Was strange to see Contador sliding down on his seat all the time. That must have been annoying for him and a bad seating for him all the time needing to push his butt back.

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The difference is exactly 39 seconds, the time Contador won because of the chain incident!!! So IF ... they would have ended equally...

Yes,that was my question. What would happen if they started or ended equally tomorrow ?

Are there rules or gentleman agreements?

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What would happen if both Schleck and Contador start or end equal in Paris?
Is there a rule for that?

Well, you know that the Tour de France was born in 1903.
So at this time they've decided a rule if there are two guys with the same time :

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What would happen if both Schleck and Contador start or end equal in Paris?
Is there a rule for that?

Well, you know that the Tour de France was born in 1903.
So at this time they've decided a rule if there are two guys with the same time :

Great. Thanks.

Just checked the official rules of the TdF :

- the 1/100 sec. from the races against time, like today (and the first day), are added to each total time of both runners.
And if they're again both "in yellow" after that :
- all the ranks of each day are added (1 + 2 +35 +...)
And finally :
- the rank of the final day on the Champs Elysées in Paris.

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Just checked the official rules of the TdF :

- the 1/100 sec. from the races against time, like today (and the first day), are added to each total time of both runners.
And if they're again both "in yellow" after that :
- all the ranks of each day are added (1 + 2 +35 +...)
And finally :
- the rank of the final day on the Champs Elysées in Paris.

Thanks arizojp.

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Just checked the official rules of the TdF

Thank you arizojp, I never knew this and actually I never thought about it. Now I know, thanks.

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Thank you arizojp. Here the same as at Rolling Hansie's: never knew that. But I hope to see those rules to be applied one day.

The shortest flat stage for more than twenty years

The last stage of Le Tour, with its prestigious finish on the Champs-Élysées, will also be the year’s shortest, with only 102.5 kilometres on the counter. Sometimes, stages have been shorter due to restrictions imposed by adverse weather conditions, but in normal racing conditions you have to go back to 1989, to the stage between Bourg d’Oisans and Villard-de-Lans, to find a shorter one. It was only 91.5 kilometres long and was won by Laurent Fignon. He thought that the fifty seconds lead he held over Greg LeMond would be sufficient for victory in Paris, but in the end, he lost by only eight seconds.





Paris Champs-Élysées



• Traditional finish of the Tour de France
• Population: 2,200 000
• Capital of France
• Capital of the Ile-de-France Region – City – County of Seine (75)

For the last 35 years the most beautiful avenue in the world has provided the Tour de France with a gem of a location for its grand finale. Walter Godefroot was the first to win on the Champs, since followed by all of cycling’s greatest sprinters, and some phenomenal hard-hitters. Indeed, only a hard-hitter like Bernard Hinault could prevent the final home stretch from being a sprint finish.

Paris loves cycling and is delighted to welcome to its unique setting, like every year for more than a century, the breath-taking sprint of the Tour de France’s heroes. What better a sight is there than this Homeric battle of a finish that snakes for several kilometres through the streets of the French capital’s centre and the exceptional avenue of the Champs-Elysées? This carnival of sport that brings together Parisians and many tourists enables us to celebrate cycling in its full diversity. It brings to mind another popular and audacious great adventure, the Vélib bicycle service, which is now celebrating its third anniversary. It now accounts for 71 million journeys and exists in 30 of Paris’ neighbouring municipalities. Today, it is possible to use almost 600 km of cycling tracks. It is therefore with great pleasure that Paris offers its streets to bicycle-lovers and especially to the athletes of the Tour who delight us year upon year and who, from the Yellow Jersey winner to the wooden spoon holder in the final standings, all deserve to be lauded with the same praise.

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The battle for the yellow jersey was decided yesterday. Contador will win Le Tour de France.
No way that he will loose his advantage during the last stage. Only an accident can keep him away from the victory.

The battle for the green jersey though ain't over yet.

