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bassplayer617
I agree with Liddas completely, but of course, the conservatives CAN'T accept it. They are unwilling and unable to conceive the obvious, so it's pointless to argue with them.
And, inevitably, the old arguements will surface again.
Be forewarned, as the same old sh*t is prepeated ad nauseaum.
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T&A
ronnie's primary talents have always been as a slide player - he almost NEVER employed the slide with this band - so you can fully disagree or not, but the evidence speaks for itself...
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bassplayer617
LOL! Ok, here's a modernized version of "Tumbling Dice", with a nice bass guitar line by Darryl Jones and a decent lead by Ronnie. Oh, BTW, this sounds closer to the original version, WITH the Vegas-style background singers ad the horns, than the MT-era version ever did. Of course, this is the conservative version.
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That's fine with me, 71 Tele. At least you will readily admit that you're a confirmed Taylorite, and have basically written off the band for, uhh, the last 36 years or so. And that makes ME a conservative ? Okey dokey, then. We'll agree to disagree. C'est la vie, and vive la difference.
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liddas - Thank you for a well written post. I agree and I've posted many time Woody pumped new life into the band. Some Gorls shows a band clearly re-vitalized and Ron is a HUGE part of that he was a shot in the arm. It did not last because of the friction with Mick and Keith after Undercover they have not really been a working band so to speak. I wish more fans would take Liddas's approach to this subject all three second guitarists era's were all great in their own and different ways.
As a live band Tele71 is correct they were most consistent and powerful with Taylor but I seen and heard many great live moments with Ronnie in the band. We all also need to remember by 1985 the Rolling Stones had seen and done it "all" there was really no going up the band has had years of substance abuse they had peaked its not 1972 or 1978 these guys will most likely never be like that again. They live separate lives and don't hang out and write together.
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Doxa
A great, well-argued post by liddas!
It never occurred to me that Ronnie could have affected to Keith's playing but that might be true. But as far as SOME GIRLS go I would give the actual credits for Mick Jagger for the new sound examplified there. It is him following the trends pushing the band with his new fast songs and raw rhythm guitar to the new era.
Anyway, I would not quite say that Ronnie was "in the center", but he was still an important contributor to their sound in the last profilic, great era of the band had (1978-1982). But I still would claim that Ronnie's achievemnent was to strengthen the features the band already have, and not really giving new ones or leading them to a new terratory. Those 'funky' riffs he would offer to band were nice - a'la "Hey Negrita" - were great but the world greatest rhythmn guitarist who have the potentia of coming up with the best riffs ever made, was already in the band. But taking some of Keith's duties into his shoulders gave to real Keith more room to move and 'relax'. Perhaps that we the birth of "ancient art of weaving", examplified so goddamn well in 1978 and 1981/82 tours.
Would a term "Ronettes" to be equal to "Taylorites"?><
- Doxa
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DandelionPowderman
<His interpretations of Taylor-era songs are always below the standard Taylor set.>
YCAGWYW. Happy and Tumbling Dice were just as good with Ronnie in 75/76, imo. To this day, Happy And TD are better than they were with Taylor, imo. The rest was way better with Taylor.
Someone said Wood´s talent was mainly playing slide. Just listen to Hot Stuff on LYL and say that again. That is fantastic playing, imo.
I don't like the 76 TD version, either. Too similar to the slow and dragging 72/73 versions. TD in 89/90 was perfect, imo. What's wrong with Happy on LYL?? I happen to like Woody's slide playing on that track in particular better than Taylor's "country scale approach". Let's agree to disagree
I named Hot Stuff as an example of Woody's ability to play great solos without slide, as one on this board stated that slide playing was where he had his talent only. Taylor era song or not, as a guitar player I can say that Woody's solo on Hot Stuff is brilliant, whether you like LYL or not.
yes, in your opinion. I respectfully disagree. I think TD in '76 is awful compared to '73. So are the other two you mentioned. Hot Stuff is not a Taylor-era song. I think three of the four sides of LYL are utterly disposable. Far superior versions of the classics are available on Ya-Yas and on boots like Brussels.
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ablett
"Isn't it wonderful?"
NO. Bloody boring!
Why do these threads have to be overtaken by and handful of MT obsessives? It always turns into an MT devotion thats both tedious and been done to death.
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ablett
"Isn't it wonderful?"
NO. Bloody boring!
Why do these threads have to be overtaken by and handful of MT obsessives? It always turns into an MT devotion thats both tedious and been done to death.
Maybe. But when someone starts a thread about Ronnie's contribution, it invites the comparisons once again. Can't be helped. Maybe we should all agree to a trial 30-day moratorium of Ronnie vs. Taylor posts.
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ablett
"Isn't it wonderful?"
NO. Bloody boring!
Why do these threads have to be overtaken by and handful of MT obsessives? It always turns into an MT devotion thats both tedious and been done to death.
Maybe. But when someone starts a thread about Ronnie's contribution, it invites the comparisons once again. Can't be helped. Maybe we should all agree to a trial 30-day moratorium of Ronnie vs. Taylor posts.
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71Tele
Since you asked - I actually used to play a lot of Some Girls material in my band at the time: BOB, Imagination, Miss You, When The Whip Comes Down. The thrashy style of that record was loads of fun for us guitarists. There is a lot more room in those songs than in the more "classically" arranged Taylor-period songs.
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liddas
To add something to my earlier post, I have seen many great bands organized as the 73 stones. I have NEVER heard any band play as the Stones did in the 77 - 82 run. Never.
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liddas
To add something to my earlier post, I have seen many great bands organized as the 73 stones. I have NEVER heard any band play as the Stones did in the 77 - 82 run. Never.
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Superb point, liddas...though I must add...there may have been other bands 'organized' like the 1973 Rolling Stones, but none (that I ever saw or heard) flew as high and burned as brightly and intensely as those Stones...none...