After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.

Love 1981

Couldn't have been more real excessive guitar driven rock n roll

I like the'78 stuff and really hope if they do a Deluxe Some Girls they can really go all out and not only add a disc (or preferably two) of outtakes, but a live CD too. The '78 KBFH stuff is pretty good.

(Hey I had a typo first and said add live "VD" too - now that wouldn't be so good LOL)

I could not disagree more... those are great Stones years with Ronnie. Bill is a killer on that 78-82 unit.

"You'll be studying history and you'll be down the gym. And I'll be down the pub, probably playing pool and drinking."

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'81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

HAHAHAAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHA... whew.... that was funny

Depends on the show. They were wildly erratic in both years, brilliant some nights (Memphis '78 and Hampton '81), shambolic in others (Philly both years, Buffalo '81).

78 ,81,89 90 ............ Comparing different shows to different years WHATEVER ......They were some of the best times of my life! If you don't play together again, Enjoy your retirement ! THANkS ENJOY LIFE YOU GUYS DESERVE IT!!!!

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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.

I thought Mick's singing had improved by 1981, though 1978 wasn't as bad as 1975-1976.

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Depends on the show. They were wildly erratic in both years, brilliant some nights (Memphis '78 and Hampton '81), shambolic in others (Philly both years, Buffalo '81).

I think I'm the only one on this board who likes the JFK '78 boot.
I wasn't there, but I've heard the stories.
Funny, I also love the July 23rd Anaheim show (which I was at and thought it was a little odd), but when I got the bootleg, it sounded great.

BWT, is the JFK '78 boot the only audio source?

I was at JFK: waited all night in the parking lot, nearly got crushed getting into the stadium, suffered through Foreigner (but enjoyed Tosh), waited patiently, and was disappointed by the Stones' 85 minutes short set. Jagger was hoarse, and the audience wasn't familiar with the week-old Some Girls material that took up about 45 minutes of their set.

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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.

I thought Mick's singing had improved by 1981, though 1978 wasn't as bad as 1975-1976.

IMO This is a common misunderstanding about Micks singing in 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978 and 1981/1982. 1975 he sang great. His voice and style - everything - suited the songs perfect: IYCRM, SFTD, BS, YGM, SF, HTW and many more. 1976 he sang great on songs like Hot Stuff, Hey Negrita, HTW and more but not so great on BS and JJF and others - those had become warhorses already and never really returned from their perfect 1972 treatment.
1977 he sang everything perfect at the Mocambo. 1978 is something different. Totally different band, style, songs and playing and Mick is really trying to be a white punk guy here. He went back from being a camp afro american funky genderbending rocker transvestite cool - depending on song and year, 1975 or 1976 - to a white straight punk guy and three years later he is a sporty macho dude who growls and yells with a coke hoarse bossy gym voice. In 1981 nothing of 1975 is left anywhere at all. Not in the music nor the singing. The general misunderstanding is that Mick "growled" through 1975-1982. In 1975 he acts out IYCRM (singing "dont you know that it's rude to stare" to Keith), fully in control and on fire, he sings Wild horses, he teams up with the others for YGM, rocks the hell out of SF and some of his best singing can be heard on parts of the SFTDs of 1975. He seemed to drown in the guitars and congas after a while though. In 1976 he plays the hooker and the john in Hey Negrita, salutes drugs with his Glimmer twin in Hot Stuff and honky women in HTW.

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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.

I thought Mick's singing had improved by 1981, though 1978 wasn't as bad as 1975-1976.

IMO This is a common misunderstanding about Micks singing in 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978 and 1981/1982. 1975 he sang great. His voice and style - everything - suited the songs perfect: IYCRM, SFTD, BS, YGM, SF, HTW and many more. 1976 he sang great on songs like Hot Stuff, Hey Negrita, HTW and more but not so great on BS and JJF and others - those had become warhorses already and never really returned from their perfect 1972 treatment.
1977 he sang everything perfect at the Mocambo. 1978 is something different. Totally different band, style, songs and playing and Mick is really trying to be a white punk guy here. He went back from being a camp afro american funky genderbending rocker transvestite cool - depending on song and year, 1975 or 1976 - to a white straight punk guy and three years later he is a sporty macho dude who growls and yells with a coke hoarse bossy gym voice. In 1981 nothing of 1975 is left anywhere at all. Not in the music nor the singing. The general misunderstanding is that Mick "growled" through 1975-1982. In 1975 he acts out IYCRM (singing "dont you know that it's rude to stare" to Keith), fully in control and on fire, he sings Wild horses, he teams up with the others for YGM, rocks the hell out of SF and some of his best singing can be heard on parts of the SFTDs of 1975. He seemed to drown in the guitars and congas after a while though. In 1976 he plays the hooker and the john in Hey Negrita, salutes drugs with his Glimmer twin in Hot Stuff and honky women in HTW.

This is the best review of Mick Jagger`s singing in whole IORR forum history.

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This is the best review of Mick Jagger`s singing in whole IORR forum history.

I second that! Respect...

wow thanks,

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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.

Yep, this is "amateur hour":

Thanks DandelionPowderman, nice pick

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DAMN!!!! SHAZZZAAAM!!!

HELL YEAH!!!!
sg+strat+tele....
add in that killer bass line and Charlie keeping time... x Jagger vocals
RollingFknStones RockandFknRoll

I am nonvocal antiWyman... Fk him, he quit....
BUT DAMN!!!! He is on fire playing bass in that one !!!! WOW!!!



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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.

I thought Mick's singing had improved by 1981, though 1978 wasn't as bad as 1975-1976.

