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pricepittsburgh. There is absolutely zero filler on Exile. The reason for this is because every song that sounds like filler when you play it by itself, actually blends perfectly into the album as a whole. Sure there are certain songs that if you were to seek them out individually, might sound like a filler. However when exile is played in its entirety those songs fit the jam session vibe, or the feeling of just having a great time listening to a band on a stage in a bar. Once you get used to the album as a whole, then those individual songs can be played out of context, because you know the original context in your mind. But regardless of that, I don't think any of the songs listed as possible filler are even close the filler, because the band is clearly attempting to cover multiple genres in a certain type of atmosphere. The intent on none of those songs is to be filler. Filler is just a song you throw together for the sake of literally filling up space. But in the feel of this album it wasn't about filling up space, or they would have just made it a single album and kept the most traditional stuff on there. They wanted to create a longer album with the running feel or mood.Quote
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i Know, somebody will disagree! Its a great album --for sure. but---where is a song like "Midnight Rambler" Or "Sympathie"?.. Casino boogie--"turd on the run--i just seen his face---soul survivour--are "fillers" --I mentioned "Beggars" and "Bleed"-but what i like most is "Aftermath" and "out of our heads".
Hah. "Casino Boogie" would seem uto be the ultimate "filler", with nonsense lyrics just cobbled together from news headlines and scraps of paper. But, it's got Keith's bassline and Charlie's casual shuffle, Bobby's nasty two-note sax solo, and lines like "Dietrich movies, close up boogies, Kissing @#$%& in Cannes" and it's suddenly a great track. The stars just happened to line up for the band on Exile.
Not to forget the great ending of Casino Boogie, that is much too short and makes one longing for more and more.
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The only true filler on the album is I Just Want To See His Face and maybe, just maybe, Let It Loose.
However, it is not their greatest album to me. It is a great record, absolutely. But there are others that are better.
Blasphemy!
One of the things that make Exile so great, imo, is that it seems to hold up and just get better after many many listens. I'm one of those who was not impressed when I first heard it, it didn't have much of an impact but many years later it's one of the records I not only love, but never get tired of. It's like there is no upper limit to the enjoyment factor of Exile. Always something new to catch my ear and delight me after hundreds of listens.
Ha ha. Nice name change.
If you remove X amount of tracks and go with more up tunes, Let It Loose is one of a few that could be missed off. IJWTSF is absolutely filler.
That is the context. Does Let It Loose suck? No. I love EXILE. I listen to it often. And I like Let It Loose. But there are songs I tend to tune out. Sometimes I don't. It's a 5 star LP but there are times when, in context to LIB and SF, it's not. And sometimes even good songs that are not upbeat or in a certain vibe could be thought of as being left off. There's nothing wrong with that. But for some people... objectivity seems to be missing. That doesn't lessen EXILE.
Great album. One of their best. Indeed. And an absolute must have.
The thing about Exile is that people don't agree on what the "filler" is, and every cut has these amazing moments that you just remember. I mentioned "Casino Boogie", and "Let it Loose" is no different - Keith's Leslie'd guitar riff, Nicky's piano runs, Mick filling the spaces with wordless vocals (who's that woman on you ar-um ooh ooh), the unconventional song structure, the washed-out horns, and that girl repeating "let it loose, let all come down" in the fade. Damn, what an album.
I was using Let It Loose in context with the more up beat tunes if making EOMS into a single album... I wouldn't qualify Let It Loose as filler like Sweet Black Angel and I Just Want To See His Face are. The filler on EOMS is still miles above anything on DIRTY WORK onward, with exception to How Can I Stop.
I was already listening to Stones albums when Exile was released. The most important reviewer of one of Holland's most important quality papers and a specialist on pop/rock music considered Sweet Black Angel as the best song of the whole album. That's what I recall very well because I found it remarkable. Still, I don't think that song is filler at all, but neither "the best song of Exile".
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But... it is a double album and no band has ever had a flawless double album...
Your argument is fundamentally flawed.
You make two errors:
1) You erroneously assume the length of an album enjoys correlation to an unverifiable measure of 'flawless[ness].'
A double album is no more or less likely to achieve 'flawless[ness]' than a single one.
2) You employ an unverifiable means by which to judge the value of an album.
Can any album by the Stones be characterised as 'flawless'?
Can a single song?
Can a single note?
No.
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Just think, Olly - there are people that think DIRTY WORK is better than EOMS... they even like Winning Ugly.
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Just think, Olly - there are people that think DIRTY WORK is better than EOMS... they even like Winning Ugly.
