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131 people know who Mick Taylor is......
A few more know Bill Wyman or Charlie Watts.
Last count only 52 people know who Brian Jones was.
Everyone knows Mick and Keith

Well, I guess your estimation is a bit on the low side. Take a look at many YT Stones-clips and almost every time people mention MT. And sometimes there are really many replies and long discussions to find there. (I never replied there and many others neither).

If for example the Stones would release one or more live CD's and/or DVD's from the 69-73 era there would be much attention for it, as well as from the press as from the 'audience', the 'masses'.

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I saw MT a lot in the 60's/70's (69, 72, 73,) and I'm ready to see him get back with the Band. Put Ronnie on Bass or have 3 guitar players.... THAT would be show !!! Yo, Jag, you listening? Think of the cash flow coming in

I'd hazard a guess that 90% of people that attended the last couple of tours either don't know MT or don't place any significance on him.

Well, ignorance is not bliss, nor is it an excuse...

Thank you...This song rocks..Give me more of this rock and roll...I don't care how old it is..Its 10,000 light years better then anything out on the radio today!

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I saw MT a lot in the 60's/70's (69, 72, 73,) and I'm ready to see him get back with the Band. Put Ronnie on Bass or have 3 guitar players.... THAT would be show !!! Yo, Jag, you listening? Think of the cash flow coming in

you got that right big time three amigos on the six string .while were at it bring back bill thunderous bass .remember the stones reputation for being bass heavy .Helter you are so right about the money issue cause then i would gladly pay thru the noise .to hear the guitar assault of richards,taylor,and wood .

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>>Scooby: Out takes? If they were not good enough for the original release of EOMS why should we assume that they are going to be a worthwhile addition to our collections now? Do we want or need "new" material of this nature?<<

There's no reason to assume they are not worthwhile to be released - because no one has heared them yet.
and...how many songs did fit on the original (and only studio) double LP?
I've read some moaners posts who thought that EOMS should have been a one single LP.

Do we want or need "new" material of this nature?



well I surly do!

That songs sounds brilliantly!

Me too. I want more songs like this one. Maybe oldfashioned but good!

ru serious folks?

nice tune ,, its got a little back of my hand thing going on imo

I thought Back of My Hand had a The Storm vibe.

This seems more like Hide Your Love.

YMMV

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"We have to realize that this project is being discussed to death already a couple of months before its release, at a time when noone of its toughest critics has not even heard a single note of the finished tracks."

Exactly! There's a big wide world out there. Try it? How can people get this wound up about a product they haven't seen, heard or touched it beyond me!!

once again, what else is there to talk about on a Stones board?????
Mick's wig?
The next Stones setlist x 100?
Charlie's anteater?

I am very bored...it's the only thing that we can talk about...i.e. something that is actually happening with this soon-to-be-sunk band !

the reason why we are wound up is because Stones fans are waiting for something to happen.

Nothing wrong with discussing a new release months ahead per se. The thing that bugs me is that some people here claim and insist that it simply cant be good because there are some recent overdubs - without having listened to the material so far.

This criticism is based on theory instead of actual listening experience. As such, it is rather pointless.

It may appear risky to add finishing touches to nearly fourty years old song sketches, but I for one am open-minded enough to reserve judgements until I hear the finished results.

Well, there are already many threads IMO about the Exile reissue ..
Sorry if this has been posted before .

As I said & wrote before , of course I wonder about the " new" numbers but I wouldn't like to hear overdubs ,especially if the dubs were recorded with musicians I don't need to mention here .
One thought I have is :
what Don Was 's job will sound like & how Jagger will sound ....(Like in the Exile outtakes? No way ! )

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Universal Music Group is pleased to announce the re-release of The Rolling Stones' album Exile on Main Street with an additional 10 never-before-heard tracks. Regarded as one of the greatest albums in rock 'n' roll history and one of the most defining of the Stones' catalogue, Exile will be available May 17, 2010, in the U.K. and May 18, 2010, in the US.

Upon its release more than three decades ago, Exile on Main Street innovatively wove varying musical genres, instruments and even artists into a compelling rhythmic masterpiece. This new compilation features 10 tracks originally recorded during the Exile era and only recently discovered while working on the reissue project. The unearthed tracks which include such titles as "Plundered My Soul," "Dancing in the Light," "Following the River" and "Pass The Wine" have undergone a unique evolution, while staying true to the essence of the 1972 album. Alternate versions of "Soul Survivor" and "Loving Cup" also are a part of the Exile bonus materials.

