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Slick
i will reserve judgment until i actually hear the 'new' stuff, just hope they dont botch it up. ie. adding 2010 mick vocals to vintage 1970's tracks will sound horrible.
Problem is, we dont really know how much leftover material was releasable. Its pretty much well documented that the bulk of the vocals (according to Mick anyway) werent finished until they did the overdubs in LA. By that stage, once youve worked on 18 songs for what was, after all, a double album, which came out just one year after their previous record its quite feasible that not a lot of other songs were finished. When youve finished 18 songs and have deadlines, there's no need to waste valuable time finishing songs that you have no intention (at the time anyway) of putting out.
Taking that into account, you maybe have four possible options here for a bonus CD :
1) They could have released the known, circulating Exile-era outtakes 'as is', which would have led to endless complaints about just putting out stuff that a lot of people already have.
2) they could have released a CD of leftover songs which were unfinished and just put them out as they are. Cue multiple complaints about 'filler' and the sheer cheek of putting out half finished sketches and expecting fans to buy any old rubbish.
3) They could release a hybrid of finished but previously unbootlegged tracks and previously unbootlegged unfinished tracks, adding some latter day overdubs to the latter to make them sound finished.
4) They could release absolutely nothing at all.
Given the choice, I'd prefer option 3). Thats the option theyve chosen.
Although, that said, I wouldnt have objected to them filling out the CD with a few songs from option 1), which would have been in better quality than what was previously available.
However, its still a better alternative than the other three.
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His Majesty
Outside of obsessive fans like us, noone is really interested in hearing recordings of the band playing unfinished songs without any vocals.
As a compromise, of the tracks they have overdubbed on to they could have included the before and after versions. There is plenty of space on a CD. This gives them freedom to overdub as they please(which they have anyway), but also allows more hardcore/purist fans to have the original recordings as they were left at the time as well.
Instead of being a grumpy old stick in the mud, I'm going to buy it and listen to it loudly with an open mind. Perhaps they've done a great job and the freshly overdubbed tracks will kick the proverbial ass in which case I wont mind not having the raw originals.
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The Greek
this is a joke to me another typical money grab .remixing exile to me is sacreligious .what are we gonna condone the repainting of the sistene chapel in the vatican because of a perceived smudge ?it's a masterpiece dont mess with it but too late i guess .so we will get some fancy booklet (oh woopie)and a making of dvd of exile instead of ladies and gentelman dvd (alternate night from houston).this sounds like garbage with the exception of the BONUS TRACKS .the only thing worth spending the money for ,but still once again jagger never misses a opportunity to pick the pockets of his diehard legions of fans .the jagger motto pay thru the nose for a tiny portion of the greatness
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Mathijs
Who cares actually...I mean, who's going to pay for it anyway? All this talk, and in the end we all will be downloading it for free the day it's released. So, we should be grateful they even bother releasing it, as they will probably only sell 4.352 CD's worldwide. And they know it.
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Also, "filler" and "any old rubbish" are terms that can hardly be applied to unfinished tracks recorded when the Stones were at the peak of their creativity.
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The Greek
this is a joke to me another typical money grab .remixing exile to me is sacreligious .what are we gonna condone the repainting of the sistene chapel in the vatican because of a perceived smudge ?it's a masterpiece dont mess with it
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Mathijs
Who cares actually...I mean, who's going to pay for it anyway? All this talk, and in the end we all will be downloading it for free the day it's released. So, we should be grateful they even bother releasing it, as they will probably only sell 4.352 CD's worldwide. And they know it.
Mathijs
hey!!! blank cdr's and printer paper and jewel cases do cost money!!!
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ablett
"Are people unhappy? or just cynical about this release?"
Whats there to be cynical about? 10 news tracks, remixed cd, book and dvd?
At least wait till it's released before its analysed to death...
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Mathijs
Who cares actually...I mean, who's going to pay for it anyway? All this talk, and in the end we all will be downloading it for free the day it's released. So, we should be grateful they even bother releasing it, as they will probably only sell 4.352 CD's worldwide. And they know it.
Mathijs
hey!!! blank cdr's and printer paper and jewel cases do cost money!!!
well, all i can say is.
i own 40 gb of music. and when i say i own i mean i have payed for everything of it. i never ever, not even once downloaded illegal. i would never steal music. and i would definately never steal rolling stones music.