1.PETACCHI Alessandro: 213 pts
2.HUSHOVD Thor: 203 pts
3.CAVENDISH Mark: 197 pts

All three of them still have the chance to win the green jersey, depending on which place they will finish today, and how many points they will get during the two intermediate sprints.
I haven't found out how many points exactly they can win today. Maybe arizojp can help again ?

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Found it. The points for today.

At the finish line:
35 Points for the winner, then 30 - 26 - 24 - 22 - 20 - 19 - 18 - 17 - 16 - ... - 1

Intermediate sprints:
6 - 4 - 2

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Congratulations to Cavendish for winning the final stage.
Congratulations to Contador for winning the Tour de France.
Congratulations to Petacchie for winning the green jersey.
Thanks to all those riders for again giving me a great three weeks.

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Congratulations to Cavendish for winning the final stage.
Congratulations to Contador for winning the Tour de France.
Congratulations to Petacchie for winning the green jersey.
Thanks to all those riders for again giving me a great three weeks.

And thanks to you Hansie for your information and fine posts here and for keeping this thread rolling. Of course also thanks to the other posters here. This thread made the Tour much more interesting to me. Thanks to all.

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And thanks to you Hansie for your information and fine posts here and for keeping this thread rolling. Of course also thanks to the other posters here. This thread made the Tour much more interesting to me. Thanks to all.

You're welcome

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Congratulations to Cavendish for winning the final stage.
Congratulations to Contador for winning the Tour de France.
Congratulations to Petacchie for winning the green jersey.
Thanks to all those riders for again giving me a great three weeks.

And thanks to you Hansie for your information and fine posts here and for keeping this thread rolling. Of course also thanks to the other posters here. This thread made the Tour much more interesting to me. Thanks to all.

I echo the same sentiments .... especially Thank you Hansie

Oh come on guys, you make me blush

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Question: Who do you consider the best cyclist of all times?

My answer: The Cannibal, Eddy Merckx from Belgium.

That's the only correct answer, as any true cycling fan will agree.

Now, a more interesting question would be: who is the second best cyclist of all time?

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Question: Who do you consider the best cyclist of all times?

My answer: The Cannibal, Eddy Merckx from Belgium.

That's the only correct answer, as any true cycling fan will agree.

Now, a more interesting question would be: who is the second best cyclist of all time?

More interesting perhaps but certainly more difficult. My vote goes to Bernard Hinault, nickname: The Badger, in French: Le Blaireau.

Second? Hinault,beyond any doubt.

Who's the third best? That's a difficult one...

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Second? Hinault,beyond any doubt.

Who's the third best? That's a difficult one...

Ex aequo: Jacques Anquetil (Fr), Miguel Indurain (Sp) and Lance Armstrong (USA).

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Second? Hinault,beyond any doubt.

Who's the third best? That's a difficult one...

Ex aequo: Jacques Anquetil (Fr), Miguel Indurain (Sp) and Lance Armstrong (USA).

Three different generations..Anquetil gets my vote.

Btw It was Merckx (?) who said: "Lance is a great cyclist,but he does't belong to the absolute top...
They won everything".

According to Daniel Marszalec:


