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Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 30, 2015 02:12

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But... it is a double album and no band has ever had a flawless double album...

Not sure about that. Exile is one, for me. The others I mentioned, White Album and Quadophenia as well. Ones I haven't mentioned ... Clash, London Calling -- No flaws on that one. U2, Rattle & Hum.

If you were realistic about the content of EXILE... THE BEATLES has shite on it as well. RATTLE AND HUM? HA HA! That's hilairous. Perhaps if ACHTUNG had had everything they recorded for it released it would've been a better double LP than R&H...

As I said, NO double album is flawless. It's not possible. If one chooses to be deaf to the truth, fine, but realistically, it's not possible. Even the Stones admit that.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: June 30, 2015 02:51

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But... it is a double album and no band has ever had a flawless double album...

Not sure about that. Exile is one, for me. The others I mentioned, White Album and Quadophenia as well. Ones I haven't mentioned ... Clash, London Calling -- No flaws on that one. U2, Rattle & Hum.

If you were realistic about the content of EXILE... THE BEATLES has shite on it as well. RATTLE AND HUM? HA HA! That's hilairous. Perhaps if ACHTUNG had had everything they recorded for it released it would've been a better double LP than R&H...

As I said, NO double album is flawless. It's not possible. If one chooses to be deaf to the truth, fine, but realistically, it's not possible. Even the Stones admit that.

I was realistic on Exile's content ... and read thru the thread, it's backed up by many a listener. White Album is similar to me, the songs some think are filler are actually brilliant in their own way. Rattle is quite amazing, laugh all you want. Also, you didn't point out any flaws in either Quadrophenia or London Calling. No flaws to be found - the comment that "no double album is flawless" proves untrue.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: 1969Fan ()
Date: June 30, 2015 03:03

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But... it is a double album and no band has ever had a flawless double album...

Not sure about that. Exile is one, for me. The others I mentioned, White Album and Quadophenia as well. Ones I haven't mentioned ... Clash, London Calling -- No flaws on that one. U2, Rattle & Hum.

If you were realistic about the content of EXILE... THE BEATLES has shite on it as well. RATTLE AND HUM? HA HA! That's hilairous. Perhaps if ACHTUNG had had everything they recorded for it released it would've been a better double LP than R&H...

As I said, NO double album is flawless. It's not possible. If one chooses to be deaf to the truth, fine, but realistically, it's not possible. Even the Stones admit that.

Although not a Stones album, The Wall is about as close as one can get to a 'flawless' double album. It's my desert island album. James Guthrie, who is to Floyd what Bob Clearmountain is to the Stones, announced he is working on a 5.1 surround mix of The Wall for SACD and / or DVD Audio release. It will be epic in surround sound. The layers of sound that are everywhere in the 2-channel mix may be isolated and placed around the sound stage. When Floyd performed The Wall live in 1981 they played into a 4 channel surround system they set up at the venues. And the live 2010 Roger Waters The Wall performances were in surround as well. So it's natural that the album should be in surround. Guthrie did 5.1 surround mixes of Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here. He announced work on The Wall in December 2011. It's June 2015. So...?

Speaking of surround, the ABKO Stones SACDs are mono or 2-channel, depending on the song. That works for the Stones. The only use I could see for 5.1 would be Ya Ya's and perhaps the other live CDs. They could put the band on the front left, center, and right channels; and put the audience and MSG ambience on the left and right surround channels. There are 5.1 bootlegs of Beggar's, LIB, SF,and Exile. The only Stones song that is available as an 'official' 5.1 mix (other than the live DVDs) is an ABKCO SACD 5.1 surround mix of Sympathy. Again, Stones' songs may not necessarily benefit from surround sound. Floyd's and some others' songs do.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: roller99 ()
Date: June 30, 2015 04:07

Funny thread. I used to think Exile was overrated too. Over time it's really grown on me. I just think it could have been a single album. I'm always confused by the comparison to the Beatles. Other than having existed in the same time and space, these two groups are so different there is no comparison. The Beatles are closer in sound to The Hollies than anyone. The Stones have no contemporaries. Go find another band that did blues, country, rock, rock and roll, ballads, etc, and practically defined what rock music would sound like throughout the 70's but did it in the 60's, and stayed together 50+ years then you'll have a comparison.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: drbryant ()
Date: June 30, 2015 07:43

For me, Sticky Fingers and Exile seem like they could almost be a three disc set.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: mr edward ()
Date: June 30, 2015 11:14

No, it isn't. It's a masterpiece.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: June 30, 2015 14:37

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Although not a Stones album, The Wall is about as close as one can get to a 'flawless' double album.

