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It's Brian through a VOX AC30, with the treble boost engaged. And turned up way loud.
Mathijs
Yes I'm aware of that. My point is that it's not a song about a novelty dance (the twist, the locomotion, the watusi, the swim, etc). The left that sort of thing to pop groups & teen idols.
It's top boost and no.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-07-20 20:32 by His Majesty.
Actually, Lennon could sing it only once...that day at least. It was the last song recorded after a day of sessions where they recorded 11 songs in 10 hours for their first album. He was also suffering from a cold. A second take was attempted, but his voice was shot.
Yes I know that, but thanks anyway.
I doubt very much if he could've still sang like that at 30, let alone 60 or 70.
I did understand what you said.
I certainly wouldn't call 'My Girl' a novelty record of any kind though (& probably not 'Under The Boardwalk' either), it's a soul classic!
Whatever you call them, definitely two of the worst songs released by the Stones in the Brian era...
I love 'em both myself (the originals & the RS versions).
It's OK, but certainly not as good as the Dale Hawkins original (it's still far more convincing than The Beatles version of 'Carol' though!).
I agree. the song is stupid and corny an sich but it is the band that rapes it that makes the difference. Probably the roughest and rawast cut of piece made by any white musician by then. That's the punk, that the garage, that's anything you name with 'rock' with attitude you hear there. Even The Stones would never be so raw and sonically authentic ever since. A historical recording. I think it is widely under-rated, or referred solely as an oddity as The Stones making a "Lennon/McCartney-cover", and being their first 'hit' or something bland like that. Come you critics, music historians and all, listen to the damn track! It rocks like hell!
I still rate Brian's slide guitar the most effective quitar solo ever in the recorded history of the Stones with Keith's "Sympathy" solo.
- Doxa
Brian's slide solo burst the doors open in 1963, charting new paths for how rock guitar could be used. I'm sure guys like Ronnie Wood, Jeff Beck, Jimi Hendrix, Syd Barrett, Lou Reed, etc. took notice. A very underrated and underappreciated contribution from Brian, as you say, Doxa, most music critics mention the same old lame stories about John and Paul giving away this crappy-ass tune to ALO. If I had written something as crappy as I Wanna Be Your Man, I would want to give it away too! Leave it to Brian Jones to make something of it.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-07-21 16:56 by neptune.
I'd argue Twist and Shout is even 'more' classic, and certainly a better performance. They should never have recorded those 2 songs.
It's still about a novelty dance called "the twist", very big in 1960-1962, but definitely old hat by 1963-1964.
Maybe The Stones should've closed their first album with 'Let's Twist Again'.
Glad someone gets it at last!
If The Beatles hadn't recorded 'Twist & Shout' for their first album then it's very doubtful that they'd have recorded it for 'With The Beatles' or the 'Long Tall Sally' EP, as the twist was well & truly dead by then.
Of course, treble boost is what applies most to external 'top' boost gizmo's. Vox nomenclature...
And indeed, no.
Mathijs
The Vox top boost additional unit is quiet different to, say, a Rangemaster though
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Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: July 20, 2011 11:22
He He, no it's more like a song-title from Jagger/Richards than a dance...
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Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
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Mathijs
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Date: July 20, 2011 11:44
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Well, for starters, great electric slide work!
Anyone who says Brian Jones was overrated needs to listen to that solo. Still awesome nearly 50 years later. Incredible to think no one had played slide guitar like that in the UK before this.
I concur!
I have to confess I never thought the guitarsound on 'I wanna be your man' with Stones is from slide-guitar, sounds more like Brian had plugged in a small transistor-radio...
It's Brian through a VOX AC30, with the treble boost engaged. And turned up way loud.
Mathijs
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: July 20, 2011 11:52
...and with that treble boost engaged and turned up way loud, isn't that sounding like a slide-guitar even if you don't use a bottle-neck?
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Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: July 20, 2011 12:03
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Come On
He He, no it's more like a song-title from Jagger/Richards than a dance...
Yes I'm aware of that. My point is that it's not a song about a novelty dance (the twist, the locomotion, the watusi, the swim, etc). The left that sort of thing to pop groups & teen idols.
