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paulm
'81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
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paulm
After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.
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Depends on the show. They were wildly erratic in both years, brilliant some nights (Memphis '78 and Hampton '81), shambolic in others (Philly both years, Buffalo '81).
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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.
I thought Mick's singing had improved by 1981, though 1978 wasn't as bad as 1975-1976.
This is the best review of Mick Jagger`s singing in whole IORR forum history.Quote
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paulm
After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.
I thought Mick's singing had improved by 1981, though 1978 wasn't as bad as 1975-1976.
IMO This is a common misunderstanding about Micks singing in 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978 and 1981/1982. 1975 he sang great. His voice and style - everything - suited the songs perfect: IYCRM, SFTD, BS, YGM, SF, HTW and many more. 1976 he sang great on songs like Hot Stuff, Hey Negrita, HTW and more but not so great on BS and JJF and others - those had become warhorses already and never really returned from their perfect 1972 treatment.
1977 he sang everything perfect at the Mocambo. 1978 is something different. Totally different band, style, songs and playing and Mick is really trying to be a white punk guy here. He went back from being a camp afro american funky genderbending rocker transvestite cool - depending on song and year, 1975 or 1976 - to a white straight punk guy and three years later he is a sporty macho dude who growls and yells with a coke hoarse bossy gym voice. In 1981 nothing of 1975 is left anywhere at all. Not in the music nor the singing. The general misunderstanding is that Mick "growled" through 1975-1982. In 1975 he acts out IYCRM (singing "dont you know that it's rude to stare" to Keith), fully in control and on fire, he sings Wild horses, he teams up with the others for YGM, rocks the hell out of SF and some of his best singing can be heard on parts of the SFTDs of 1975. He seemed to drown in the guitars and congas after a while though. In 1976 he plays the hooker and the john in Hey Negrita, salutes drugs with his Glimmer twin in Hot Stuff and honky women in HTW.
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This is the best review of Mick Jagger`s singing in whole IORR forum history.
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paulm
After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.
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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.
I thought Mick's singing had improved by 1981, though 1978 wasn't as bad as 1975-1976.
IMO This is a common misunderstanding about Micks singing in 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978 and 1981/1982. 1975 he sang great. His voice and style - everything - suited the songs perfect: IYCRM, SFTD, BS, YGM, SF, HTW and many more. 1976 he sang great on songs like Hot Stuff, Hey Negrita, HTW and more but not so great on BS and JJF and others - those had become warhorses already and never really returned from their perfect 1972 treatment.
1977 he sang everything perfect at the Mocambo. 1978 is something different. Totally different band, style, songs and playing and Mick is really trying to be a white punk guy here. He went back from being a camp afro american funky genderbending rocker transvestite cool - depending on song and year, 1975 or 1976 - to a white straight punk guy and three years later he is a sporty macho dude who growls and yells with a coke hoarse bossy gym voice. In 1981 nothing of 1975 is left anywhere at all. Not in the music nor the singing. The general misunderstanding is that Mick "growled" through 1975-1982. In 1975 he acts out IYCRM (singing "dont you know that it's rude to stare" to Keith), fully in control and on fire, he sings Wild horses, he teams up with the others for YGM, rocks the hell out of SF and some of his best singing can be heard on parts of the SFTDs of 1975. He seemed to drown in the guitars and congas after a while though. In 1976 he plays the hooker and the john in Hey Negrita, salutes drugs with his Glimmer twin in Hot Stuff and honky women in HTW.
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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.
I thought Mick's singing had improved by 1981, though 1978 wasn't as bad as 1975-1976.
IMO This is a common misunderstanding about Micks singing in 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978 and 1981/1982. 1975 he sang great. His voice and style - everything - suited the songs perfect: IYCRM, SFTD, BS, YGM, SF, HTW and many more. 1976 he sang great on songs like Hot Stuff, Hey Negrita, HTW and more but not so great on BS and JJF and others - those had become warhorses already and never really returned from their perfect 1972 treatment.
1977 he sang everything perfect at the Mocambo. 1978 is something different. Totally different band, style, songs and playing and Mick is really trying to be a white punk guy here. He went back from being a camp afro american funky genderbending rocker transvestite cool - depending on song and year, 1975 or 1976 - to a white straight punk guy and three years later he is a sporty macho dude who growls and yells with a coke hoarse bossy gym voice. In 1981 nothing of 1975 is left anywhere at all. Not in the music nor the singing. The general misunderstanding is that Mick "growled" through 1975-1982. In 1975 he acts out IYCRM (singing "dont you know that it's rude to stare" to Keith), fully in control and on fire, he sings Wild horses, he teams up with the others for YGM, rocks the hell out of SF and some of his best singing can be heard on parts of the SFTDs of 1975. He seemed to drown in the guitars and congas after a while though. In 1976 he plays the hooker and the john in Hey Negrita, salutes drugs with his Glimmer twin in Hot Stuff and honky women in HTW.
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paulm
After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.
Yep, this is "amateur hour":
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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.
Yep, this is "amateur hour":
I hope you are not going to try and deny that 1978's version blows 1981 away. I really hope I don't have to read that.
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paulm
After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
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'81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
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paulm
After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
eh? Are you listening the same band as I am? There's alot you can say about these tours, but not that Wood was 'doing about nothing'.
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I'm trying to process your comment, Roll73...lil' confused by it...I'm thinking passive aggressive?Quote
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paulm
After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.
eh? Are you listening the same band as I am? There's alot you can say about these tours, but not that Wood was 'doing about nothing'.
Mathijs
Quite. Paul M - go and stand in the corner for the rest of class.
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DandelionPowderman
Yep, this is "amateur hour":
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Sipuncula
Where was the '78 version on Sucking in the '70s from?
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Yep, this is "amateur hour":
"Not bad for a bunch of old farts."
Where was the '78 version on Sucking in the '70s from? Ronnie's work on that one is definitely more coherent, although the rest of the band is on fire at Hampton '81. There's got to be a better sound quality source on the above video, (although I might be missing something, as I'm currently listening through a laptop speaker).