I could never put The Wall up there w/ the other great double albums, on my own personal list. It has a solid 5 or 6 songs that I don't like at all.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: 1962 ()
Date: June 30, 2015 14:38

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No, it isn't. It's a masterpiece.

+1

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: June 30, 2015 16:19

i wonder, is it possible for the stones to re create the basement at Nellcote and record the next album in it. try to replicate all the recording equipment.
could it be possible ???

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: June 30, 2015 16:22

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But... it is a double album and no band has ever had a flawless double album...

Not sure about that. Exile is one, for me. The others I mentioned, White Album and Quadophenia as well. Ones I haven't mentioned ... Clash, London Calling -- No flaws on that one. U2, Rattle & Hum.

If you were realistic about the content of EXILE... THE BEATLES has shite on it as well. RATTLE AND HUM? HA HA! That's hilairous. Perhaps if ACHTUNG had had everything they recorded for it released it would've been a better double LP than R&H...

As I said, NO double album is flawless. It's not possible. If one chooses to be deaf to the truth, fine, but realistically, it's not possible. Even the Stones admit that.

I was realistic on Exile's content ... and read thru the thread, it's backed up by many a listener. White Album is similar to me, the songs some think are filler are actually brilliant in their own way. Rattle is quite amazing, laugh all you want. Also, you didn't point out any flaws in either Quadrophenia or London Calling. No flaws to be found - the comment that "no double album is flawless" proves untrue.

That's such bullspeak if I've ever read it. That's as accurate as a newspaper poll.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: 1969Fan ()
Date: June 30, 2015 17:23

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i wonder, is it possible for the stones to re create the basement at Nellcote and record the next album in it. try to replicate all the recording equipment.
could it be possible ???

You can't go home again. IMHO Exile is a masterpiece and what made it so cannot be duplicated.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: June 30, 2015 17:27

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But... it is a double album and no band has ever had a flawless double album...

Not sure about that. Exile is one, for me. The others I mentioned, White Album and Quadophenia as well. Ones I haven't mentioned ... Clash, London Calling -- No flaws on that one. U2, Rattle & Hum.

If you were realistic about the content of EXILE... THE BEATLES has shite on it as well. RATTLE AND HUM? HA HA! That's hilairous. Perhaps if ACHTUNG had had everything they recorded for it released it would've been a better double LP than R&H...

As I said, NO double album is flawless. It's not possible. If one chooses to be deaf to the truth, fine, but realistically, it's not possible. Even the Stones admit that.

I was realistic on Exile's content ... and read thru the thread, it's backed up by many a listener. White Album is similar to me, the songs some think are filler are actually brilliant in their own way. Rattle is quite amazing, laugh all you want. Also, you didn't point out any flaws in either Quadrophenia or London Calling. No flaws to be found - the comment that "no double album is flawless" proves untrue.

That's such bullspeak if I've ever read it. That's as accurate as a newspaper poll.

If you've ever read it? Have you read anything on those? Go check some reviews, both old and new, see what you find out. It's NOT just MY opinion here.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: drbryant ()
Date: June 30, 2015 17:33

Exile - has there ever been a band so locked in? Amazing stuff.







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Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: drbryant ()
Date: June 30, 2015 17:39

Hmm can't seem to post this.




Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: Witness ()
Date: June 30, 2015 17:43

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Although not a Stones album, The Wall is about as close as one can get to a 'flawless' double album.

You are, of course, entitled to your own views. But if you insist on it towards other persons' views, I for one who love some of Pink Floyd's output (PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN, a couple of singles from 1967, MEDDLE) and do like other parts of it, I can't stand THE WALL (and THE FINAL CUT). THE WALL may be flawless in what it is, but it holds no attraction to me. To be polite, I abstain from one rather harsh characterization in two words. [Said as one,by the way, who also love Tangerine Dream's PHAEDRA and ATEM.]

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: Naturalust ()
Date: June 30, 2015 17:52

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The only true filler on the album is I Just Want To See His Face and maybe, just maybe, Let It Loose.

However, it is not their greatest album to me. It is a great record, absolutely. But there are others that are better.

