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CousinC
I often wondered, - did anyone hear from Newman-Jones again after the late 70's?
Still alive? What is he doing?
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skipstone
Supposedly, as I've read in a few places over the years, it started in Hawaii.
Read where?
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ChrisMOK, if it is a fact then please provide the details of this meeting. You have thus far not provided any substantiation to the claim you make here, which is in sharp contradiction to what myself and many others here know, or perhaps assume is a better word, to be true. Namely, that Keith was using the open G tuning before he met Newman-Jones and managed to get a great sound out of it. Please provide the source(s) for the statements you have touted as 'fact'Quote
Mainman
It is a fact that TNJ met up with Keith in 1969.
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skipstone
Supposedly, as I've read in a few places over the years, it started in Hawaii.
Read where?
There, I highlighted it for you. In various interviews with Keith yet alone guitar magazines that talk about that tuning. What, you think Keith Richards invented that? Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
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ChrisMOK, if it is a fact then please provide the details of this meeting. You have thus far not provided any substantiation to the claim you make here, which is in sharp contradiction to what myself and many others here know, or perhaps assume is a better word, to be true. Namely, that Keith was using the open G tuning before he met Newman-Jones and managed to get a great sound out of it. Please provide the source(s) for the statements you have touted as 'fact'Quote
Mainman
It is a fact that TNJ met up with Keith in 1969.
Page 159, paragraph 2 of David Dalton's "The Rolling Stones The First Twenty Years" has it in plain black and white.
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ChrisMOK, if it is a fact then please provide the details of this meeting. You have thus far not provided any substantiation to the claim you make here, which is in sharp contradiction to what myself and many others here know, or perhaps assume is a better word, to be true. Namely, that Keith was using the open G tuning before he met Newman-Jones and managed to get a great sound out of it. Please provide the source(s) for the statements you have touted as 'fact'Quote
Mainman
It is a fact that TNJ met up with Keith in 1969.
Page 159, paragraph 2 of David Dalton's "The Rolling Stones The First Twenty Years" has it in plain black and white.
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skipstone
I said "invented", not "imagined".
Big difference. Some people might be or are convinced that they think Keith invented open G 5 string tuning because they've imagined it.
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Mainman
Pity...you might learn something from it!
Better than all those expensive picture books!
Or perhaps the crackdown on incapacity benefits is starting to hit!
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rocker1
I happen to have that book. There's a rather lengthy article written by TNJ called "Guitar Maker By Appointment to the Rolling Stones" that does indeed start on page 159. Unlike many of the other articles that comprise the Dalton book, this particular article doesn't appear to have been published in any previous magazine or book. (There are other articles reprinted from Creem and Guitar Player, etc. as well as Saturday Review and Warhol's Interview, etc. This book is a worthwhile addition to your Stones library if you can pick it up used on the cheap. It's from 1981.)
Anyway, paragraph #2 of this article follows:
"While going to college I'd read an article in Eye magazine on the Stones written by someone called Stanley Booth. Later on I ended up in Memphis, selling clothes, and cashed a check for a man who turned out to be Stanley Booth. Told him I thought his article was great, etc. This eventually led to my meeting the Stones in '69 on tour, and spurred me to ultimately go to Europe in '71. Two hundred bucks round trip!"
The article continues, and it's clear his real involvement started here, with the '71 trip. I'm not sure there's a whole lot that happened at that '69 meeting. But these are TNJ's words.
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Amsterdamned
The genuine open G guitar is rather old indeed.
The open tuning came from the banjo: d-g-d-g-b-d.
There where more open tunings and even 5-string banjos and acoustic guitars,and the Lute,for a several 100 years ago already.
They were double stringed though.
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Koen
Doesn't TNJ also mention in that interview that he showed all these Stones' open G riffs on a banjo to a 'traditional' banjo player, and he was very impressed. It's a long time ago since I read it, so I could be wrong.
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Amsterdamned
The genuine open G guitar is rather old indeed.
The open tuning came from the banjo: d-g-d-g-b-d.
There where more open tunings and even 5-string banjos and acoustic guitars,and the Lute,for a several 100 years ago already.
They were double stringed though.
Not quite. The six string banjo is normally tuned to concert tuning, the same as a guitar: EADGBE.
The five string banjo, which has four melody strings and one drone string starting at the fifth fret, is since the 1830's tuned to GCGBD, GCGCD or Mountain Minor or Modal GDGCD. In bluegrass music since the '30's, where a fiddle is the main instrument, the banjo is tuned to G: GDGBD or open D: F#DF#AD. The four string banjo is called Tenor, and is tuned CGBD or DGBE, Chicago tuning.
The open G tuning is derived from Mexicans working in Hawaii. The Hawaiians developed various slack-key tunings, one of the them the six-string open G tuning called taro patch. Through this, the various open tunings worked his way up to the bluesmen in Chicago.
Richards took the open G from Ry Cooder, and to my knowledge was indeed the first to apply five string open G tuning to a guitar.
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straycatblues73
btw this is all very interresting , definately , but we are no further with naming more 5 string openg players.
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Mainman
I thought I was the only one here actually having a laugh until I heard wikipedia mentioned!
Now I discover that we have the blind leading the blind.
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rocker1
Anyway, paragraph #2 of this article follows:
"While going to college I'd read an article in Eye magazine on the Stones written by someone called Stanley Booth. Later on I ended up in Memphis, selling clothes, and cashed a check for a man who turned out to be Stanley Booth. Told him I thought his article was great, etc. This eventually led to my meeting the Stones in '69 on tour, and spurred me to ultimately go to Europe in '71. Two hundred bucks round trip!"
The article continues, and it's clear his real involvement started here, with the '71 trip. I'm not sure there's a whole lot that happened at that '69 meeting. But these are TNJ's words.
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gwen
Well probably TNJ meant that when he played 5-string open G on a native 5 string guitar with 5 poles pickups, it sounded better than on a 6 string guitar with the 6th string removed. It would fit with MainMan's pickup details and I think I remember reading about it.
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straycatblues73
when exactly did keith take of the sixth string for good ?
the 69 tour was played on 6 strings surely (HTW) ? but brown sugar etc with 5 during the same time at the Muscle Shoals Sound Studio ?
btw this is all very interresting , definately , but we are no further with naming more 5 string openg players.
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TheBoss918
I believe Page used it on "That's the Way"
On "Dancing Days" too...
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Mathijs
On the '69 tour he played five-string open G, the low E was removed. There's some pics from rehearsals at Steve Stills house of the Custom LP with five strings. From top of my mind at Hyde Park he still had the low E string.
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