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Mathijs
I mean, they have spent months and months writing songs together, so how can we be sure who wrote what, unless it is specifically mentioned in an interview?
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71Tele
Keith got credit for Sway just like Lennon got credit for "Yesterday" - they had a joint songwriting/publishing partnership, both names are on songs by either writer or both. In terms of recorders and sitars (as well as guitar solos for that matter): No matter how good a part is or what it "contributes" to the recording, it does not entitle one to songwriting (composing) credit. If someone were to record Ruby Tuesday with no recorder, it's still the same song, just a different arrangement. Arrangements and parts are completely different from composing, i.e. creating the song.
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Reagan
Before this ends, how about a quick nod to Charlie's drumming during the "you're gonna kiss these days goodbye" part? He rocks it.
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71Tele
Keith got credit for Sway just like Lennon got credit for "Yesterday" - they had a joint songwriting/publishing partnership, both names are on songs by either writer or both. In terms of recorders and sitars (as well as guitar solos for that matter): No matter how good a part is or what it "contributes" to the recording, it does not entitle one to songwriting (composing) credit. If someone were to record Ruby Tuesday with no recorder, it's still the same song, just a different arrangement. Arrangements and parts are completely different from composing, i.e. creating the song.
I know that. It still doesn't make it fair and right.
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Reagan
Before this ends, how about a quick nod to Charlie's drumming during the "you're gonna kiss these days goodbye" part? He rocks it.
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71Tele
Keith got credit for Sway just like Lennon got credit for "Yesterday" - they had a joint songwriting/publishing partnership, both names are on songs by either writer or both. In terms of recorders and sitars (as well as guitar solos for that matter): No matter how good a part is or what it "contributes" to the recording, it does not entitle one to songwriting (composing) credit. If someone were to record Ruby Tuesday with no recorder, it's still the same song, just a different arrangement. Arrangements and parts are completely different from composing, i.e. creating the song.
I know that. It still doesn't make it fair and right.
It is perfectly fair and right. Why should a songwriter share credit with someone who didn't help compose the song?
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71Tele
Keith got credit for Sway just like Lennon got credit for "Yesterday" - they had a joint songwriting/publishing partnership, both names are on songs by either writer or both. In terms of recorders and sitars (as well as guitar solos for that matter): No matter how good a part is or what it "contributes" to the recording, it does not entitle one to songwriting (composing) credit. If someone were to record Ruby Tuesday with no recorder, it's still the same song, just a different arrangement. Arrangements and parts are completely different from composing, i.e. creating the song.
I know that. It still doesn't make it fair and right.
It is perfectly fair and right. Why should a songwriter share credit with someone who didn't help compose the song?
In the case of Ruby Tuesday and 100 Years Ago, it can be argued that Brian and MT's contributions were so large that the respective songs could not have existed without them. Let's be real here. Would RT have been a huge hit without Brian's recorder and piano? No. Would 100 Years Ago be the song most of us love without the driving force that is MT's guitar? No. Therefore, in a fair world, both Brian and MT should have received the MUSICAL part of the songwriters' royalties. They had a huge role in composing the music, orchestrating the tempo, beat, and vibe of those songs.
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DandelionPowderman
<Would RT have been a huge hit without Brian's recorder and piano? No. Would 100 Years Ago be the song most of us love without the driving force that is MT's guitar? No.>
Satisfaction, Gimme Shelter, Jumpin´Jack Flash and SFTD did without recorders and extravagant solo guitar playing. Can´t you see that a huge part of RT being a hit has to do with the brilliant chorus, even though Brian´s contributions were fantastic?
IMO, you´re missing the point here. And brilliantly playing, though lifting the songs, is NOT composing. They get credit for playing, not for composing, because they already had a song to shine on when they figured out their parts...
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71Tele
It is just as possible the great composition inspired the recorder or other parts as is the opposite possibility, that the parts helped somehow to create the song.
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Edward Twining
Some songs stand on their own terms without much in terms of musical flamboyance etc. and others rely on musicianship to attain a level of distinction, especially if the song itself isn't conventionally strong. I love all the elements of 100 Years Ago, from the slightly folky opening to the funky Billy Preston contributions and the Mick Taylor wah wah guitar - it has a very strong 1973 contemporary feel, which much of Exile On Main Street didn't particuarly have, but it is the fabulously distinctive musicianship that holds it altogether, because as a song on paper it is very fragmentary, where all the elements don't seem especially related. That's perhaps the reason the song isn't highly regarded in its own right, but actually that's not necessarily a criticism, because it is songs like this that truly allows the Stones versitility with regards to musicianship to really come to the fore. I really do love it (and the rest of Goats Head Soup). It was the first album since Their Satanic Majesties Request to ditch the country elements to the Stones sound which was unfortunate perhaps at the time, but it was always refreshing to hear the Stones trying something new.
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skipstone
People listen to Ruby Tuesday and do not say, WOW BRIAN JONES MADE THAT SONG! That's not how it works. Most people say, 'I love that Rolling Stones song Ruby Tuesday' and then hum or sing the chorus, not the recorder part. The recorder part is a recorder part - it could have been steel drums or a flute for all anyone knows. Or a guitar. It's band. Some people do more things than others in a band. Brian Jones (and Ronnie Wood) is one of those people. He helped the sound of The Rolling Stones but in the end it comes down to the songs, the songwriting.
That's the deal.
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skipstone
Ah, true, to a degree, but it's the same dude and he's singing through his guitar. And he's the one doing both. Although you play Voodoo Chile and even that vocal is killer, especially the opening line.