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: July 20, 2011 12:13
Hey Sleepy, are you a lucky owner of this album?
on the back of the sleeve it shows after every song what kind of dance-style each song represented. Kind of funny info imo. there a couple of slow-fox as I remember...
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on the back of the sleeve it shows after every song what kind of dance-style each song represented. Kind of funny info imo. there a couple of slow-fox as I remember...
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Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: July 20, 2011 20:29
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Come On
...and with that treble boost engaged and turned up way loud, isn't that sounding like a slide-guitar even if you don't use a bottle-neck?
It's top boost and no.
[www.voxshowroom.com]
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Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Jah Paul
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Date: July 21, 2011 01:12
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Sleepy City
Ronald Isley sounds like he could sing like that all night (& probably good), yet John Lennon sounds like he can sing that only once, despite taking it down from 'F' to 'D'...
Whatever, both versions are better than the original
Actually, Lennon could sing it only once...that day at least. It was the last song recorded after a day of sessions where they recorded 11 songs in 10 hours for their first album. He was also suffering from a cold. A second take was attempted, but his voice was shot.
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
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Sleepy City
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Date: July 21, 2011 11:21
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Ronald Isley sounds like he could sing like that all night (& probably good), yet John Lennon sounds like he can sing that only once, despite taking it down from 'F' to 'D'...
Whatever, both versions are better than the original
Actually, Lennon could sing it only once...that day at least. It was the last song recorded after a day of sessions where they recorded 11 songs in 10 hours for their first album. He was also suffering from a cold. A second take was attempted, but his voice was shot.
Yes I know that, but thanks anyway.
I doubt very much if he could've still sang like that at 30, let alone 60 or 70.
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: July 21, 2011 11:29
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But not too much taste to cut novelty records....ie, My Girl, Under The Boardwalk
I said novelty dance records...
Anyway, "The Twist" was soooo 1961.
I did understand what you said.
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: July 21, 2011 11:36
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But not too much taste to cut novelty records....ie, My Girl, Under The Boardwalk
I said novelty dance records...
Anyway, "The Twist" was soooo 1961.
I did understand what you said.
I certainly wouldn't call 'My Girl' a novelty record of any kind though (& probably not 'Under The Boardwalk' either), it's a soul classic!
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
rootsman
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Date: July 21, 2011 12:24
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Sleepy City
I certainly wouldn't call 'My Girl' a novelty record of any kind though (& probably not 'Under The Boardwalk' either), it's a soul classic!
Whatever you call them, definitely two of the worst songs released by the Stones in the Brian era...
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: July 21, 2011 12:26
Don't forget Suzie Q...quite uninspired work from the Stones...
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Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: July 21, 2011 12:34
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I certainly wouldn't call 'My Girl' a novelty record of any kind though (& probably not 'Under The Boardwalk' either), it's a soul classic!
Whatever you call them, definitely two of the worst songs released by the Stones in the Brian era...
I love 'em both myself (the originals & the RS versions).
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: July 21, 2011 12:35
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Come On
Don't forget Suzie Q...quite uninspired work from the Stones...
It's OK, but certainly not as good as the Dale Hawkins original (it's still far more convincing than The Beatles version of 'Carol' though!).
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: July 21, 2011 12:38
It's OK, but certainly not as good as the Dale Hawkins original (it's still far more convincing than The Beatles version of 'Carol' though!).
Ehrrr....yes...probably...
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Ehrrr....yes...probably...
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Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: July 21, 2011 15:21
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One of the most revolutionary rock songs ever. Slide guitar had never been used like that before.
As an actual song it isn't particularly good, but the brilliance is what they did with it of course.
I agree with you. It's the IDEA of using slide guitar like that coupled with a really fast-paced rhythm section that makes the song novel for its time. Otherwise, the song itself is kind of bland.
I agree. the song is stupid and corny an sich but it is the band that rapes it that makes the difference. Probably the roughest and rawast cut of piece made by any white musician by then. That's the punk, that the garage, that's anything you name with 'rock' with attitude you hear there. Even The Stones would never be so raw and sonically authentic ever since. A historical recording. I think it is widely under-rated, or referred solely as an oddity as The Stones making a "Lennon/McCartney-cover", and being their first 'hit' or something bland like that. Come you critics, music historians and all, listen to the damn track! It rocks like hell!