As a complement to the release of Exile on Main Street, a documentary, "Stones in Exile," has just been completed for fans to view on US Network television and through BBC Worldwide internationally. The documentary features rare, never-before-seen archival film, photos and interviews as well as new conversations with the band and the artists they influence. Produced by Oscar -winning filmmaker John Battsek and directed by Stephen Kijak, who is known for award-winning work on Cinemania, and Scott Walker: 30 Century Man, "Stones in Exile" offers an uncommon glimpse into the lives of the band as they created one of the greatest albums of all time.

The original 18-track double-album was recorded in various stages at multiple locations, including Olympic Studios in London, Keith Richard's mansion Nellcote in France, and in Los Angeles where the literal "Main Street" influenced the album title. These atypical circumstances surrounding the recording process greatly affected the album's outcome which was highly reflective and influenced by the sociopolitical turbulence that marked the late `60s and early `70s. The Stones nixed the influences of a flower-child era and directed their creative process with the edgier, excessive, "more is more" approach of the `70s. Exile reveals a sprawling mix of genres with undertones of blues, country, R&B and gospel mixed with lyrics that fervently demand for release and liberation.

The album pulled together an electric array of talent including Dr. John, the late Billy Preston and pianist Nicky Hopkins. Guitarist Mick Taylor, who replaced Brian Jones in the band shortly before Jones died in 1969, is a magnificent blues player who brought an intensity and elegance to these epic tracks. At times, these musicians and others lived on the recording studio premises with the band creating an extremely open and creative collaboration for the album.

"The album's riveting portrait of artists pushed - by the times, by themselves - to the very limits of their creativity has provided inspiration to every musical generation that has come along since Exile was released in 1972," said author Anthony DeCurtis. "Every song on Exile on Main Street is elevated by its relationship to the music that comes before and after it. The album's irresistible power is unlikely to diminish any time soon."
Exile on Main Street will be available in two CD formats: the original 18 track release; a deluxe CD edition with the 10 special bonus tracks; and a super deluxe package that also includes vinyl, a 30-minute documentary DVD with footage from C********r Blues, Ladies and Gentlemen... the Rolling Stones and Stones in Exile, and a 50-page collector's book with photos from the Exile era. The 10 unreleased tracks were produced by Jimmy Miller, The Glimmer Twins and Don Was.











I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .

Again with this 30 minute DVD. Don Was's interview in Variety(?) says 61 minutes.

what the hell is "exile on main street"?!?! i've never heard of it.

I hope Robert Frank will get his cut on the sales...

Exile Shmexile.

When's the Dirty Work deluxe edition coming out?

dirty work deluxe edition? will it be the opposite of a disc with bonus tracks? all songs removed!

Thanks, SwayStones. Is that the actual cover? A very bootleggish aesthetic if so.

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dirty work deluxe edition? will it be the opposite of a disc with bonus tracks? all songs removed!

Well, just for kicks here are three from the Dirty Work sessions:

Crushed Pearl




Deep Love




Strictly Memphis






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Wow, those DW outtakes are fantastic. Are they originals?

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"We have to realize that this project is being discussed to death already a couple of months before its release, at a time when noone of its toughest critics has not even heard a single note of the finished tracks."

Exactly! There's a big wide world out there. Try it? How can people get this wound up about a product they haven't seen, heard or touched it beyond me!!

once again, what else is there to talk about on a Stones board?????
Mick's wig?
The next Stones setlist x 100?
Charlie's anteater?

I am very bored...it's the only thing that we can talk about...i.e. something that is actually happening with this soon-to-be-sunk band !

the reason why we are wound up is because Stones fans are waiting for something to happen.

Nothing wrong with discussing a new release months ahead per se. The thing that bugs me is that some people here claim and insist that it simply cant be good because there are some recent overdubs - without having listened to the material so far.

This criticism is based on theory instead of actual listening experience. As such, it is rather pointless.

It may appear risky to add finishing touches to nearly fourty years old song sketches, but I for one am open-minded enough to reserve judgements until I hear the finished results.

I remain very hesitant about it all for several reasons, most of which have been posted here.....

1. Mick's song writing - and lyrics really - have gone down tremendously over the years and nothing - not even anything off of my beloved Voodoo Lounge - holds up to the lines he was throwing together back in the heyday.

