Rolling Stones Records on them.
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There is no "Virgin catalogue" - Virgin was just a distributor, just like Universal is a distributor now.
None of the Virgin albums say Rolling Stones Records on them.
Aaaaaah, come on, since 1971, the Stones control their recordings, if it's RSR or Promotone B.V. or whatever. EMI/CBS/Virgin and now Universal are limited-time only licensing deals for distribution purposes.
I've always read that they had to turn over half of Brown Sugar and Wild Horses to make up for @#$%& Blues. They owed Decca one more single, and two halves make a whole.Quote
DragonSky
Look in the liner notes of Sticky and Exile - anything that says ©1971 ABKCO Music or ©1972 ABKCO Music means they can use those songs - which is all of Fingers and part of Exile.
They only have used the two of them because they were singles. But if ABKCO Records wanted to use Can't You Hear Me Knocking for a car commercial...they could.
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By the way, So Young is not prev. unreleased.
Then how were Decca and ABKCO compensated for the lack of a final single? Or did the trick of coming up with @#$%& blues actually work?Quote
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ABKCO has made use of more than just those two songs. ABKCO released "Sway" and "Bitch" on SINGLES 1968-1971 and back in the mid-seventies included several songs from EXILE and STICKY FINGERS on a radio promo. What ABKCO can't do is reissue STICKY FINGERS despite their rights to the individual songs. It's probably simpler and more accurate to consider it a shared ownership between ABKCO and Promotone.
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What I found interesting is that when "Good Time Women" was finally released, PromoPub controlled the publishing despite that song being registered by ABKCO back in the early seventies. I don't think the Stones pulled a fast one, it is simply indicative of the better relationship they have with Jody Klein where much more give and take is possible on both sides.