Blasphemy! grinning smiley

One of the things that make Exile so great, imo, is that it seems to hold up and just get better after many many listens. I'm one of those who was not impressed when I first heard it, it didn't have much of an impact but many years later it's one of the records I not only love, but never get tired of. It's like there is no upper limit to the enjoyment factor of Exile. Always something new to catch my ear and delight me after hundreds of listens.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: roller99 ()
Date: June 30, 2015 17:54

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The only true filler on the album is I Just Want To See His Face and maybe, just maybe, Let It Loose.

However, it is not their greatest album to me. It is a great record, absolutely. But there are others that are better.

Blasphemy! grinning smiley

One of the things that make Exile so great, imo, is that it seems to hold up and just get better after many many listens. I'm one of those who was not impressed when I first heard it, it didn't have much of an impact but many years later it's one of the records I not only love, but never get tired of. It's like there is no upper limit to the enjoyment factor of Exile. Always something new to catch my ear and delight me after hundreds of listens.

Exactly how I feel. Hated it at first. Love it now.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: 2000man ()
Date: June 30, 2015 18:04


Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: drbryant ()
Date: June 30, 2015 18:06

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The only true filler on the album is I Just Want To See His Face and maybe, just maybe, Let It Loose.

However, it is not their greatest album to me. It is a great record, absolutely. But there are others that are better.

Blasphemy! grinning smiley

Iterestingly, in Lenny Kaye's lukewarm review in Rolling Stone, he cited "Let It Loose" as one of the two classics on the album (the other being "Tumbling Dice")

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: Naturalust ()
Date: June 30, 2015 18:16

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The only true filler on the album is I Just Want To See His Face and maybe, just maybe, Let It Loose.

However, it is not their greatest album to me. It is a great record, absolutely. But there are others that are better.

Blasphemy! grinning smiley

Iterestingly, in Lenny Kaye's lukewarm review in Rolling Stone, he cited "Let It Loose" as one of the two classics on the album (the other being "Tumbling Dice")

His 1972 review was pretty spot on for a first listen kind of analysis. I wonder how Mr. Kaye would review the record today? Slow fuse is the best description for Exile and I'm pretty sure the bomb probably went off for him by now. smoking smiley

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: Stones50 ()
Date: June 30, 2015 19:32

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i Know, somebody will disagree! Its a great album --for sure. but---where is a song like "Midnight Rambler" Or "Sympathie"?.. Casino boogie--"turd on the run--i just seen his face---soul survivour--are "fillers" --I mentioned "Beggars" and "Bleed"-but what i like most is "Aftermath" and "out of our heads".

Ironically is is UNDERRATED

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: andrewt ()
Date: June 30, 2015 19:40

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But... it is a double album and no band has ever had a flawless double album...

Not sure about that. Exile is one, for me. The others I mentioned, White Album and Quadophenia as well. Ones I haven't mentioned ... Clash, London Calling -- No flaws on that one. U2, Rattle & Hum.

If you were realistic about the content of EXILE... THE BEATLES has shite on it as well. RATTLE AND HUM? HA HA! That's hilairous. Perhaps if ACHTUNG had had everything they recorded for it released it would've been a better double LP than R&H...

As I said, NO double album is flawless. It's not possible. If one chooses to be deaf to the truth, fine, but realistically, it's not possible. Even the Stones admit that.

I was realistic on Exile's content ... and read thru the thread, it's backed up by many a listener. White Album is similar to me, the songs some think are filler are actually brilliant in their own way. Rattle is quite amazing, laugh all you want. Also, you didn't point out any flaws in either Quadrophenia or London Calling. No flaws to be found - the comment that "no double album is flawless" proves untrue.

That's such bullspeak if I've ever read it. That's as accurate as a newspaper poll.

If you've ever read it? Have you read anything on those? Go check some reviews, both old and new, see what you find out. It's NOT just MY opinion here.

Well do you really need both Quadrophenia and The Rock on the album? I Am The Sea?

The Card Cheat? Lovers Rock and Revolution Rock aren't necessary. That's some Sandinista Side Five action there.

But I love both those records.

It's just easy to pick things apart.

I could do without Sweet Black Angel on Exile I suppose, it's kind of trite IMO.

And at the same time, I also could listen to a double album of Exile outtakes and think it is genius, so I admit I am somewhat biased.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: powerage78 ()
Date: June 30, 2015 19:44

In that case, IF Exile is overrated, what can we say about Back in Blue, Undercover, Bridge to Babylon and A Bigger Bang ?