No. i did not say DIRTY WORK was better than EOMS. that would clarify me as clinically insane. but i like it. especially keiths tracks on dirty work. i was so hungry for a stones album at the time it came out, i would of enjoyed them singing an album of Christmas carols..
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Just think, Olly - there are people that think DIRTY WORK is better than EOMS... they even like Winning Ugly.
No. i did not say DIRTY WORK was better than EOMS. that would clarify me as clinically insane. but i like it. especially keiths tracks on dirty work. i was so hungry for a stones album at the time it came out, i would of enjoyed them singing an album of Christmas carols..
You weren't by any chance hungry for a Bob Dylan album in October 2009 were you?
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The only true filler on the album is I Just Want To See His Face and maybe, just maybe, Let It Loose.
However, it is not their greatest album to me. It is a great record, absolutely. But there are others that are better.
Blasphemy!
One of the things that make Exile so great, imo, is that it seems to hold up and just get better after many many listens. I'm one of those who was not impressed when I first heard it, it didn't have much of an impact but many years later it's one of the records I not only love, but never get tired of. It's like there is no upper limit to the enjoyment factor of Exile. Always something new to catch my ear and delight me after hundreds of listens.
Ha ha. Nice name change.
If you remove X amount of tracks and go with more up tunes, Let It Loose is one of a few that could be missed off. IJWTSF is absolutely filler.
That is the context. Does Let It Loose suck? No. I love EXILE. I listen to it often. And I like Let It Loose. But there are songs I tend to tune out. Sometimes I don't. It's a 5 star LP but there are times when, in context to LIB and SF, it's not. And sometimes even good songs that are not upbeat or in a certain vibe could be thought of as being left off. There's nothing wrong with that. But for some people... objectivity seems to be missing. That doesn't lessen EXILE.
Great album. One of their best. Indeed. And an absolute must have.
The thing about Exile is that people don't agree on what the "filler" is, and every cut has these amazing moments that you just remember. I mentioned "Casino Boogie", and "Let it Loose" is no different - Keith's Leslie'd guitar riff, Nicky's piano runs, Mick filling the spaces with wordless vocals (who's that woman on you ar-um ooh ooh), the unconventional song structure, the washed-out horns, and that girl repeating "let it loose, let all come down" in the fade. Damn, what an album.
I was using Let It Loose in context with the more up beat tunes if making EOMS into a single album... I wouldn't qualify Let It Loose as filler like Sweet Black Angel and I Just Want To See His Face are. The filler on EOMS is still miles above anything on DIRTY WORK onward, with exception to How Can I Stop.
I was already listening to Stones albums when Exile was released. The most important reviewer of one of Holland's most important quality papers and a specialist on pop/rock music considered Sweet Black Angel as the best song of the whole album. That's what I recall very well because I found it remarkable. Still, I don't think that song is filler at all, but neither "the best song of Exile".
You have to laugh at some of these reviewers. I wonder what credentials they had or have sometimes to review album's such as this. some times it's like, are they playing the same album to the one i'm listening to.
Agreed kleermaker as nice as sweet black angel is, it does not come close to ten other outstanding tracks on exile..
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The only true filler on the album is I Just Want To See His Face and maybe, just maybe, Let It Loose.
However, it is not their greatest album to me. It is a great record, absolutely. But there are others that are better.
Blasphemy!
One of the things that make Exile so great, imo, is that it seems to hold up and just get better after many many listens. I'm one of those who was not impressed when I first heard it, it didn't have much of an impact but many years later it's one of the records I not only love, but never get tired of. It's like there is no upper limit to the enjoyment factor of Exile. Always something new to catch my ear and delight me after hundreds of listens.
Ha ha. Nice name change.
If you remove X amount of tracks and go with more up tunes, Let It Loose is one of a few that could be missed off. IJWTSF is absolutely filler.
That is the context. Does Let It Loose suck? No. I love EXILE. I listen to it often. And I like Let It Loose. But there are songs I tend to tune out. Sometimes I don't. It's a 5 star LP but there are times when, in context to LIB and SF, it's not. And sometimes even good songs that are not upbeat or in a certain vibe could be thought of as being left off. There's nothing wrong with that. But for some people... objectivity seems to be missing. That doesn't lessen EXILE.
Great album. One of their best. Indeed. And an absolute must have.
The thing about Exile is that people don't agree on what the "filler" is, and every cut has these amazing moments that you just remember. I mentioned "Casino Boogie", and "Let it Loose" is no different - Keith's Leslie'd guitar riff, Nicky's piano runs, Mick filling the spaces with wordless vocals (who's that woman on you ar-um ooh ooh), the unconventional song structure, the washed-out horns, and that girl repeating "let it loose, let all come down" in the fade. Damn, what an album.