2. His voice isn't what it once was, and I fear that one will be able to hear the difference.

3. You can't recreate or recapture that vibe some 30+ years later.

4. Two of the members of the band that made that album so special are no longer in the band.......

According to Play.com, here is the tracklist for disc 2...

Disc 2 - originally recorded during the Exile era

Loving Cup - Alternate Take
Pass The Wine (Sophia Loren)
I'm Not Signifying
Dancing In The Light
So Divine (Aladdin Story)
Soul Survivor - Alternate Take
Following The River
Plundered My Soul
Good Time Women
Title 5

Sorry if this has been posted, but I haven't seen it.

Ross

Title 5?

I hate to say it, but i would buy a Dirty Work special edition, there is a decent record trying to get out of there somewhere

"You are simply not qualified to comment."

so what qualifies you to comment?

according to Play.com, below are is the list of songs that will appear on the Exile bonus disc. Anybody have any idea what "Title 5" is?


Disc 2 - originally recorded during the Exile era

Loving Cup - Alternate Take
Pass The Wine (Sophia Loren)
I'm Not Signifying
Dancing In The Light
So Divine (Aladdin Story)
Soul Survivor - Alternate Take
Following The River
Plundered My Soul
Good Time Women
Title 5

Thanks!

Ross

[www.variety.com]

Stones return from 'Exile'
Questions about The Rolling Stones' hidden gems

When the Universal Music Group announced last week that it was re-releasing the Rolling Stones' iconic 1972 double album "Exile on Main Street" with 10 never-before-heard bonus tracks from the period, many fans found themselves wondering: "Where did these songs come from and why haven't we heard them before?"
By all outward signs, the Stones' music has been one of the most assiduously strip-mined catalogs of recent times, by both the various labels they've been associated with as well as enterprising bootleggers who tout thousands of hours of recorded and live work of the band dating back to their formation in 1962. One bootleg site boasts eight CDs of material from the "Their Satanic Majesties Request" sessions alone.

Don Was, the credited producer on the newly unearthed "Exile" tracks along with the late Jimmy Miller and the Glimmer Twins (the Stones' Keith Richards and Mick Jagger), told Variety that he sifted through 200 hours of tape for the new bonus material, which will be heard when the package is released May 17 in the U.K. and May 18 stateside.

"I've been to the tape warehouse," said Was. "If you can picture the last scene of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' with this enormous room filled from floor to ceiling with (all these antiquities), that's what they have.

"There's stuff that nobody's heard," he added. "The things that have slipped out on bootleg is just a fraction of what's available. They could do this with every album they've ever made if they wanted to."

According to the producer, nobody was more surprised than the Stones "that they had this extra stuff that was as close to the finish line as it turned out to be."

The original 18-track double-album -- made during a peak creative period for the band and the culmination of a string of masterpieces that began with "Beggars Banquet" and continued with "Let It Bleed" and "Sticky Fingers" -- was recorded in various stages at multiple locations, including Olympic Studios in London, Keith Richard's Nellcote mansion in the south of France and Sunset Sound Recorders in Los Angeles, where the bulk of the mixing and overdubs were done.

The "Exile" of the title pertains to the Stones having moved out of England due to the country's onerous tax laws, and the lingering fallout from drug busts in their home country.

The album is considered a rock 'n' roll landmark, with blues, country, R&B and gospel thrown into the mix. Blues and slide guitar specialist Mick Taylor, who replaced Brian Jones in the band after he died in 1969, is considered a key part of the album's timeless appeal.

"There's a unity to 'Exile' that makes a whole lot of sense -- this vision of American roots music reinterpreted by the Stones' eyes and ears," explained Was. "And it holds because it's stayed current all these years."

Jagger was reportedly critical of the album at the time of its release, and was quoted in 2003 as saying the LP "has some of the worst mixes I've ever heard."

Was said that he and the Stones (Jagger, Richards, and to a lesser extent, drummer Charlie Watts) decided to maintain the integrity of the original recording. "The sound of 'Exile' is not only etched in stone but it's become a part of the sonic vocabulary of record makers who followed," the producer explained. "You have to embrace what it is.

"The guiding light came in a fax Keith (Richards) sent to me early on. He said: 'You don't have to make it sound like 'Exile.' It already is 'Exile.' That's really what we tried to stick to throughout."

