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TeddyB1018
Just consider the main players, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, and the delicacy of the situation may come into focus for you. Both have to sign off on the mixes. Until this thing is released, we won't know for certain what we'll get, but as of two weeks ago things were on track.
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Just consider the main players, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, and the delicacy of the situation may come into focus for you. Both have to sign off on the mixes. Until this thing is released, we won't know for certain what we'll get, but as of two weeks ago things were on track.
(reading between the lines) ...sounds to me like Mick Taylor DID do some work on it, but since Mick and Keith have to approve everything and there remains the possibility of them not approving anything Mick T. did, they don't want to announce that Mick T did anything until all is approved...it wouldn't look good if it got out (though it may already have) that Mick T. did some stuff and then none of it showed up on the release...
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TeddyB1018
In lieu of official news, I have assembled the following from a pretty much unimpeachable source, though things can always change:
In addition to the three Jagger has confirmed, "Following The River", "Plunder My Soul" and "Sophia Loren", look for the following to be on the new CD: "Scarlet" (Stones version, said to be amazing), "Loving Cup" (original version), "I Ain't Signifying" (aka Ain't Gonna Lie), "Aladdin Story" (with unbootlegged original Jagger vocal) and "Soul Survivor" (with original Keith vocal). They are looking to include at least some things that have not been bootlegged in these versions.
Don't look for these to be on this reissue: "Potted Shrimp" and "Highway Child". At least one of these has been determined to come from the Goats Head Sessions ("Potted Shrimp" I believe).
If this reissue works out, there is talk of following up with Goats Head Soup and, specifically, Some Girls.
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Gazza
'Deluxe 'em all, baby', I say. Original album + outtakes/alternates CD(s) + dvd
An even better alternative than a box set or two.
Pricier in the long run, but for a band that's created such a great body of work, worth the investment.
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TeddyB1018
In lieu of official news, I have assembled the following from a pretty much unimpeachable source, though things can always change:
In addition to the three Jagger has confirmed, "Following The River", "Plunder My Soul" and "Sophia Loren", look for the following to be on the new CD: "Scarlet" (Stones version, said to be amazing), "Loving Cup" (original version), "I Ain't Signifying" (aka Ain't Gonna Lie), "Aladdin Story" (with unbootlegged original Jagger vocal) and "Soul Survivor" (with original Keith vocal). They are looking to include at least some things that have not been bootlegged in these versions.
Don't look for these to be on this reissue: "Potted Shrimp" and "Highway Child". At least one of these has been determined to come from the Goats Head Sessions ("Potted Shrimp" I believe).
If this reissue works out, there is talk of following up with Goats Head Soup and, specifically, Some Girls.
I can understand them wanting to Deluxe Some Girls, but can't understand why they would Deluxe GHS before Sticky Fingers.
GHS certainly seems an odd choice. Maybe there are a lot of finished songs left over, just like there are for Some Girls? There certainly are a lot of 'unverified' (ie, uncirculated) titles cut for that record, although as they only recorded in Jamaica for three weeks, its hard to imagine too many songs being developed enough to the extent where they decided to finish them the following year.
Might it also be the case that the majority of finished (or nearly finished) songs that they recorded during the Sticky Fingers ended up being used on Exile (or on the upcoming deluxe version)? Most of whats left could be alternate versions of the released songs (not that thats necessarily a bad thing!)
Well, for starters, a Deluxe Sticky would have the Eric Clapton Brown Sugar, wouldn't it? You might be right about there being more GHS material in the vaults than Sticky material, but I'd much prefer alternate versions from the Sticky sessions to unreleased songs from the GHS sessions. Besides, How many people are gonna buy a Deluxe GHS? You gotta Deluxe the albums that were big sellers in the first place, like Sticky and Some Girls (the exception, of course, being the not-such-a-big-seller Exile, which is deserving of Deluxe treatment on artistic merit alone).
And with Sticky, you get artistic merit AND commercial viability!
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Gazza
'Deluxe 'em all, baby', I say. Original album + outtakes/alternates CD(s) + dvd
An even better alternative than a box set or two.
Pricier in the long run, but for a band that's created such a great body of work, worth the investment.
I'm not sure how practical that would be. That's why they gotta do Sticky Fingers, Some Girls, and maybe even Tatoo You, first, and see how well they sell. How many copies has the Deluxe GYYYO sold? I would guess a Deluxe GHS, IORR, or BAB would sell only a fraction of that, maybe about one-eighth of what GYYYO sold. You could count on your fingers and toes what the sales figures would be for a Deluxe of anything released AFTER Tatoo You.