I was using Let It Loose in context with the more up beat tunes if making EOMS into a single album... I wouldn't qualify Let It Loose as filler like Sweet Black Angel and I Just Want To See His Face are. The filler on EOMS is still miles above anything on DIRTY WORK onward, with exception to How Can I Stop.
I was already listening to Stones albums when Exile was released. The most important reviewer of one of Holland's most important quality papers and a specialist on pop/rock music considered Sweet Black Angel as the best song of the whole album. That's what I recall very well because I found it remarkable. Still, I don't think that song is filler at all, but neither "the best song of Exile".
You have to laugh at some of these reviewers. I wonder what credentials they had or have sometimes to review album's such as this. some times it's like, are they playing the same album to the one i'm listening to.
Agreed kleermaker as nice as sweet black angel is, it does not come close to ten other outstanding tracks on exile..
You don't dig Bill's bassline, or the end where Mick and Keith are singing "not a gun toting teacher, not a Red lovin' school marm; ain't someone gonna free her, free de sweet black slave, free de sweet black slave" as the harmonica comes in?
That reminds me of another thing I love about Exile - Keith's vocals on the four tracks on side 2. He's very prominent on vocals on those tracks, and he's just wailing - you can picture him sharing the mike w/Mick in the studio. Man, he had such a great voice in those days.
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The reason there are no clunkers or fillers on Exile is because every songs fits the mood created by the album. That's why Zeppelin I is so good and liked by so many non Zep fans. It has a dark dramatic thing going on all the way through.
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The reason there are no clunkers or fillers on Exile is because every songs fits the mood created by the album. That's why Zeppelin I is so good and liked by so many non Zep fans. It has a dark dramatic thing going on all the way through.
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The reason there are no clunkers or fillers on Exile is because every songs fits the mood created by the album. That's why Zeppelin I is so good and liked by so many non Zep fans. It has a dark dramatic thing going on all the way through.
This doesn't make sense to me.
Surely every album creates a mood of its own, inherently created by and adhered to by every track contained therein.
How can a song contradict the mood of an album it is included on?
Your point also suggests that a diverse album cannot be a high quality one.
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The reason there are no clunkers or fillers on Exile is because every songs fits the mood created by the album. That's why Zeppelin I is so good and liked by so many non Zep fans. It has a dark dramatic thing going on all the way through.
This doesn't make sense to me.
Surely every album creates a mood of its own, inherently created by and adhered to by every track contained therein.
How can a song contradict the mood of an album it is included on?
Your point also suggests that a diverse album cannot be a high quality one.
I only said that the feel of Exile prevent the songs from being filler. Certainly many albums that don't have a running feel may lack fillers. Revolver by The Beatles is a good example. But exile lacks filler to me and it has a running feel while actually being diverse. Exile is many diverse types of Americana music, while creating a jam session mood.
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The reason there are no clunkers or fillers on Exile is because every songs fits the mood created by the album. That's why Zeppelin I is so good and liked by so many non Zep fans. It has a dark dramatic thing going on all the way through.
This doesn't make sense to me.
Surely every album creates a mood of its own, inherently created by and adhered to by every track contained therein.
How can a song contradict the mood of an album it is included on?
Your point also suggests that a diverse album cannot be a high quality one.
I only said that the feel of Exile prevent the songs from being filler. Certainly many albums that don't have a running feel may lack fillers. Revolver by The Beatles is a good example. But exile lacks filler to me and it has a running feel while actually being diverse. Exile is many diverse types of Americana music, while creating a jam session mood.
But if the term 'filler' has been defined in relation to quality, aren't quality and mood distinct entities? One doesn't necessarily effect the other.
I can appreciate your sentiment though.
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EXILE is not overrated but some of the songs are...
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Which three Sticky songs are not better than anything on Exile ?
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Which three Sticky songs are not better than anything on Exile ?
I Got The Blues (love the first two verses but then I get bored), You Gotta Move and Sister Morphine.
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Which three Sticky songs are not better than anything on Exile ?
I Got The Blues (love the first two verses but then I get bored), You Gotta Move and Sister Morphine.
Surprising...your thesis and your picks.
As usual it's always a matter of taste.
Beside the nellcote/nostalgia factor Exile and SF are the albums I like the most with BB and LIB coming close.
The term "overrate" doesn't fit at all in this context.