Was described the bonus tracks, which include alternate versions of "Soul Surviver" and "Loving Cup," as either "extremely finished songs" or "finished but with a rawness." One track, "Following the River," consisted of just an instrumental on which Jagger subsequently wrote lyrics and supplied the vocals. But for the most part, Jagger and Richards' overdubs are "pretty minimal" and limited to a couple of songs.

Accompanying the release is a 61-minute documentary about, as director Stephen Kijak describes it, "why the Stones went into exile in France and about how they made this extraordinary album."

Kijak culled his footage mainly from about 20 hours of outtakes from Robert Frank's infamous documentary of the Stones 1972 tour, "@#$%& Blues," as well as images from the lavish, limited release photo book by Dominique Tarlet called "Exile," which chronicled the recording sessions at Nellcote.

"We let Robert Frank's aesthetic, and the album art itself (shot by Frank), lead it," explained Kijak. "So what you've got is a vibey mood piece that dips you right into the early 70s and doesn't let you out."

The 18 tracks from "Exile" provide the doc's soundtrack, along with studio chatter from the "Exile" sessions as well as the more recent reissuing and remastering sessions.

Kijak also says the film doesn't shy away from Richards reported struggles with heroin at the time of the recordings. "You can't separate the drugs from the story," he explained

Great article, and far more informative about the tinkering with history. I am glad to hear that jagger only did new vocals and lyrics on one song! YAY! And minimal overdubs on the rest. This sounds like it will be a great package!

"I've been to the tape warehouse," said Was. "If you can picture the last scene of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' with this enormous room filled from floor to ceiling with (all these antiquities), that's what they have.
"There's stuff that nobody's heard," he added. "The things that have slipped out on bootleg is just a fraction of what's available. They could do this with every album they've ever made if they wanted to."

yeah, that's great. just great. thanks for telling us, Don Was! that's like dangling a bottle of water in front of a dying man in the desert and saying "no! you can't have it!". jerk. the "studio chatter" sounds cool though. i love that stuff.

If Exile is well received, I hope it opens the floodgates. This quote from Don Was has me dreaming

"I've been to the tape warehouse," said Was. "If you can picture the last scene of 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' with this enormous room filled from floor to ceiling with (all these antiquities), that's what they have.

"There's stuff that nobody's heard," he added. "The things that have slipped out on bootleg is just a fraction of what's available. They could do this with every album they've ever made if they wanted to."
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I was about to paste my favorite quote from that article in here but see 2 people picked the same quote.

God, on one hand I'm ecstatic, on the other, I really, really don't like Don Was' work.

What would be worse...no newly released Exile-era tracks? or tracks whose mixing and production makes the whole thing disappointing (for me, that would be scrubbed clean, sterile. plastic sounding).

I just listened to the music samples at Amazon.com of Kris Kritopherson's album from Sept 09, produced by Don Was. He chose to strip it down and bring everything up front...which is good, but the sound is still so immaculately clean, and lacks depth.

I'll just focus on the fact that there's new Stones music from my favorite era hatching this year & will hope for the best!

Has Mick Taylor clocked in on this? wonder whether he's heard it?

EDIT: I just saw the other thread [www.iorr.org] where people are arguing about Mick taylor's involvement. I hadn't been to that thread in several days, so didn't know



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I wanna be a rockin' warehouse rat .......



ROCKMAN

So the documentary is 61 minutes? That's better than the half hour the docu was reported to be a few days ago. Surely if the documentary is 61 minutes, and it's broadcast on TV, then the DVD needs some extra scenes to encourage the public to purchase it? Although it's not quite an apples Vs apples situation, in the early 2000's, MGM spent a million bucks completely recutting Elvis's rockumentary That's The Way It Is from the ground up. They then proceeded to broadcast it on TV a couple of months before the DVD release, and then delete the extra DVD-only scenes from the DVD release. The end result was predictably miserable sales.



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Yes, I totally agree WHITEM8 about the new Jagger vocals. I am so excited about this EXILE package, I can't even describe the anticipation ! I want this to be more of the same, the exact same rawness, the imperfect production ( as much as Mick may wish it were more polished) and to think there will be tracks we've never heard that came out of those sessions!! OMG! To add anything to it would ruin it, in my opinion. I can overlook ONE bit of new vocal, maybe it was justified because the original was not something they could use. For me, the jam-quality of it made me feel I waslistening to the Stones rehearse!!! One of my all time fantasies has been to be at one of their recording sessions...sitting in the dark in the corner taking it all in. Exile has always grabbed me in the gut so I am planning on buying the Delux package, DVD and all.