1 Eddy Merckx (Bel) 1965-78 5844,80
2 Bernard Hinault (Fra) 1975-86 3312,80
3 Seán Kelly (Irl) 1977-94 3074,90
4 Jacques Anquetil (Fra) 1953-69 2937,80
5 Francesco Moser (Ita) 1973-88 2880,85
6 Gino Bartali (Ita) 1935-54 2860,15
7 Felice Gimondi (Ita) 1965-78 2625,55
8 Joop Zoetemelk (Ned) 1970-87 2518,45
9 Fausto Coppi (Ita) 1939-59 2510,05
10 Roger De Vlaeminck (Bel) 1969-87 2497,05
11 Rik Van Looy (Bel) 1953-70 2277,05
12 Raymond Poulidor (Fra) 1960-77 2215,50
13 Miguel Indurain (Spa) 1984-96 2183,00
14 Laurent Jalabert (Fra) 1989-02 2173,30
15 Lance Armstrong (USA) 1992- 2090,70
16 Tony Rominger (Swi) 1986-97 2087,50
17 Alfredo Binda (Ita) 1923-36 2049,40
18 Louison Bobet (Fra) 1947-61 1925,00
19 Giuseppe Saronni (Ita) 1977-90 1920,90
20 Ferdi Kübler (Swi) 1940-57 1812,10
21 Freddy Maertens (Bel) 1972-87 1800,10
22 Jan Ullrich (Ger) 1994-06 1584,50
23 (27) Erik Zabel (Ger) 1993-07 1561,90
24 Herman Van Springel (Bel) 1965-81 1544,70
25 Alex Zülle (Swi) 1991-04 1525,75
26 Greg LeMond (Usa) 1981-94 1523,95
27 Fiorenzo Magni (Ita) 1941-56 1511,65
28 Laurent Fignon (Fra) 1982-93 1439,45
29 Costante Girardengo (Ita) 1912-36 1437,60
30 Nicolas Frantz (Lux) 1922-34 1410,55
31 Luis Ocaña (Spa) 1968-77 1397,45
32 Franco Bitossi (Ita) 1961-78 1378,00
33 Pedro Delgado (Spa) 1982-94 1365,65
34 Jan Janssen (Ned) 1962-72 1365,50
35 (45) Paolo Bettini (Ita) 1997-07 1349,30
36 Claudio Chiappucci (Ita) 1985-99 1335,30
37 Johan Museeuw (Bel) 1988-04 1316,00
38 Hugo Koblet (Swi) 1946-58 1311,15
39 Lucien Van Impe (Bel) 1969-87 1307,40
40 Learco Guerra (Ita) 1928-41 1299,70
41 Walter Godefroot (Bel) 1965-79 1291,95
42 Gianni Bugno (Ita) 1985-98 1291,75
43 Hennie Kuiper (Ned) 1973-88 1246,10
44 Rik Van Steenbergen (Bel) 1943-66 1241,80
45 (60) Davide Rebellin (Ita) 1992-04 1230,60
46 Antonin Magne (Fra) 1926-41 1228,30
47 Stan Ockers (Bel) 1941-56 1218,45
48 François Faber (Lux) 1906-14 1203,50
49 Gustave Garrigou (Fra) 1907-14 1202,95
50 Stephen Roche (Irl) 1981-93 1190,20
51 Marino Lejarreta (Spa) 1979-92 1185,60
52 Mario Cipollini (Ita) 1989-05 1184,10
53 Vittorio Adorni (Ita) 1961-70 1163,65
54 Jan Raas (Ned) 1975-85 1149,50
55 Charly Gaul (Lux) 1953-65 1140,35
56 Bernard Thévenet (Fra) 1970-81 1121,75
57 Moreno Argentin (Ita) 1980-94 1118,20
58 Michele Bartoli (Ita) 1992-04 1076,25
59 André Leducq (Fra) 1926-39 1074,30
60 Charly Mottet (Fra) 1983-94 1067,30
61 Phil Anderson (Aus) 1980-94 1051,55
62 Henri Pélissier (Fra) 1911-28 1040,75
63 Abraham Olano (Spa) 1992-02 1038,75
64 Rudi Altig (Ger) 1959-70 1037,50
65 Roberto Heras (Spa) 1995-05 1032,30
66 Giovanni Brunero (Ita) 1919-29 1023,20
67 Frans Verbeeck (Bel) 1963-77 1020,40
68 Raymond Impanis (Bel) 1946-63 1006,75
