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RobertJohnson
It is difficult to estimate. Brian Jones is regarded as the founder of the band, as a blues man, but there are no compositions, no guitar solos, no any other prolific material which is identifiable as Brian's. The most contributions are in line with what Keith said in this interview above. The live documents are sparse and there he's playing only rhyhthm without any ingenious characteristic in contrast e.g. to Ronnie's rhythm contributions.
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tonterapiWih three bios did you read?Quote
mickschix
Speaking for myself, I've had a hard time liking much about him, after reading three bios that delve into his psychosis, and his arrogance and just plain mean personality. It's tough to appreciate his talent when one forms such a negative opinion of him.
I don't buy the "plain mean personality". I think it's mean to judge a person that hard when he hasn't had any chance to defend himself. Charlie Watts once compared Brian's "cruel" side with the one of John Lennon and I think that's fair. Mick and Keith has got some of that nasty side too and the arrogance...well, both the Stones (except Charlie) and the Beatles (except Ringo) were full of that. If that's not enough look at the big heads on Dylan and Jim Morrison. It's a common thing among "stars". Brian was indeed a flawed person, but many people still liked him a lot despite his paranoid and insecure character.+1Quote
His Majesty
If musicians have to be nice for you to be able to appreciate them, you're a fan of the wrong band!
With the exception of Charlie and Mick Taylor(even they have had their own dubious moments), the rest of the stones are horrible, selfish people. Some of the things I've read you hating about Brian the others have done themselves.
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24FPS
Also, I still believe that Brian plays the lead solo on 'Time Is On My Side'.
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RobertJohnson
It is difficult to estimate. Brian Jones is regarded as the founder of the band, as a blues man, but there are no compositions, no guitar solos, no any other prolific material which is identifiable as Brian's...
How about these?:
Road Runner – lead guitar, probably harmonica
I Want To Be Loved (the B-side) – harmonica
I Wanna Be Your Man – lead (slide) guitar, harmony vocals
Stoned – harmonica
Mona (I Need You Baby) – lead (tremolo) guitar
I Just Want To Make Love To You - harmonica
Not Fade Away – harmonica
Now I´ve Got A Witness – harmonica
Good Times, Bad Times – harmonica
Cops And Robbers – harmonica
It´s All Over Now – rhythm/co-lead “power chords” guitar
I Can´t Be Satisfied – slide guitar
2120 South Michigan Avenue – harmonica
Confessin´ The Blues – rhythm/co-lead guitar (early “weaving”?)
Look What You´ve Done – harmonica
Down In The Bottom – slide guitar
Little Red Rooster – slide guitar
The Last Time – lead (riff) guitar
I´m Moving On – slide guitar
I´m Alright – lead (“Bo Diddley”) guitar
The Under Assistant… (1989 Singles Collection mix) – harmonica
One More Try - harmonica
Get Off Of My Cloud – lead guitar figure
Doncha Bother Me – slide guitar
Mother´s Little Helper – lead 12-string slide guitar
High And Dry – harmonica
Under My Thumb – marimbas
Lady Jane – dulcimer
Paint It Black – sitar, acoustic guitar
Yesterday´s Papers – vibraphone
Please Go Home – lead (“Bo Diddley”) guitar (unverified)
Ruby Tuesday – recorder, probably piano
Dandelion – soprano sax, probably harpsichord
We Love You – mellotron
She´s A Rainbow – mellotron
Gomper – electric dulcimer, recorder
2000 Light Years From Home – mellotron
Child Of The Moon – soprano sax
Street Fighting Man – sitar, tamboura
Jig-Saw Puzzle – mellotron
No Expectations – acoustic slide guitar
Still A Fool – slide guitar
For those who still don´t get it - it´s your loss...
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RobertJohnson
It is difficult to estimate. Brian Jones is regarded as the founder of the band, as a blues man, but there are no compositions, no guitar solos, no any other prolific material which is identifiable as Brian's. The most contributions are in line with what Keith said in this interview above. The live documents are sparse and there he's playing only rhyhthm without any ingenious characteristic in contrast e.g. to Ronnie's rhythm contributions.
Blasphemy! And you call yourself Robert Johnson? Brian introduced Keith to Robert Johnson! Ron Wood is not worth one of Brian's fingernails.
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stones78
"the author is not seeing the forest for the trees.for those who possess the ability to create something truly trancendant the hard work,the hours,the practice is all just part of the process. its a given,an afterthought."
Not at all, an afterthought? It is the hard work, the hours and the practice that makes "genius", people don't just suddenly wake up and become masters of their craft. Never happened.
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RobertJohnson
I do not say that Brians contributions are worthless, but your list confirms the statement of Keith that Brians efforts are colorings imo. Best wishes RJ.
