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StonesTod
ummm....pop charts and what plays on the radio are now the standard by which we judge music? ummmm....ok. so noted.
That is the point. 45 years ago there was no disconnect between great music and popular music. The stuff that was popular was actually good.
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Glam Descendant
>45 years ago there was no disconnect between great music and popular music. The stuff that was popular was actually good.
The top-selling song of 1966 was "The Ballad Of The Green Berets".
Do you think that was actually good?
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Glam Descendant
>45 years ago there was no disconnect between great music and popular music. The stuff that was popular was actually good.
The top-selling song of 1966 was "The Ballad Of The Green Berets".
Do you think that was actually good?
..and the biggest selling single in the UK in 1965 (and still one of the top 10 biggest ever) was 'Tears' by Ken Dodd.
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Glam Descendant
>45 years ago there was no disconnect between great music and popular music. The stuff that was popular was actually good.
The top-selling song of 1966 was "The Ballad Of The Green Berets".
Do you think that was actually good?
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Glam Descendant
>45 years ago there was no disconnect between great music and popular music. The stuff that was popular was actually good.
The top-selling song of 1966 was "The Ballad Of The Green Berets".
Do you think that was actually good?
I never bought it, but it appeals to a certain audience. And as corny as it is, I'd actually prefer to listen to a song about duty and sacrifice than one in which the performer brags about how rich/sexy/bad they are, like a lot of modern music.
In fact, that song points out the diversity of popular music back then, when there was still crossover hits and Frank Sinatra was played back to back with The Troggs.
Perhaps it's better to say that good music was popular back then. Beatles, Motown, Beach Boys, Stax-Volt, the Kinks, the Who, and...what's their name? THE STONES!
Radio has been the enemy of quality for such a long time that it doesn't even compute with a lot of you that what is played on it could be good.
I always wonder why young people listen to the Stones. I'm sure they are drawn to the quality of the music, even though it precedes them, just as I might listen to Sinatra or Hank Williams.
But when you're a young person who's a little too interested in the old stuff, frankly I find it a little odd. It didn't make sense in the late 60's when I'd go to Disneyland as a kid, there would be these pale, tubby guys in their late teens or early 20's who were in little combos that would play Dixieland. Why were they so into their parents music?
Well, they were nerds.
At least if they were to argue that the new music then--in '69 or '71 was great, they would have a point.
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Stoneage
Well spoken, CBII. The bottom line is selling adverts. We have a pretty strong Public Service TV and radio here (in Sweden) so it's not as bad here as it seems to be in the USA - but close to.
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Glam Descendant
>And as corny as it is, I'd actually prefer to listen to a song about duty and sacrifice than one in which the performer brags about how rich/sexy/bad they are, like a lot of modern music.
a) you dodged the question re: the Green Berets song being "actually good"
b) your response exhibits a clear ignorance (or indifference if you prefer) to modern music; Rap is a very small slice of it, and what you describe is a decade-old characterization
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24FPS
You don't have to move with the times if they suck. As an 'older' fan am I supposed to listen to subpar musicians do weak versions of music made better almost 50 years ago? I recognize true talent, Jack White, Amy Winehouse, the Roots, and others, but they are few and far between.
You can catch new bands every night on the last five minutes of Conan, Leno, Letterman, Lopez & Kimmell in the U.S. Most of them have zero imagination. Yeah, it's 2011, so why are you imitating music from 1971, badly? Sure, there's some older fans who stopped at 1972 and never got past Neil Young's 'Harvest', Jethro Tull, or Exile on Main Street. And no, we don't sound like our grandparents. Our grandparents had a completely different music to listen to, on different instruments. Those of us who grew up in the 60s and 70s have had to watch a new generation fumble around with rock and roll because they don't have the imagination to invent a new sound, with new instruments. There are exceptions. I hear some electronic music from Europe, or someone like Deadmau5, that are novel and fun. Even Jack White delves into this kind of material.