69 Miguel Poblet (Spa) 1947-62 1005,25
70 Gaetano Belloni (Ita) 1915-32 991,60
71 Gianbattista Baronchelli (Ita) 1974-89 986,25
72 Rolf Sørensen (Den) 1986-02 982,30
73 Briek Schotte (Bel) 1940-59 982,00
74 (76) Gilberto Simoni (Ita) 1994-07 978,90
75 Francesco Casagrande (Ita) 1992-05 942,70
76 Federico Bahamontes (Spa) 1953-65 920,20
77 Maurizio Fondriest (Ita) 1987-98 909,05
78 Robert Millar (GBr) 1980-95 908,85
79 Pavel Tonkov (Rus) 1992-05 903,80
80 Miguel María Lasa (Spa) 1969-81 903,75
81 (117) Óscar Freire (Spa) 1998-07 893,70
82 Steven Rooks (Ned) 1982-95 883,75
83 Philippe Thys (Bel) 1912-27 874,50
84 Louis Trousselier (Fra) 1902-14 869,70
85 Gastone Nencini (Ita) 1953-65 868,50
86 (119) Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) 1996-07 863,00
87 Domingo Perurena (Spa) 1966-79 862,15
88 André Darrigade (Fra) 1951-66 851,45
89 Richard Virenque (Fra) 1991-04 850,00
90 (94) Aleksandr Vinokoerov (Kaz) 1998-07 839,05
91 Fred De Bruyne (Bel) 1953-61 838,15
92 Mariano Cañardo (Spa) 1926-43 830,90
93 (154) Danilo Di Luca (Ita) 1999-07 827,60
94 Michael Boogerd (Ned) 1994-07 824,00
95 Claude Criquielion (Bel) 1979-91 820,50
96 Michel Pollentier (Bel) 1973-84 815,55
97 Julián Berrendero (Spa) 1934-49 815,10
98 Frans Bonduel (Bel) 1928-47 809,85
99 Pasquale Fornara (Ita) 1949-61 808,65
100 Gerrie Knetemann (Ned) 1974-89 806,90
101 (136) Alejandro Valverde (Spa) 2002-07 801,30
102 Jean Alavoine (Fra) 1908-25 797,50
102 Émile Georget (Fra) 1903-14 797,50
104 Adrie van der Poel (Ned) 1981-99 789,75
105 Eugène Christophe (Fra) 1904-26 782,80
106 Sylvère Maes (Bel) 1932-48 777,10
107 Wladimiro Panizza (Ita) 1967-85 771,75
108 Lucien Petit-Breton (Fra) 1902-14 770,00
109 Italo Zilioli (Ita) 1962-76 766,60
110 Eric Vanderaerden (Bel) 1983-96 764,85
111 Dietrich Thurau (Ger) 1974-88 763,40
112 Gianni Motta (Ita) 1964-76 763,20
113 José Manuel Fuente (Spa) 1970-76 761,70
114 Marco Pantani (Ita) 1992-03 755,10
115 Raphaël Geminiani (Fra) 1946-60 754,60
116 Georges Ronsse (Bel) 1926-38 751,00
117 Michele Dancelli (Ita) 1963-76 745,30
118 Joaquim Agostinho (Por) 1968-84 744,35
119 Andy Hampsten (USA) 1985-96 740,40
120 Delio Rodríguez (Spa) 1936-48 728,50
121 Cyrille Van Hauwaert (Bel) 1907-14 724,95
122 Heiri Suter (Swi) 1918-34 708,50
123 José Perez-Frances (Spa) 1960-69 703,60
124 Domenico Piemontesi (Ita) 1925-38 698,40
125 Laurent Dufaux (Swi) 1991-04 693,00
126 Louis Mottiat (Bel) 1912-25 692,85
127 Francisco Galdos (Spa) 1969-80 692,50
128 Giovanni Battaglin (Ita) 1973-84 691,75
129 Félix Sellier (Bel) 1920-28 690,35
130 Marcel Kint (Bel) 1935-51 687,40
131 Andrei Tchmil (SU-Mda-Ukr-Bel) 1989-02 687,10
132 Marino Basso (Ita) 1966-78 682,90
133 Fernando Escartín (Spa) 1990-02 680,85
