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roger waters is a genius .david gilmour is a great guitarist !
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roger waters is a genius .david gilmour is a great guitarist !
^^^This sums it up.
If Roger didn't play bass in Floyd it would almost be like Elton John and Bernie Taupin.
Pink Floyd would not have had the success they did without BOTH of them in the band.
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The Greek
roger waters is a genius .david gilmour is a great guitarist !
^^^This sums it up.
If Roger didn't play bass in Floyd it would almost be like Elton John and Bernie Taupin.
Pink Floyd would not have had the success they did without BOTH of them in the band.
Roger is a CONCEPTUAL genius, but Dave is the MUSICAL genius. When Roger began to insist on doing everything himself, when Floyd albums became more and more like Roger Waters solo albums, the music suffered. DSOTM and WYWH were great because they were true GROUP efforts, with Roger creating the concepts and writing all the lyrics, and Dave and Rick writing much of the music and doing much of the singing. Animals, though still great, comes very close to being a Roger solo album. The Wall even more so. Musically, it's Gilmour who provides the highlights. (Comfortably Numb was ALMOST written in time to make it onto Dave's 1978 solo debut, and the album would have been a chart-topper if it had.) With The Final Cut (a Floyd album in name only) and Pros and Cons, it's all about THE WORDS, lyric sheets that go on FOREVER, with seemingly very little thought put into THE MUSIC. Which sounds more like a Pink Floyd album to you? Pros and Cons? Or About Face?
Btw, I was a little bothered by Roger deciding to take DSOTM on the road last time out. It seemed like he was trying to claim it for himself, as if it was HIS album. It's not. Dave and Rick wrote a good deal of it, and Roger barely even sings on it. I thought it was a little disingenuous of Roger to present it as HIS masterpiece. The Wall I don't have a problem with. That's pretty much HIS baby. It makes more sense for him to do it than it would have made for Gilmour, Wright, and Mason to do it ... which is why they didn't do it, except for a few of the better songs, which, not coincidentally, were the same ones that Dave had been largely responsible for.
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Yeah in all honesty I would have to say that Wish You Were Here is actually my favorite PF album. It always gets overshadowed by Dark Side and very little of it has ever been played live other than the title track and Shine on. Altough when I saw the Gilmour solo tour in 2006 and he played all of SOYCD as well as Echoes. It was simply suberb.
Pink Floyd would never have had success if it weren't for Syd Barrett.Quote
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roger waters is a genius .david gilmour is a great guitarist !
^^^This sums it up.
If Roger didn't play bass in Floyd it would almost be like Elton John and Bernie Taupin.
Pink Floyd would not have had the success they did without BOTH of them in the band.
Yeah I think that was the show I had a ticket for. But being only 15 at the time. I gave into pressure from my big brother and gave my ticket to his friend.Quote
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sweetcharmedlife
Yeah in all honesty I would have to say that Wish You Were Here is actually my favorite PF album. It always gets overshadowed by Dark Side and very little of it has ever been played live other than the title track and Shine on. Altough when I saw the Gilmour solo tour in 2006 and he played all of SOYCD as well as Echoes. It was simply suberb.
One of the best Floyd boots you'll ever hear is 'Animal Instincts' from the '77 In The Flesh tour (Oakland I think). Consists of Animals and WYWH in their entirety plus a sprinkling of DSOTM & Careful With That Axe. Brilliant. It's generally regarded as such a good recording that with a bit of tweaking could have been an official release.
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Yeah in all honesty I would have to say that Wish You Were Here is actually my favorite PF album. It always gets overshadowed by Dark Side and very little of it has ever been played live other than the title track and Shine on. Altough when I saw the Gilmour solo tour in 2006 and he played all of SOYCD as well as Echoes. It was simply suberb.
One of the best Floyd boots you'll ever hear is 'Animal Instincts' from the '77 In The Flesh tour (Oakland I think). Consists of Animals and WYWH in their entirety plus a sprinkling of DSOTM & Careful With That Axe. Brilliant. It's generally regarded as such a good recording that with a bit of tweaking could have been an official release.
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bernardandersonPink Floyd would never have had success if it weren't for Syd Barrett.Quote
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The Greek
roger waters is a genius .david gilmour is a great guitarist !
^^^This sums it up.
If Roger didn't play bass in Floyd it would almost be like Elton John and Bernie Taupin.
