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Marianne Faithfull joins Jagger penis debate

[www.independent.co.uk]

With all fairness, I think Marianne's comment is taken out of context - not originally here but from the article this article is constructed from. I think Marianne actually answers to the question if Keith's recollections over-all of her and of the scenes she was involved are accurate or not).

Anyway, thanks a @#$%&' lot, Keef! Happy now?

- Doxa

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I don't really think it's as simple as this, but as to who would yell taunts when Mick's on stage is like saying who would shout out requests for "Josephine" when Ronnie's on stage. It happened to Ronnie and could easily happen to Mick. Also Letterman et al will have a field day with it. Wouldn't be surprised if there are jokes after the Grammys.

The Stones have become fodder for cheap shots because of their age, this just adds another dimension for potshots. To Keith the crack was probably just a variation on "Dogshit in the Doorway" or jibes at knighthood being a paltry honor, but he's missed the point that it's more personal this time and Mick is too easy a target as a public figure.

I'm not saying it killed the tour, but I do think it was unwise and I doubt it just rolled off Mick's back. While I believe Jane Rose did a tremendous amount of good for Keith, having an executive Mick fired manage him could not possibly have helped relations between them and may not be the best at reining him in when he feels like shooting off his mouth.

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this is all very stupid.

I agree. We should have a moratorium on tour threads and todger threads....Oh wait,then we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

You don't think a guy named Keith Richards is not at all responsible to the bloody fact that Mick Jagger has a small penis being about the only thing that seems to interest the media as far as The Rolling Stones is concerned? I don't think it's our stupidity here at IORR that is the problem here. We just try to reflect what is going on. We are the last ones in a food chain, so to say.

- Doxa

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this is all very stupid.

I agree. We should have a moratorium on tour threads and todger threads....Oh wait,then we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

You don't think a guy named Keith Richards is not at all responsible to the bloody fact that Mick Jagger has a small penis being about the only thing that seems to interest the media as far as The Rolling Stones is concerned? I don't think it's our stupidity here at IORR that is the problem here. We just try to reflect what is going on. We are the last ones in a food chain, so to say.

- Doxa

I don't think it's the only thing the media is interested in. Yes,it makes for nice tabloid fodder and immediatley picked up on and posted here. But it's not quite the lead story on the nightly news every day.

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this is all very stupid.

I agree. We should have a moratorium on tour threads and todger threads....Oh wait,then we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

You don't think a guy named Keith Richards is not at all responsible to the bloody fact that Mick Jagger has a small penis being about the only thing that seems to interest the media as far as The Rolling Stones is concerned? I don't think it's our stupidity here at IORR that is the problem here. We just try to reflect what is going on. We are the last ones in a food chain, so to say.

- Doxa

I don't think it's the only thing the media is interested in. Yes,it makes for nice tabloid fodder and immediatley picked up on and posted here. But it's not quite the lead story on the nightly news every day.

but it seems like it's the lead story on this messageboard every day. therefore, yes, we are stupid. we keep talking about mick's penis. we keep psychoanalyzing mick and keith's relationship because of mick's penis. we have made this a bigger issue (no pun intended) than it is. we are thinking too much. for example, mick jagger solo at the grammys? that must mean he and keith aren't friends anymore! must be because of keith's book! blah blah blah. we are writing too much. we need to chill out. 10 years from now we will all look back at this time and realize how @#$%& stupid it all was and how much time we wasted talking about it and writing essays about it on this messageboard.

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this is all very stupid.

I agree. We should have a moratorium on tour threads and todger threads....Oh wait,then we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

You don't think a guy named Keith Richards is not at all responsible to the bloody fact that Mick Jagger has a small penis being about the only thing that seems to interest the media as far as The Rolling Stones is concerned? I don't think it's our stupidity here at IORR that is the problem here. We just try to reflect what is going on. We are the last ones in a food chain, so to say.

- Doxa

I don't think it's the only thing the media is interested in. Yes,it makes for nice tabloid fodder and immediatley picked up on and posted here. But it's not quite the lead story on the nightly news every day.

but it seems like it's the lead story on this messageboard every day. therefore, yes, we are stupid. we keep talking about mick's penis. we keep psychoanalyzing mick and keith's relationship because of mick's penis. we have made this a bigger issue (no pun intended) than it is. we are thinking too much. for example, mick jagger solo at the grammys? that must mean he and keith aren't friends anymore! must be because of keith's book! blah blah blah. we are writing too much. we need to chill out. 10 years from now we will all look back at this time and realize how @#$%& stupid it all was and how much time we wasted talking about it and writing essays about it on this messageboard.