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Well, I could easily see a GHS Deluxe release containing the original album paired with the Brussels Affair live album as a second disc. That would be the atomic bomb of Rolling Stones archival releases. Although '73 was such a great tour that Brussels really deserves to be a standalone release. Pretty easy to imagine every rock critic in the world falling all over themselves to praise it ala the How The West Was Won Zep release a few years back.
Hey, maybe they will save the GHS outtakes for a deluxe Tattoo You
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'Deluxe 'em all, baby', I say. Original album + outtakes/alternates CD(s) + dvd
An even better alternative than a box set or two.
Pricier in the long run, but for a band that's created such a great body of work, worth the investment.
I'm not sure how practical that would be. That's why they gotta do Sticky Fingers, Some Girls, and maybe even Tatoo You, first, and see how well they sell. How many copies has the Deluxe GYYYO sold? I would guess a Deluxe GHS, IORR, or BAB would sell only a fraction of that, maybe about one-eighth of what GYYYO sold. You could count on your fingers and toes what the sales figures would be for a Deluxe of anything released AFTER Tatoo You.
To me, its an option they should have taken instead of last year's Universal remasters - proven by the fact that the sales for those reissues (with no extras) have been horrendous. Its simply going to take something extra to be offered to persuade people to buy these albums again.
Maybe it wasnt practical due to the fact that it takes time to assemble such a release and it was essential to have the albums out in some form after EMI deleted the back catalogue, but its something that could have been done with a bit of forward planning as they knew a few years ago that their arrangement with EMI was coming to an end.
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the prospect of a deluxe GHS is fascinating, as it might prompt a wide reconsideration of the album.
I know it's fairly well regarded here (and rightly so) but I'd imagine it's still regarded as a turkey in wider circles. With some excellent outtakes (including maybe the unadorned versions of the tracks that ultimately wound up on Tattoo You, plus real finds like "Criss Cross Mind") and as disc 2 (or 3), the gem of Brussels--whose grandeur most rock fans are probably unaware of--it could be a milestone release.
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Its something that could be done over a period of years to make it affordable, and to give everyone involved a chance to spend the right amount of time on each release.
Doesn't have to be Mick and Keith doing all the donkey work either. Let some trusted archivists and researchers do all the dirty work, and then present suggestions to the band for their input and final approval. The Stones had no qualms about releasing Live Licks and Rarities even though it was quite evident they took no role in assembling the tracks and listening to the final product before releasing it - similarly they had no qualms about allowing guitar technicians to overdub guitar parts on the Biggest Bang DVD. So, as their quality control department seems to be in the toilet, why not entrust the heavy lifting for such a project to people who might do it right - with the proviso that in this case nothing gets put out under the band's name without them listening to it and approving it first of all.
I would imagine that Bob Dylan's role in his various Bootleg Series releases has been practically non existent. Hasn't done those albums any harm and he's still been playing 100 shows a year and making new music.
Theres absolutely no reason by now why a series of Stones archives projects couldnt be done, and done professionally - and it doesnt have to take up a great deal of the band's time either.
Ideally it'll be done while there's enough fans around who still care. In a few years time, it'll probably be too late.
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71Tele
Actually (and I know this is sacrilege to some) given the state of the band's playing on the last tour I would rather see their energies engaged in preserving their legacy thoughtfully than in trotting out another decrepit gynormous world tour of stadiums. Maybe a few special shows sprinkled in there.
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the prospect of a deluxe GHS is fascinating, as it might prompt a wide reconsideration of the album.
I know it's fairly well regarded here (and rightly so) but I'd imagine it's still regarded as a turkey in wider circles. With some excellent outtakes (including maybe the unadorned versions of the tracks that ultimately wound up on Tattoo You, plus real finds like "Criss Cross Mind") and as disc 2 (or 3), the gem of Brussels--whose grandeur most rock fans are probably unaware of--it could be a milestone release.
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ajc68
Count me as one of those that would be thrilled to see GHS get the deluxe treatment...and Some Girls is a no-brainer with the plothora of material from those sessions. It would be great to have the full-length versions of those songs as well.
Btw, can somebody email me info on how to get Stones boots. I stopped collecting about 10 years ago and no longer have any contacts. [email protected]
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What are the sales of U2's reissues that are remastered with all the bonus tracks on the second disc? There doesn't seem to be any concern over album sales. I haven't heard anything about the U2 reissues selling well.