Pink Floyd would not have had the success they did without BOTH of them in the band.
i'm amazed at how many people claim to be Pink Floyd fans but when i ask them if they like Syd's solo material as well, they respond with "who's Syd Barrett?"
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The Greek
roger waters is a genius .david gilmour is a great guitarist !
^^^This sums it up.
If Roger didn't play bass in Floyd it would almost be like Elton John and Bernie Taupin.
Pink Floyd would not have had the success they did without BOTH of them in the band.
Roger is a CONCEPTUAL genius, but Dave is the MUSICAL genius. When Roger began to insist on doing everything himself, when Floyd albums became more and more like Roger Waters solo albums, the music suffered. DSOTM and WYWH were great because they were true GROUP efforts, with Roger creating the concepts and writing all the lyrics, and Dave and Rick writing much of the music and doing much of the singing. Animals, though still great, comes very close to being a Roger solo album. The Wall even more so. Musically, it's Gilmour who provides the highlights. (Comfortably Numb was ALMOST written in time to make it onto Dave's 1978 solo debut, and the album would have been a chart-topper if it had.) With The Final Cut (a Floyd album in name only) and Pros and Cons, it's all about THE WORDS, lyric sheets that go on FOREVER, with seemingly very little thought put into THE MUSIC. Which sounds more like a Pink Floyd album to you? Pros and Cons? Or About Face?
Btw, I was a little bothered by Roger deciding to take DSOTM on the road last time out. It seemed like he was trying to claim it for himself, as if it was HIS album. It's not. Dave and Rick wrote a good deal of it, and Roger barely even sings on it. I thought it was a little disingenuous of Roger to present it as HIS masterpiece. The Wall I don't have a problem with. That's pretty much HIS baby. It makes more sense for him to do it than it would have made for Gilmour, Wright, and Mason to do it ... which is why they didn't do it, except for a few of the better songs, which, not coincidentally, were the same ones that Dave had been largely responsible for.
Very well put, mate. All that you're written is spot on.
No one's mentioned Radio KAOS. I used to like the album when it first came out, but it sounds very dated now. I saw the second Wembley Arena show (when a bloke claiming to be Syd Barrett 'rang' Roger on stage - "When are we going to play together?" - which really freaked Roger out and left him visibly shaken up afterwards). General consensus was that it was a better tour than Pros & Cons.
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bernardandersonPink Floyd would never have had success if it weren't for Syd Barrett.Quote
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The Greek
roger waters is a genius .david gilmour is a great guitarist !
^^^This sums it up.
If Roger didn't play bass in Floyd it would almost be like Elton John and Bernie Taupin.
Pink Floyd would not have had the success they did without BOTH of them in the band.
i'm amazed at how many people claim to be Pink Floyd fans but when i ask them if they like Syd's solo material as well, they respond with "who's Syd Barrett?"
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Seriously, someone's gonna watch this show? I'm planning to visit Liberaces grave instead...
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bernardandersonPink Floyd would never have had success if it weren't for Syd Barrett.Quote
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The Greek
roger waters is a genius .david gilmour is a great guitarist !
^^^This sums it up.
If Roger didn't play bass in Floyd it would almost be like Elton John and Bernie Taupin.
Pink Floyd would not have had the success they did without BOTH of them in the band.
i'm amazed at how many people claim to be Pink Floyd fans but when i ask them if they like Syd's solo material as well, they respond with "who's Syd Barrett?"
I'd agree with you to an extent Bernard. There is no doubt on the strength of the first album that Syd gave the band the platform of quality and mystique to propel them to initial fame and success. Having said that, one could argue that had Syd not fell apart then Dave Gilmour may never have joined and the band would probably have gone in an entirely different direction.Possibly disappearing. Who can say if Roger Waters would ever have come to the fore as a song writer?
What Syd certainly also lent the band, albeit by default was the backdrop subject matter to DSOTM, WYWH(in particular) and big chunks of The Wall. By Roger's own admission many of his musical strategems were based around Syd and his persona/psyche for those albums. So to that end, Syd never really left the band.
It's a fair point about some 'mainstream' Floyd fans not knowing about Syd but a large part of that may be a generational issue. I'd guess if you asked a lot of people who claimed to be Stones fans under a certain age about Brian Jones it's doubtful they'd know much about him. Maybe a hazy recognition of the name at best.