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this is all very stupid.

I agree. We should have a moratorium on tour threads and todger threads....Oh wait,then we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

You don't think a guy named Keith Richards is not at all responsible to the bloody fact that Mick Jagger has a small penis being about the only thing that seems to interest the media as far as The Rolling Stones is concerned? I don't think it's our stupidity here at IORR that is the problem here. We just try to reflect what is going on. We are the last ones in a food chain, so to say.

- Doxa

I don't think it's the only thing the media is interested in. Yes,it makes for nice tabloid fodder and immediatley picked up on and posted here. But it's not quite the lead story on the nightly news every day.

but it seems like it's the lead story on this messageboard every day. therefore, yes, we are stupid. we keep talking about mick's penis. we keep psychoanalyzing mick and keith's relationship because of mick's penis. we have made this a bigger issue (no pun intended) than it is. we are thinking too much. for example, mick jagger solo at the grammys? that must mean he and keith aren't friends anymore! must be because of keith's book! blah blah blah. we are writing too much. we need to chill out. 10 years from now we will all look back at this time and realize how @#$%& stupid it all was and how much time we wasted talking about it and writing essays about it on this messageboard.

I can see your point but writing to message board is wasting time in any case unless you don't enjoy doing it. I don't spend any second here if I don't like it. It's fun, that's all. Topics come and topics go. Nothing more serious than that. You need to chill out.

- Doxa

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this is all very stupid.

I agree. We should have a moratorium on tour threads and todger threads....Oh wait,then we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

You don't think a guy named Keith Richards is not at all responsible to the bloody fact that Mick Jagger has a small penis being about the only thing that seems to interest the media as far as The Rolling Stones is concerned? I don't think it's our stupidity here at IORR that is the problem here. We just try to reflect what is going on. We are the last ones in a food chain, so to say.

- Doxa

I don't think it's the only thing the media is interested in. Yes,it makes for nice tabloid fodder and immediatley picked up on and posted here. But it's not quite the lead story on the nightly news every day.

but it seems like it's the lead story on this messageboard every day. therefore, yes, we are stupid. we keep talking about mick's penis. we keep psychoanalyzing mick and keith's relationship because of mick's penis. we have made this a bigger issue (no pun intended) than it is. we are thinking too much. for example, mick jagger solo at the grammys? that must mean he and keith aren't friends anymore! must be because of keith's book! blah blah blah. we are writing too much. we need to chill out. 10 years from now we will all look back at this time and realize how @#$%& stupid it all was and how much time we wasted talking about it and writing essays about it on this messageboard.

I can see your point but writing to message board is wasting time in any case unless you don't enjoy doing it. I don't spend any second here if I don't like it. It's fun, that's all. Topics come and topics go. Nothing more serious than that. You need to chill out.

- Doxa

or perhaps really does need that drink....

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this is all very stupid.

I agree. We should have a moratorium on tour threads and todger threads....Oh wait,then we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

You don't think a guy named Keith Richards is not at all responsible to the bloody fact that Mick Jagger has a small penis being about the only thing that seems to interest the media as far as The Rolling Stones is concerned? I don't think it's our stupidity here at IORR that is the problem here. We just try to reflect what is going on. We are the last ones in a food chain, so to say.

- Doxa

I don't think it's the only thing the media is interested in. Yes,it makes for nice tabloid fodder and immediatley picked up on and posted here. But it's not quite the lead story on the nightly news every day.

but it seems like it's the lead story on this messageboard every day. therefore, yes, we are stupid. we keep talking about mick's penis. we keep psychoanalyzing mick and keith's relationship because of mick's penis. we have made this a bigger issue (no pun intended) than it is. we are thinking too much. for example, mick jagger solo at the grammys? that must mean he and keith aren't friends anymore! must be because of keith's book! blah blah blah. we are writing too much. we need to chill out. 10 years from now we will all look back at this time and realize how @#$%& stupid it all was and how much time we wasted talking about it and writing essays about it on this messageboard.