Maybe it's used by some to describe one's dislike or non-preference towards an album,song or whatever which is highly regarded by many or a certain group of people to whom one feels connected because of a common interest.
Or simply the opposite - to stress a deep dislike towards an existing or assumed common sense.
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''Exile'' is a tad overrated.
Shine a Light
All Down The Line
Tumbling Dice
Happy
Loving Cup
Let It Loose
Rocks Off
Sweet Virginia
Those eight tracks are as good as anything on Sticky Fingers IMO.
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I received my first copy of Exile as vinyl of course, as a gift bought back from the UK to Perth about 2 months after its release. But about 2 weeks before its release in Australia!
I went to my parents friends house (they bought it back for me) and before going home, gave it a spin on their really nice Pye (!) Stereogram.
I had not read any reviews.
This is after living with Sticky Fingers for about a year or so.
As it played I thought.... WHAT IS THIS? This is a great record player...I had thought at the time...yet this sounds so muddy... Dense... Thick.... Awful.
Despondent, I repackaged it, apologised to my parents friends for having made them suffer through THAT, AND WENT HOME.
IT took me another 2 or so weeks to play it again. After then having read a couple of reviews, one sort of complimentary, the other a pasting.
This time round, on my parents Grundig, it still sounded wrong. Yet, I could hear something. I persevered. Much to my parents dismay. Shine A Light. Yep. Let it Loose. Yep. Tumbling Dice. Oh yes. Happy. I was. Ventilator Blues. Yep. Soul Survivor. Oh yes. Hmmmm, not too bad. Casino boogie... Yes, thats ok. Sweet Black Angel, oh that's nice too. Turd on the Run. Gee, that's got a nice feel. All Down the Line... That's GREAT. SWEET Virginia. Sorry about THAT word Mum! Nice little track though, right? Let's try the beginning again. Rocks off...hmmm maybe, but Rip this Joint, Shake your Hips. Woo yeah. I AM shaking them! Loving Cup... Oh that's nice too. Stop Breaking Down...yep, dig that too.
WHAT was it I didn't like about this when I first played it, I asked myself? The songs are uniformly great. The playing so intuitive, the sound? It actually sounds like they are... right there in front of me. That's no bad thing. Yes, it's thick, full, and rich. It's dense. It's Rock and Roll. Jesus song? Grown on me thru the years.
But that song, the Jesus song, was the song on my first few listens that just made me ambivalent towards the whole record. Thank goodness that did not last!
Over rated? You're kidding. Under rated if anything!
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EXILE is not overrated but some of the songs are...
I think I understand what you mean. There are 7 songs on Sticky Fingers that are better than anything on Exile (at least they're catchier) but the 'scholarly' Stones fan generally rates Exile higher because of its unrestrained rootsiness, Nellcote, and the nostalgia it evokes. It probably is overrated. My ex-wife surely thought so. I remember playing Let It Loose for her and then waiting with breathless anticipation for her life to change. It didn't, of course. 'Yeah, it's nice,' was all she said.
This thread sort of reminds me of the Wandering Spirit vs Talk Is Cheap death match. Like treaclefingers, I think many of us were surprised that song for song Keith got clobbered since most 'true' Stones fans have generally rated TIC higher. I still do. I enjoyed Wandering Spirit when it came out but in the end it's really just a collection of decent Stonesy songs but listening to TIC in university with Jack & weed was almost a transcendental experience.
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EXILE is not overrated but some of the songs are...
I think I understand what you mean. There are 7 songs on Sticky Fingers that are better than anything on Exile (at least they're catchier) but the 'scholarly' Stones fan generally rates Exile higher because of its unrestrained rootsiness, Nellcote, and the nostalgia it evokes. It probably is overrated. My ex-wife surely thought so. I remember playing Let It Loose for her and then waiting with breathless anticipation for her life to change. It didn't, of course. 'Yeah, it's nice,' was all she said.
This thread sort of reminds me of the Wandering Spirit vs Talk Is Cheap death match. Like treaclefingers, I think many of us were surprised that song for song Keith got clobbered since most 'true' Stones fans have generally rated TIC higher. I still do. I enjoyed Wandering Spirit when it came out but in the end it's really just a collection of decent Stonesy songs but listening to TIC in university with Jack & weed was almost a transcendental experience.
Wow........I don't think ANY track on SF is "better", than everything on Exile. The songs on Exile are of consistently high quality. I NEVER, have been in the middle of a side and thought, "Damn, I wish Brown Sugar was next!" Dead Flowers is awesome, but it's"country lite" compared to T&F, SV or LC. But it is all opinion.....