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: 1969Fan ()
Date: June 30, 2015 20:29

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Although not a Stones album, The Wall is about as close as one can get to a 'flawless' double album.

You are, of course, entitled to your own views. But if you insist on it towards other persons' views, I for one who love some of Pink Floyd's output (PIPER AT THE GATES OF DAWN, a couple of singles from 1967, MEDDLE) and do like other parts of it, I can't stand THE WALL (and THE FINAL CUT). THE WALL may be flawless in what it is, but it holds no attraction to me. To be polite, I abstain from one rather harsh characterization in two words. [Said as one,by the way, who also love Tangerine Dream's PHAEDRA and ATEM.]

Well said, Witness. I enjoy reading the divergent opinions IORR threads generate. Bottom line is that although we have widely differing points of view, we're all fans of the Greatest Rock and Roll Band in the World. Rock On!

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: shortfatfanny ()
Date: June 30, 2015 20:59

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In that case, IF Exile is overrated, what can we say about Back in Blue, Undercover, Bridge to Babylon and A Bigger Bang ?

Then we can say Back to Babylon and Bridge in Blue are forgotten masterpieces.


Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: kleermaker ()
Date: June 30, 2015 21:50

I think qualifications like underrated/overrated don't say anything. But in the case of Exile I think it's indeed the cult factor that plays a role and tends to make it bigger than it is.

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: drbryant ()
Date: June 30, 2015 22:03

Well, one thing for sure - it definitely isn't underrated. (from Wikipedia)

Aggregate scores
Source Rating
Metacritic 100/100

Review scores
Source Rating
AllMusic 5/5 stars
The A.V. Club A
Robert Christgau A+
Entertainment Weekly A+
NME 10/10
Pitchfork Media 10/10
Q 5/5 stars
Rolling Stone 5/5 stars
The Rolling Stone Album Guide 5/5 stars
Uncut 5/5 stars



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Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: HearMeKnockin ()
Date: June 30, 2015 22:05

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Well, one thing for sure - it definitely isn't underrated. (from Wikipedia)

Aggregate scores
Source Rating
Metacritic 100/100

Review scores
Source Rating
AllMusic 5/5 stars
The A.V. Club A
Robert Christgau A+
Entertainment Weekly A+
NME 10/10
Pitchfork Media 10/10
Q 5/5 stars
Rolling Stone 5/5 stars
The Rolling Stone Album Guide 5/5 stars
Uncut 5/5 stars

I'd say it's rated exactly where it oughta be. hot smiley

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: kleermaker ()
Date: June 30, 2015 22:07

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Well, one thing for sure - it definitely isn't underrated. (from Wikipedia)

Aggregate scores
Source Rating
Metacritic 100/100

Review scores
Source Rating
AllMusic 5/5 stars
The A.V. Club A
Robert Christgau A+
Entertainment Weekly A+
NME 10/10
Pitchfork Media 10/10
Q 5/5 stars
Rolling Stone 5/5 stars
The Rolling Stone Album Guide 5/5 stars
Uncut 5/5 stars

I'd say it's rated exactly where it oughta be. hot smiley

Read the reviews from back then and you'll get a totally other impression: 3/5 at best smiling smiley

Re: "Exile" is overrated
Posted by: HearMeKnockin ()
Date: June 30, 2015 22:16

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Well, one thing for sure - it definitely isn't underrated. (from Wikipedia)

Aggregate scores
Source Rating
Metacritic 100/100

Review scores
Source Rating
AllMusic 5/5 stars
The A.V. Club A
Robert Christgau A+
Entertainment Weekly A+
NME 10/10
Pitchfork Media 10/10
Q 5/5 stars
Rolling Stone 5/5 stars
The Rolling Stone Album Guide 5/5 stars
Uncut 5/5 stars

I'd say it's rated exactly where it oughta be. hot smiley

Read the reviews from back then and you'll get a totally other impression: 3/5 at best smiling smiley

No kidding, kleerie... sad smiley I just read the original Rolling Stone review, and that guy hammered "Stop Breaking Down" (said it should've been on Jamming with Edward), half of "Shine A Light", "Casino Boogie", and he dismissed "Loving Cup" as "faceless"... and he said "Rocks Off" was them "going through the motions"... sheesh...

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