I still rate Brian's slide guitar the most effective quitar solo ever in the recorded history of the Stones with Keith's "Sympathy" solo.
- Doxa
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
neptune
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Date: July 21, 2011 16:52
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Doxa
I still rate Brian's slide guitar the most effective quitar solo ever in the recorded history of the Stones with Keith's "Sympathy" solo.
Brian's slide solo burst the doors open in 1963, charting new paths for how rock guitar could be used. I'm sure guys like Ronnie Wood, Jeff Beck, Jimi Hendrix, Syd Barrett, Lou Reed, etc. took notice. A very underrated and underappreciated contribution from Brian, as you say, Doxa, most music critics mention the same old lame stories about John and Paul giving away this crappy-ass tune to ALO. If I had written something as crappy as I Wanna Be Your Man, I would want to give it away too! Leave it to Brian Jones to make something of it.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-07-21 16:56 by neptune.
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: July 21, 2011 17:04
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Doxa
I still rate Brian's slide guitar the most effective quitar solo ever in the recorded history of the Stones with Keith's "Sympathy" solo.
Brian's slide solo burst the doors open in 1963, charting new paths for how rock guitar could be used. I'm sure guys like Ronnie Wood, Jeff Beck, Jimi Hendrix, Syd Barrett, Lou Reed, etc. took notice. A very underrated and underappreciated contribution from Brian, as you say, Doxa, most music critics mention the same old lame stories about John and Paul giving away this crappy-ass tune to ALO. If I had written something as crappy as I Wanna Be Your Man, I would want to give it away too! Leave it to Brian Jones to make something of it.
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: July 21, 2011 18:17
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But not too much taste to cut novelty records....ie, My Girl, Under The Boardwalk
I said novelty dance records...
Anyway, "The Twist" was soooo 1961.
I did understand what you said.
I certainly wouldn't call 'My Girl' a novelty record of any kind though (& probably not 'Under The Boardwalk' either), it's a soul classic!
I'd argue Twist and Shout is even 'more' classic, and certainly a better performance. They should never have recorded those 2 songs.
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: July 21, 2011 18:48
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treaclefingers
I'd argue Twist and Shout is even 'more' classic, and certainly a better performance. They should never have recorded those 2 songs.
It's still about a novelty dance called "the twist", very big in 1960-1962, but definitely old hat by 1963-1964.
Maybe The Stones should've closed their first album with 'Let's Twist Again'.
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Come On
()
Date: July 21, 2011 22:15
Ha Ha, NOW I see what you mean....nearly 50 ýears later I can enjoy it in another way, like some Presley soundtrack-song or something...
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Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: July 21, 2011 22:43
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Come On
Ha Ha, NOW I see what you mean....nearly 50 ýears later I can enjoy it in another way, like some Presley soundtrack-song or something...
Glad someone gets it at last!
If The Beatles hadn't recorded 'Twist & Shout' for their first album then it's very doubtful that they'd have recorded it for 'With The Beatles' or the 'Long Tall Sally' EP, as the twist was well & truly dead by then.
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: July 21, 2011 23:43
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Come On
...and with that treble boost engaged and turned up way loud, isn't that sounding like a slide-guitar even if you don't use a bottle-neck?
It's top boost and no.
[www.voxshowroom.com]
Of course, treble boost is what applies most to external 'top' boost gizmo's. Vox nomenclature...
And indeed, no.
Mathijs
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: July 22, 2011 00:03
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Mathijs
Of course, treble boost is what applies most to external 'top' boost gizmo's. Vox nomenclature...
Mathijs
The Vox top boost additional unit is quiet different to, say, a Rangemaster though
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
Cristiano Radtke
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Date: November 1, 2013 19:10
It was released 50 years ago today.
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: November 1, 2013 20:32
Probably the only Rolling Stones single with an extended solo by Brian.
Re: Track Talk: I Wanna Be Your Man
Posted by:
LQ1977
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Date: November 4, 2013 23:31
The Stones made a raw rocker with Brian on top slide form out of a rather dull Beatles original. Love this one!
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