I can see your point but writing to message board is wasting time in any case unless you don't enjoy doing it. I don't spend any second here if I don't like it. It's fun, that's all. Topics come and topics go. Nothing more serious than that. You need to chill out.

- Doxa

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this is all very stupid.

I agree. We should have a moratorium on tour threads and todger threads....Oh wait,then we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

You don't think a guy named Keith Richards is not at all responsible to the bloody fact that Mick Jagger has a small penis being about the only thing that seems to interest the media as far as The Rolling Stones is concerned? I don't think it's our stupidity here at IORR that is the problem here. We just try to reflect what is going on. We are the last ones in a food chain, so to say.

- Doxa

I don't think it's the only thing the media is interested in. Yes,it makes for nice tabloid fodder and immediatley picked up on and posted here. But it's not quite the lead story on the nightly news every day.

but it seems like it's the lead story on this messageboard every day. therefore, yes, we are stupid. we keep talking about mick's penis. we keep psychoanalyzing mick and keith's relationship because of mick's penis. we have made this a bigger issue (no pun intended) than it is. we are thinking too much. for example, mick jagger solo at the grammys? that must mean he and keith aren't friends anymore! must be because of keith's book! blah blah blah. we are writing too much. we need to chill out. 10 years from now we will all look back at this time and realize how @#$%& stupid it all was and how much time we wasted talking about it and writing essays about it on this messageboard.

I can see your point but writing to message board is wasting time in any case unless you don't enjoy doing it. I don't spend any second here if I don't like it. It's fun, that's all. Topics come and topics go. Nothing more serious than that. You need to chill out.

- Doxa

We're all just chilling out and having fun Doxa. Nobody's curing cancer on here.

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Marianne Faithfull joins Jagger penis debate
[www.independent.co.uk]
Marianne Faithfull says rumours of Sir Mick Jagger having a small penis are "nearly" true.
The Rolling Stones frontman has been plagued by claims he has a less than impressive manhood - with bandmate Keith Richards recently saying his ex-girlfriend Marianne had "no fun with his tiny todger" - and now the 64-year-old actress has voiced her opinion on the matter.
When asked if Keith's comments were accurate, Marianne - who dated the singer from 1966 to 1970 - said: "Not quite, but nearly."
Yesterday it was claimed the band's latest tour was in jeopardy as Mick is still angry with Keith' comments in his autobiography 'Life' and a subsequent interview.
A source said: "Mick read Keith's book before publication and didn't have any great problem with it.
"It was the fact that it was all dredged up in the interview afterwards that really upset him. Many believe this is the real reason why talks in relation to the tour have broken down."
Although Marianne seemed reasonably satisfied with Mick as a lover, one issue she isn't happy with is the credit she has been given in helping make the band a success.
She believes she deserves more recognition and money for her inspirational input and claims 'Satisfaction' singer Mick has a problem with sharing.
When asked if the 67-year-old rocker was selfish by Classic Rock magazine, Marianne said: "No comment. But it would be unrealistic to expect him to share. He isn't like that."

More about this here [www.iorr.org]


Come on, this topic has been discussed in British press for 4 months already. No matter how much Mick's skin is thick, it's hard not to pay attention to it. I don't know what the reasons for Stones not touring in 2011 but I feel very uncomfortable with this situation. I mean there is no much choices for Mick - it doesn't matter what he'd do, he would look ridiculious anyway.
What a beautiful revenge on Keith's part!

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maybe it´s Keith´s way of making an end, or of telling Mick that he does not want anymore. If it is the end, he can blame it all on Mick.

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maybe it´s Keith´s way of making an end, or of telling Mick that he does not want anymore. If it is the end, he can blame it all on Mick.

This is a very interesting observation. Have to admit it has crossed my mind that maybe Keith is looking for a way out because he can no longer perform at an acceptable level. By hurling insults at Mick he forces Mick to shut things down while the real reason is that he can no longer get the job done and is to proud to admit that he just can't play anymore. Mick ends up getting the blame because he is perceived as too thin skinned or something along those lines while Keith is spared the embarrassment of causing the break up of the band because he can't perform anymore? Anything is possible.

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maybe it´s Keith´s way of making an end, or of telling Mick that he does not want anymore. If it is the end, he can blame it all on Mick.