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Gazza
Doodling is doodling, and singing out of tune unfinished lyrics is just as unlistenable whether it was recorded in 1970 or recorded in 2010.
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stoneswashed77
well, all i can say is.
i own 40 gb of music. and when i say i own i mean i have payed for everything of it. i never ever, not even once downloaded illegal. i would never steal music. and i would definately never steal rolling stones music.
maybe that comes from being a musician myself.
but even if you are not i think this might be a thing to think about again for some ppl.
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Gazza
Doodling is doodling, and singing out of tune unfinished lyrics is just as unlistenable whether it was recorded in 1970 or recorded in 2010.
Hmm, such things are of interest to those that are interested in the bands creative process and how the tracks were before they reached the finished version... amongst other things.
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Gazza
The GRNRBITW should be about quality
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stoneswashed77
well, all i can say is.
i own 40 gb of music. and when i say i own i mean i have payed for everything of it. i never ever, not even once downloaded illegal. i would never steal music. and i would definately never steal rolling stones music.
maybe that comes from being a musician myself.
but even if you are not i think this might be a thing to think about again for some ppl.
Do you own any bootlegs!?
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dewlover
"They could've knocked this set out of the park by putting L&G and CS Blues on DVD." (...or preferably Blu-Ray in 7.1 Sound)
This guy is right on, or at least the L&G (w/alt night) part of it...I'm sure I will eventually buy some version of this, however, over the years definitely felt like this band was milking their fans to an extreme with some of their releases, ticket prices, etc....I also think The Greek is correct in his statements above...
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Slick
i will reserve judgment until i actually hear the 'new' stuff, just hope they dont botch it up. ie. adding 2010 mick vocals to vintage 1970's tracks will sound horrible.
Problem is, we dont really know how much leftover material was releasable. Its pretty much well documented that the bulk of the vocals (according to Mick anyway) werent finished until they did the overdubs in LA. By that stage, once youve worked on 18 songs for what was, after all, a double album, which came out just one year after their previous record its quite feasible that not a lot of other songs were finished. When youve finished 18 songs and have deadlines, there's no need to waste valuable time finishing songs that you have no intention (at the time anyway) of putting out.
Taking that into account, you maybe have four possible options here for a bonus CD :
1) They could have released the known, circulating Exile-era outtakes 'as is', which would have led to endless complaints about just putting out stuff that a lot of people already have.
2) they could have released a CD of leftover songs which were unfinished and just put them out as they are. Cue multiple complaints about 'filler' and the sheer cheek of putting out half finished sketches and expecting fans to buy any old rubbish.
3) They could release a hybrid of finished but previously unbootlegged tracks and previously unbootlegged unfinished tracks, adding some latter day overdubs to the latter to make them sound finished.
4) They could release absolutely nothing at all.
Given the choice, I'd prefer option 3). Thats the option theyve chosen.
Although, that said, I wouldnt have objected to them filling out the CD with a few songs from option 1), which would have been in better quality than what was previously available.
However, its still a better alternative than the other three.
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The Greek
this is a joke to me another typical money grab .remixing exile to me is sacreligious .what are we gonna condone the repainting of the sistene chapel in the vatican because of a perceived smudge ?it's a masterpiece dont mess with it but too late i guess .so we will get some fancy booklet (oh woopie)and a making of dvd of exile instead of ladies and gentelman dvd (alternate night from houston).this sounds like garbage with the exception of the BONUS TRACKS .the only thing worth spending the money for ,but still once again jagger never misses a opportunity to pick the pockets of his diehard legions of fans .the jagger motto pay thru the nose for a tiny portion of the greatness
at the risk of being dubbed "unhappy," i must concur with my big fat greek friend's analysis...
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Blueranger
...f the folks don't like the 'new' tracks, then buy the 1 cd remaster. It's for people who doesn't care about archival releases anyway.
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Mathijs
Who cares actually...I mean, who's going to pay for it anyway? All this talk, and in the end we all will be downloading it for free the day it's released. So, we should be grateful they even bother releasing it, as they will probably only sell 4.352 CD's worldwide. And they know it.
Mathijs
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stoneswashed77
well, all i can say is.
i own 40 gb of music. and when i say i own i mean i have payed for everything of it. i never ever, not even once downloaded illegal. i would never steal music. and i would definately never steal rolling stones music.
maybe that comes from being a musician myself.
but even if you are not i think this might be a thing to think about again for some ppl.
Do you own any bootlegs!?