134 Franco Balmamion (Ita) 1961-72 679,90
135 Roger Pingeon (Fra) 1964-74 679,15
136 Maurice De Waele (Bel) 1922-31 679,00
137 Erik Breukink (Ned) 1985-97 662,35
138 Jef Demuysere (Bel) 1928-39 655,40
139 Nino Defilippis (Ita) 1952-64 653,10
140 Tom Simpson (GBr) 1959-67 650,80
141 Ottavio Bottecchia (Ita) 1922-27 650,75
142 Fritz Schär (Swi) 1947-58 639,75
143 Octave Lapize (Fra) 1909-14 636,00
144 Jean Stablinski (Fra) 1953-68 627,70
145 Hans Junkermann (Ger) 1955-73 627,25
146 Bartolomeo Aymo (Ita) 1919-30 619,30
147 Carlo Galetti (Ita) 1901-31 614,15
148 Joseph Planckaert (Bel) 1954-65 613,45
149 Ludo Peeters (Bel) 1974-90 608,00
150 Johan van der Velde (Ned) 1978-90 595,10
151 Luigi Ganna (Ita) 1905-14 592,25
152 Giuseppe Olmo (Ita) 1933-42 584,90
153 (168) Paolo Savoldelli (Ita) 1996-07 581,50
154 Rolf Wolfshohl (Ger) 1960-72 573,75
155 (191) Robbie McEwen (Aus) 1996-07 573,30
156 Pascal Richard (Swi) 1986-00 567,20
157 Luis Herrera (Col) 1984-92 561,90
158 (156) Serhij Hontsjar (Ukr) 1996-07 560,25
159 Jesús Loroño (Spa) 1947-62 558,70
160 Fons De Wolf (Bel) 1979-90 554,30
161 Georges Speicher (Fra) 1930-43 554,25
162 Roberto Visentini (Ita) 1978-90 550,30
163 Guido Reybrouck (Bel) 1964-73 549,00
164 Félicien Vervaecke (Bel) 1929-46 548,00
165 Gerben Karstens (Ned) 1965-80 547,90
166 Eric Leman (Bel) 1968-77 547,70
167 Rik Van Linden (Bel) 1971-83 543,10
168 Gaston Rebry (Bel) 1926-38 542,75
169 Tommy Prim (Zwe) 1980-86 540,75
170 (246) Carlos Sastre (Spa) 1998-07 539,15
171 Lucien Buysse (Bel) 1913-33 537,25
172 Georges Pintens (Bel) 1968-76 536,25
173 Steve Bauer (Can) 1984-96 535,25
174 René Vietto (Fra) 1931-53 530,50
175 Jevgeni Berzin (Rus) 1993-01 529,55
176 Franco Chioccioli (Ita) 1982-94 528,60
177 Álvaro Pino (Spa) 1982-91 527,70
178 Maurice Archambaud (Fra) 1932-44 526,50
179 Francisco Gabica (Spa) 1961-72 526,05
180 (223) Tom Boonen (Bel) 2002-07 525,90
181 (178) Ivan Basso (Ita) 1999-07 525,80
182 (188) Stefano Garzelli (Ita) 1997-07 518,10
183 Ercole Baldini (Ita) 1957-64 517,40
183 Guido Bontempi (Ita) 1981-95 517,40
185 Georges Passerieu (Fra) 1906-14 516,00
186 Fernando Manzaneque (Spa) 1954-68 515,80
187 Julio Jiménez (Spa) 1959-69 512,40
188 Johan De Muynck (Bel) 1971-83 512,35
189 Giovanni Valetti (Ita) 1935-48 518,10
190 (353) Denis Mensjov (Rus) 1999-07 510,50
191 Bjarne Riis (Den) 1986-99 501,90
192 Silvano Contini (Ita) 1978-90 501,20
193 Gilbert Desmet I (Bel) 1952-67 500,00
194 André Dierickx (Bel) 1969-81 498,50
195 Firmin Lambot (Bel) 1908-24 493,50
196 Wim van Est (Ned) 1949-65 491,25
197 Maurice Garin (Fra) 1893-11 491,00
198 Fabio Parra (Col) 1985-92 489,10
199 Marco Giovannetti (Ita) 1985-94 488,30
200 Jean Forestier (Fra) 1952-65 487,75