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RobertJohnson
I do not say that Brians contributions are worthless, but your list confirms the statement of Keith that Brians efforts are colorings imo. Best wishes RJ.
So, Brian's slide on Little Red Rooster, I Can't Be Satisfied, No Expectations or harmonica on Look What You've Done are mere coloring?
The Jackson book is good because of all the quotes. She defend his behaviour too much but still manages to give some explanations for it. Together with Aftel's book it's an interesting read and give some balance to all the negative views on him. Brian wasn't just an a-hole as a person. There were reasons for his actions.Quote
mickschix
TONTERAPI, GOLDEN STONE by Laura Jackson is one of the 3 and I will find the other 2 but your challenging the fact that Brian was a mean bastard is like asking if a bear craps in the woods! REALLY? You never heard he was an abuser of ALL of his girlfriends? Then you are not well read on the Stones. And yes, I don't have to love a performer to appreciate his music BUT In this case, it has colored my impression of Brian. Do I love the specific contributions in ALL of those songs...of course, but that doesn't change my opinion of the man. More later...
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Also, I still believe that Brian plays the lead solo on 'Time Is On My Side'.
You're kidding, right?
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Until I see visual proof, or someone in the band clarify the matter, I'm going to stick with that position. As I stated previously this assertion is based on an interview with Keith during the '81 tour. I'd like to find the interview, obviously. And videos of the song are inconclusive as the camera cuts away in both known TV performances to show only Mick during the solo. It would not be out of character in 1964 for Brian to play a blues solo.
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Also, I still believe that Brian plays the lead solo on 'Time Is On My Side'.
You're kidding, right?
Mathijs
Until I see visual proof, or someone in the band clarify the matter, I'm going to stick with that position. As I stated previously this assertion is based on an interview with Keith during the '81 tour. I'd like to find the interview, obviously. And videos of the song are inconclusive as the camera cuts away in both known TV performances to show only Mick during the solo. It would not be out of character in 1964 for Brian to play a blues solo.
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Also, I still believe that Brian plays the lead solo on 'Time Is On My Side'.
You're kidding, right?
Mathijs
Until I see visual proof, or someone in the band clarify the matter, I'm going to stick with that position. As I stated previously this assertion is based on an interview with Keith during the '81 tour. I'd like to find the interview, obviously. And videos of the song are inconclusive as the camera cuts away in both known TV performances to show only Mick during the solo. It would not be out of character in 1964 for Brian to play a blues solo.
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mickschix
Ok, so the other 2 Brian books that I read are " Death of a Rolling Stone-The Brian Jones Story", by Mandy Aftel and " Straight FRom Ther Heart-THe Roling Stone Murder" by Gloria Shepard. I've also watched DVD's on his life and death. IT does seem that the consensus is that he had a terrible temper, was, as you said a very flawed man. As you can see, I have found him interesting; the reason I took the time to read about his life started not with the need to dig up the dirt on him but rather to understand this musician . If you love the music of the Stones as I always have..since I was ten, you want to see how such a guy evolved. Plus I love the blues and believe it or not, I loved his slide playing. How can you not appreciate his talent, however the more I read, the more disturbed I became over the contradictions in his personality. On one hand, he was the founder of the band, the one who at first helped form their unique sound. On the other hand, he seemed to not be able to handle the fame, the women, and the limitations that he recognized in his own abilities. Yes, he was stressed but I never was able to excuse his horrible behavior. He spun out of control and I had little sympathy because he was no longer likeable as a human being. I sided with Mick and Keith who must have been confliced about how to handle the situation. I think they made the right decision when they booted him out. The couldn't even tour if he'd remained in the band with all of his drug convictions. I think the drugs made it so much worse because he was reduced to a paranoid mess at the end. That's about all I have to say for now.
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mickschix
TONTERAPI, GOLDEN STONE by Laura Jackson is one of the 3 and I will find the other 2 but your challenging the fact that Brian was a mean bastard is like asking if a bear craps in the woods! REALLY? You never heard he was an abuser of ALL of his girlfriends? Then you are not well read on the Stones. And yes, I don't have to love a performer to appreciate his music BUT In this case, it has colored my impression of Brian. Do I love the specific contributions in ALL of those songs...of course, but that doesn't change my opinion of the man. More later...
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DandelionPowderman
Yeah, I really like No Expectations, but I like Love In Vain even more - the slide work, too. So Keith could have done NE by himself, imo.
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DandelionPowderman
Agree, Doxa (even though it feels like swearing in church saying it about Brian´s guitar track).
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Redhotcarpet
High tide green grass is one of the best album covers ever made. you watch that one guy who stands out, who is magnetic, even for a straight guy like me or Mick, Keith or Jim Morrisson, and that is the guy with the perfect hair, clothes, that look in his eyes and the broken hand.