When I hear a group with singers that can connect to people emotionally, I'll acknowledge it. Or instrumentalists who play at a high level. Am I supposed to like rap? A music that peaked with 'The Message' in 1982? Kids have been wearing their pants down around their knees with their underwear showing since at least 1994. Maybe the older generation is spoiled. You can break down the 60s, year by year, and see great leaps forward artistically. Styles of music changed, fashion changed. Hell, here in Hollywood I'm still seeing guys wearing bowling shirts and Buddy Holly glasses, and girls wearing Harlequin glasses. It's the same shit I saw them wear on Melrose Avenue 20 years ago.
If the younger generation wants the older generation to respect them, then create something to be respected for. Where are your artists? Not your video game creators. Where are your singers creating anthems for your generation? You pussed out during the Iraq War and didn't protest at all. You think we don't respect you because we're old and cranky. We don't respect you and your music because we think you're lame.
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skipstone
Just because someone thinks Kenny G is good does not mean he's good to me - or that he's good in general to someone that likes blues, rock'n'roll, hard rock, country music, whatever.
Just because some solo artist or band is new and has a record out and looks different or sounds "different" does not mean it's good - or bad. If one doesn't like it, that does not mean one is stagnant.
It means they don't like it. Shit is shit to the person that thinks so. It means nothing about when it came out. I used to think Bob Dylan was horrible - then one day something clicked. Now, I'm not saying I like his 1980s records, just that, in general, something changed for me. I dig his 1960s, 1970s and the last 3 records he's put out.
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Glam Descendant
>45 years ago there was no disconnect between great music and popular music. The stuff that was popular was actually good.
The top-selling song of 1966 was "The Ballad Of The Green Berets".
Do you think that was actually good?
I never bought it, but it appeals to a certain audience. And as corny as it is, I'd actually prefer to listen to a song about duty and sacrifice than one in which the performer brags about how rich/sexy/bad they are, like a lot of modern music.
Amen!!!
In fact, that song points out the diversity of popular music back then, when there was still crossover hits and Frank Sinatra was played back to back with The Troggs.
Perhaps it's better to say that good music was popular back then. Beatles, Motown, Beach Boys, Stax-Volt, the Kinks, the Who, and...what's their name? THE STONES!
Radio has been the enemy of quality for such a long time that it doesn't even compute with a lot of you that what is played on it could be good.
I always wonder why young people listen to the Stones. I'm sure they are drawn to the quality of the music, even though it precedes them, just as I might listen to Sinatra or Hank Williams.
But when you're a young person who's a little too interested in the old stuff, frankly I find it a little odd. It didn't make sense in the late 60's when I'd go to Disneyland as a kid, there would be these pale, tubby guys in their late teens or early 20's who were in little combos that would play Dixieland. Why were they so into their parents music?
Well, they were nerds.
At least if they were to argue that the new music then--in '69 or '71 was great, they would have a point.
Seems like every other country I've been to music of the past is still current and liked by a wide demographic. Here in the US, the corporate airwaves and television stations have been so tightly controlled with playlists, variety is no longer an option. The corporate brainwashing playlist crap is creeping into European markets and it's a real shame. It was nice to hear Chubby Checker then Metallica within a minute of each other. It's a shame how what some call progress is really code for compartmentalization.
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skipstone
Oh, OK.
Stones Fans are Sounding more like the Older Generation.
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organicjoe
The late Lester Bangs wrote of Goat Head Soup, “It’s The End Of Rock ‘n Roll!” I agreed to that statement more than I didn’t. So musically call me an old bastard.
I love running and the song that makes me kick ass with fists clinched is Street Fighting Man from Brussels Affair. By the time KR, MT, and CW are finished pounding away and MJ starts whooping my lungs are about ready to explode. I’ll probably stroke out to that tune. Top that tune then or nowadays for pure energy and endurance. I really don’t care if the Stones are unable to do that today.
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StonesTod
but it's true....peeps who say the new music ain't as good as the old music are just as full of it as the older generations who said the same thing when music was passing them by, too.