IMO This is a common misunderstanding about Micks singing in 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978 and 1981/1982. 1975 he sang great. His voice and style - everything - suited the songs perfect: IYCRM, SFTD, BS, YGM, SF, HTW and many more. 1976 he sang great on songs like Hot Stuff, Hey Negrita, HTW and more but not so great on BS and JJF and others - those had become warhorses already and never really returned from their perfect 1972 treatment.
1977 he sang everything perfect at the Mocambo. 1978 is something different. Totally different band, style, songs and playing and Mick is really trying to be a white punk guy here. He went back from being a camp afro american funky genderbending rocker transvestite cool - depending on song and year, 1975 or 1976 - to a white straight punk guy and three years later he is a sporty macho dude who growls and yells with a coke hoarse bossy gym voice. In 1981 nothing of 1975 is left anywhere at all. Not in the music nor the singing. The general misunderstanding is that Mick "growled" through 1975-1982. In 1975 he acts out IYCRM (singing "dont you know that it's rude to stare" to Keith), fully in control and on fire, he sings Wild horses, he teams up with the others for YGM, rocks the hell out of SF and some of his best singing can be heard on parts of the SFTDs of 1975. He seemed to drown in the guitars and congas after a while though. In 1976 he plays the hooker and the john in Hey Negrita, salutes drugs with his Glimmer twin in Hot Stuff and honky women in HTW.

Very well said indeed!!!!!

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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.

I thought Mick's singing had improved by 1981, though 1978 wasn't as bad as 1975-1976.

IMO This is a common misunderstanding about Micks singing in 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978 and 1981/1982. 1975 he sang great. His voice and style - everything - suited the songs perfect: IYCRM, SFTD, BS, YGM, SF, HTW and many more. 1976 he sang great on songs like Hot Stuff, Hey Negrita, HTW and more but not so great on BS and JJF and others - those had become warhorses already and never really returned from their perfect 1972 treatment.
1977 he sang everything perfect at the Mocambo. 1978 is something different. Totally different band, style, songs and playing and Mick is really trying to be a white punk guy here. He went back from being a camp afro american funky genderbending rocker transvestite cool - depending on song and year, 1975 or 1976 - to a white straight punk guy and three years later he is a sporty macho dude who growls and yells with a coke hoarse bossy gym voice. In 1981 nothing of 1975 is left anywhere at all. Not in the music nor the singing. The general misunderstanding is that Mick "growled" through 1975-1982. In 1975 he acts out IYCRM (singing "dont you know that it's rude to stare" to Keith), fully in control and on fire, he sings Wild horses, he teams up with the others for YGM, rocks the hell out of SF and some of his best singing can be heard on parts of the SFTDs of 1975. He seemed to drown in the guitars and congas after a while though. In 1976 he plays the hooker and the john in Hey Negrita, salutes drugs with his Glimmer twin in Hot Stuff and honky women in HTW.

Mick Jagger's vocal deliveries of Angie and Wild Horses on the 75/76 tours are yet to be surpassed, imo. And that includes the early 70s version(s), too.











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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.

Yep, this is "amateur hour":

I hope you are not going to try and deny that 1978's version blows 1981 away. I really hope I don't have to read that.

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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

The Stones ALWAYS have a vibe, but man did it change. For the better? Not so much.

Yep, this is "amateur hour":

I hope you are not going to try and deny that 1978's version blows 1981 away. I really hope I don't have to read that.

Nothing can blow the version of Whip from Detroit 1978 away. But the rest of the versions from 1978 weren't better than the one from Hampton 1981, imo.

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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

eh? Are you listening the same band as I am? There's alot you can say about these tours, but not that Wood was 'doing about nothing'.

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'81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

Rubbish. Listen to Seattle or Dallas.

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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

eh? Are you listening the same band as I am? There's alot you can say about these tours, but not that Wood was 'doing about nothing'.

Mathijs

Quite. Paul M - go and stand in the corner for the rest of class.

Oh man,i love 78 tour,shows like washington,new york,myrtle beach were @#$%& exellent.

BUT nothing matches the groove Bill&Charlie created in 1981.For example just listen going to a go go from Cedar Falls,Charlie starts the groove,Bill comes in and everything just clicks like macig,Mick comes in a bit late,and it makes the song even better.

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After years of getting off on '69-'73, I went back listening to '78's thump compared to '81's sloppy amateur hour, complete with sidekick R. Wood doing just about nothing.

eh? Are you listening the same band as I am? There's alot you can say about these tours, but not that Wood was 'doing about nothing'.

Mathijs

Quite. Paul M - go and stand in the corner for the rest of class.

I'm trying to process your comment, Roll73...lil' confused by it...I'm thinking passive aggressive?



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81.

Trust me.

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Yep, this is "amateur hour":

"Not bad for a bunch of old farts."

Where was the '78 version on Sucking in the '70s from? Ronnie's work on that one is definitely more coherent, although the rest of the band is on fire at Hampton '81. There's got to be a better sound quality source on the above video, (although I might be missing something, as I'm currently listening through a laptop speaker).

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Where was the '78 version on Sucking in the '70s from?

Memphis.

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Yep, this is "amateur hour":

"Not bad for a bunch of old farts."

Where was the '78 version on Sucking in the '70s from? Ronnie's work on that one is definitely more coherent, although the rest of the band is on fire at Hampton '81. There's got to be a better sound quality source on the above video, (although I might be missing something, as I'm currently listening through a laptop speaker).

Detroit. It says Memphis on the bootleg, as far as I recall, but that's wrong.

I like the 1978 tour, but they were much, much more swingin' in 1981.



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