This is a very interesting observation. Have to admit it has crossed my mind that maybe Keith is looking for a way out because he can no longer perform at an acceptable level. By hurling insults at Mick he forces Mick to shut things down while the real reason is that he can no longer get the job done and is to proud to admit that he just can't play anymore. Mick ends up getting the blame because he is perceived as too thin skinned or something along those lines while Keith is spared the embarrassment of causing the break up of the band because he can't perform anymore? Anything is possible.

I've been thinking about it too. Like you said anything is possible

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I think its all for publicity. I think their closer than brothers and who knows, Mick may have told him to print it!
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No, I don't think so.

Not after all these two have been through.
I thought Keith was quite complimentary in the interviews, on the whole.

If Mick read the book beforehand (pre-read, Doxa, same deal), he
knew everything, and if he was going to be upset, most likely
would have shown it then. He knew the book would be
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London, 1968.

Anita Pallenberg: (banging on bathroom door) "Keith! C'mon, unlock the door! I'm so sorry."

Keith Richards: (inside the bathroom, sobbing) "Leave me alone, I hate you!"

Anita: "Please come back to bed, honey. Let's talk about this."

Keith: "I can't believe it, of all people, you were with HIM?"

Anita: "I told you, I'm an actress - I was only acting".

Keith: "Ha! That's not what I heard! They say you kept going even after the scene ended!"

Anita: "We just missed the cue, that's all - I swear! C'mon sweetie, it's you I love, not HIM".

Keith: (opening the door a crack) "It's just that I love you and it hurts so much."

Anita: "I know, baby, but it's you I love. Only you. I never really loved Brian, and I hate Mick."

Keith: (opening the bathroom door, wiping tears away) "Really? You're just saying that".

Anita: (her arms around Keith) "Really. Mick isn't that great anyway. You're much better."

Keith: (regaining some composure) "Really, I'm better?"

Anita: (stroking Keith's hair) "You are sooo much better."

Keith: "Tell me again".

Anita: "A matter of fact, you're even bigger than him. He's really quite small."

Keith: (with swagger) "Ha! Is that right? I had a feeling. Yeah, that makes sense. Ha!"

Anita: " Yeah, no fun. None at all. Really. No fun at all."

Keith: (muttering to himself) "Yeah, I knew it. I'm the one...."

Anita: "Ok, do you feel better now? I'm tired and we have a long day on the set tomorrow."

Keith: "Yeah, I guess so. I'm sorry. It's just that-"

Anita: "I know, just put it out of you're mind"

Keith: "You're telling the truth, right?"

Anita: "Of course, Keith. Would I lie to you?"

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London, 1968.

Anita Pallenberg: (banging on bathroom door) "Keith! C'mon, unlock the door! I'm so sorry."

Keith Richards: (inside the bathroom, sobbing) "Leave me alone, I hate you!"

Anita: "Please come back to bed, honey. Let's talk about this."

Keith: "I can't believe it, of all people, you were with HIM?"

Anita: "I told you, I'm an actress - I was only acting".

Keith: "Ha! That's not what I heard! They say you kept going even after the scene ended!"

Anita: "We just missed the cue, that's all - I swear! C'mon sweetie, it's you I love, not HIM".

Keith: (opening the door a crack) "It's just that I love you and it hurts so much."

Anita: "I know, baby, but it's you I love. Only you. I never really loved Brian, and I hate Mick."

Keith: (opening the bathroom door, wiping tears away) "Really? You're just saying that".

Anita: (her arms around Keith) "Really. Mick isn't that great anyway. You're much better."

Keith: (regaining some composure) "Really, I'm better?"

Anita: (stroking Keith's hair) "You are sooo much better."

Keith: "Tell me again".

Anita: "A matter of fact, you're even bigger than him. He's really quite small."

Keith: (with swagger) "Ha! Is that right? I had a feeling. Yeah, that makes sense. Ha!"

Anita: " Yeah, no fun. None at all. Really. No fun at all."

Keith: (muttering to himself) "Yeah, I knew it. I'm the one...."

Anita: "Ok, do you feel better now? I'm tired and we have a long day on the set tomorrow."

Keith: "Yeah, I guess so. I'm sorry. It's just that-"

Anita: "I know, just put it out of you're mind"

Keith: "You're telling the truth, right?"

Anita: "Of course, Keith. Would I lie to you?"

Brilliant!

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I was thinking about this: Maybe Keith's personality has changed due to to the brain-injury or the big amount of drug-taking through the years? It looks as he's gotten meaner.