OK, so now we can vote for #201. I would say Harrie Steevens (de witte raaf) from Elsloo

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OK, so now we can vote for #201. I would say Harrie Steevens (de witte raaf) from Elsloo

Okay, I agree, because Harrie is a Dutch Limburger too.

"Het toeval wil dat de Amstel Gold Race van 1968, die door Steevens gewonnen werd, de enige was die ooit in zijn geboorteplaats Elsloo finishte."

Het was bovendien zijn belangrijkste overwinning!

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OK, so now we can vote for #201. I would say Harrie Steevens (de witte raaf) from Elsloo

Okay, I agree, because Harrie is a Dutch Limburger too.

"Het toeval wil dat de Amstel Gold Race van 1968, die door Steevens gewonnen werd, de enige was die ooit in zijn geboorteplaats Elsloo finishte."

Het was bovendien zijn belangrijkste overwinning!

Ik heb Peter Winnen niet kunnen ontdekken. Ook een Limburger toch,Alpe d'hueze 1981!!

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OK, so now we can vote for #201. I would say Harrie Steevens (de witte raaf) from Elsloo

Okay, I agree, because Harrie is a Dutch Limburger too.

"Het toeval wil dat de Amstel Gold Race van 1968, die door Steevens gewonnen werd, de enige was die ooit in zijn geboorteplaats Elsloo finishte."

Het was bovendien zijn belangrijkste overwinning!

Ik heb Peter Winnen niet kunnen ontdekken. Ook een Limburger toch,Alpe d'hueze 1981!!

ik zie ook niet de man met de leukste naam : tino tabak

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OK, so now we can vote for #201. I would say Harrie Steevens (de witte raaf) from Elsloo

Okay, I agree, because Harrie is a Dutch Limburger too.

"Het toeval wil dat de Amstel Gold Race van 1968, die door Steevens gewonnen werd, de enige was die ooit in zijn geboorteplaats Elsloo finishte."

Het was bovendien zijn belangrijkste overwinning!

Ik heb Peter Winnen niet kunnen ontdekken. Ook een Limburger toch,Alpe d'hueze 1981!!

ik zie ook niet de man met de leukste naam : tino tabak

Misschien komt ie nog voor in die draad over roken.

Peter Winnen also won the stage to Alpe d'Huez in 1983. In the Tour of 1981 (his first one): 5th place, in the Tour of 1983: 3rd place. Best Dutch Limburgian cyclist.

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OK, so now we can vote for #201. I would say Harrie Steevens (de witte raaf) from Elsloo

Okay, I agree, because Harrie is a Dutch Limburger too.

"Het toeval wil dat de Amstel Gold Race van 1968, die door Steevens gewonnen werd, de enige was die ooit in zijn geboorteplaats Elsloo finishte."

Het was bovendien zijn belangrijkste overwinning!

Ik heb Peter Winnen niet kunnen ontdekken. Ook een Limburger toch,Alpe d'hueze 1981!!

ik zie ook niet de man met de leukste naam : tino tabak

Misschien komt ie nog voor in die draad over roken.

Herinner je je nog dat Heras in een eindsprint met z'n pedaal in een hekwerk bleef hangen en over de kop sloeg? Over hekwerken gesproken...



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