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i think he's lost his instincts as a singer...the quality of his voice isn't the issue for me....his 2010 instincts don't JIBE with 40-year-old tracks....

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i think he's lost his instincts as a singer...the quality of his voice isn't the issue for me....his 2010 instincts don't JIBE with 40-year-old tracks....

Finally we come to the right conclusion: it's not Mick's voice, but his way of (mis)using it, his overacting. He's doing things that he shouldn't do or should do in another way. He has to forget about the X-Factor and be a much more modest in the mix. His bad way of singing dominates songs that are not bad at all in itself. But nobody dares to tell him the truth, except some of us here on IORR .

So the issue about his age is a non-issue.

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How many of the vocals are new? I'm only up to Following the River so far, but they all sound new to me, although some of them are certainly styled after the EOMS songs, but the sound of Mick's voice itself up to FTR certainly sounds 2010, and not 1971. Anyone know?

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i think he's lost his instincts as a singer...the quality of his voice isn't the issue for me....his 2010 instincts don't JIBE with 40-year-old tracks....

Finally we come to the right conclusion: it's not Mick's voice, but his way of (mis)using it, his overacting. He's doing things that he shouldn't do or should do in another way. He has to forget about the X-Factor and be a much more modest in the mix. His bad way of singing dominates songs that are not bad at all in itself. But nobody dares to tell him the truth, except some of us here on IORR .

So the issue about his age is a non-issue.

He does sing is a very 'mannered' style right now...I believe I read that he'd taken vocal lessons, probably to help protect his voice as he got older. That may be partly to blame.
It sometimes bugs me as well, but I'll take over no new material.

yeah, i don't think there's anything inherent in the ageing process that leads one to lose his instincts or intuition. dylan's vocal qualities have certainly changed dramatically over the years, but for me his instincts remain solid. the same holds true for any one of a number of other jagger contemporaries. so, i don't think it's a age-thing, other than being coincidental to his ageing.

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Nr. 5 and Soul Survivor - Old

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I just can't shake how much I don't like hearing Mick's current singing style over old backing tracks...

What's the point?

Is this how low they had to go to sell a new version of a great album that many have already bought 2-3 times?

I love Stones but I just don't get their thinking sometimes....

Anyone else feel this way?

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Nr. 5 and Soul Survivor - Old

I figured 'Soul Survivor' spoke for itself as 'old', Nicos.

You sure the vocal on Title 5 is old? Sounds new to me...

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Why can't the songs on the second disc be treated on their merits? Does it really make any difference whether they are slightly, partially or mostly new? quote]

Great point. If this was put out as a brand new album instead of being an offshoot of Exile it'd be evaluated differently.

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Thats my take on it too. Most of us have clamoured for years for archive releases and in most cases have ignored the strong possibility that maybe there arent that many finished and interesting gems left over in the vaults for every release. Its certainly a stretch to think that an album where they had already decided to expand to a double just a year after their previous release would have a lot of finished songs that were excluded. You cant expect a band making a record in 1972 with deadlines to meet to think 'we'll finish up these extra songs even though we dont need them - who knows, there may be a market for this type of thing in three or four decades time'.

In that respect, Exile isnt maybe an ideal candidate for an expanded release, because the album itself was one to begin with. A bonafide extra CD of Exile outtakes would probably have primarily consisted of instrumentals, half finished songs with dummy lyrics or a guide lead vocal. Thats ok had it been a bootleg, but as an official release it wouldnt really have warranted repeated listening. 'Soul Survivor' with Keith improvising x-rated lyrics is a fun curio in isolation, but would we really get excited about them releasing a CD of 10-12 songs in that vein with little or nothing else being included?

Personally, I'd have liked a few more alternate takes of released songs to fill a CD (and they maybe could have included a couple of previously bootlegged stuff like Hillside Blues and Travellin Man) but its no big deal..I'm sure there'll be other archive projects where this material can officially see the light of day.

Given the choice between hearing latter day vocals (flawed a concept as it is) on 38-39 year old backing tracks and never hearing those songs at all (or even knowing of their existence), I know what I'd rather have. And the fact that they're generally pretty good songs anyway makes that choice easier.

Anyway, there are some 1969-71 songs on the CD that have been left untouched and some of them are amongst the best thing on there.

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How many of the vocals are new? I'm only up to Following the River so far, but they all sound new to me, although some of them are certainly styled after the EOMS songs, but the sound of Mick's voice itself up to FTR certainly sounds 2010, and not 1971. Anyone know?

Loving Cup, Good Time women, I aint signifying - old

Pass the wine, so divine, dancing in the light, following the river, plundered my soul - new.

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Keith improvising x-rated lyrics?

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How many of the vocals are new? I'm only up to Following the River so far, but they all sound new to me, although some of them are certainly styled after the EOMS songs, but the sound of Mick's voice itself up to FTR certainly sounds 2010, and not 1971. Anyone know?

Loving Cup, Good Time women, I aint signifying - old

Pass the wine, so divine, dancing in the light, following the river, plundered my soul - new.

Thanks Gazza. I really love Good Time Women and Title 5 - great songs. I also really like So Divine, and I must say, I think Following the River is Mick's best latter day ballad since Out of Tears. Much better than some of his other efforts.

I have no problems with them going back to finish off old tracks, but if that is what they want to do, then I think the songs should stand on their own in a Tattoo You fashion. Don't try to say that these are extra left-overs from the EOMS sessions as very little of them were left as is. If the muse is, in fact, gone and this is how they need to come up with new songs, I'm OK with it, because some of these new lyrics are rather good over the old tracks, but please don't try and milk the old albums to boost sales. Let the old tracks with new vocals stand on their own. Just my opinion....

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I totally agree with rssr. This "re-release" is some kind of anachronistic BS. Even Keith was opposed to "painting a new smile on the Mona Lisa" as he put it. The people who like this obvioulsy are too young to have lived through the original Exile.