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Maybe you can provide some more examples of this constant exploitation. She has a lot of silly ideas about how best to keep his memory alive, but if she's exploiting anything, it's his life and work, not his death.
That seems to me like Phil Spector logic.
Fry him in the Chair?
Its hardly the first time she's put some momentoes of his death (his spectacles being another example) on display on some exhibition or another. Personally I find it somewhat ghoulish.
If any of the Stones would get shot I wouldn´t see anything wrong in displaying the clothes, given the right circumstances.
Karl is Charles in english.
I honestly think (and I mean no disrepect) that John would think the whole thing was a hoot.
He could be quite "flexible" in terms of commercialism and publicity when the mood suited him.
And of course if it keeps Yoko in the public domain, he would support that also.
That's hard to know, but we ARE talking about the same John Lennon who, along with Yoko, released an album in 1969 (Life With The Lions) which contains a recording of his and Yoko's dying baby's heartbeat. He was a REAL artist, and REAL artists don't care if you're shocked and appalled by what they do.
The "song", recorded while Yoko was having one of her three miscarrages, is called "Baby's Heartbeat", and runs over five minutes in length. It's the baby's actual heartbeat, recorded with a special microphone. The liner notes include the credit
John Ono Lennon II - Heartbeat (track 3 only)
The "song", recorded while Yoko was having one of her three miscarrages, is called "Baby's Heartbeat", and runs over five minutes in length. It's the baby's actual heartbeat, recorded with a special microphone. The liner notes include the credit
John Ono Lennon II - Heartbeat (track 3 only)[/quote]
Wow - I am really appalled at this. I've had a few similar unfortunate instances as discussed above - and recording the heartbeat would be the very last thing on my mind. This is most disrespectful and heartless.
Thumbs down on this one for me. Not cool John, not cool at all.
FAKE!
It's not (!) the original video, I think. At least I have a different one on an old VHS, which I just watched to check it, and those pix are not included.
The thread title is wrong and misleading. It should be "Unopened Bag With Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display Again".
I too think it's a piece of history and, artistically, a powerful statement. I would critizise Yoko if she'd make a happening of opening it in front of an audience or if she'd actually open it and put those clothes on display.
Anyway, you can watch a lot of famous peoples "death clothes" in museums all over the world, as well as weapons with which they were killed etc...I could do without all this, but murder is part of the world we live in.
Wow - I am really appalled at this. I've had a few similar unfortunate instances as discussed above - and recording the heartbeat would be the very last thing on my mind. [/quote]
It wouldn't occurr to me to do that either. It is, however, something a genius might do, particularly if the only way he knew how to deal with his own pain was to turn it into profoundly personal, albeit harrowing, art.
I recommend that you stick with Meet The Beatles.
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Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
tatters
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Date: May 13, 2009 16:25
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mryapp
I find it hard to bash Yoko, I really do. I have never joined in on the hate-a-thons toward her. She is her own person, unique. I like her.
People were very unkind to her, calling her ugly and saying she broke up the Beatles. Not true.
She went through Hell when her husband was murdered. I simply can't imagine the pain she must have endured. If someone killed my wife, you may as well dig two graves, because without her, there would be no point in going on.
Yoko did go on, doing what she wanted to do.
Good for her.
Most of that sentiment I can pretty much empathise with. Its the constant exploitation of Lennon's shocking murder - which she witnessed - in the name of 'art' that I have a problem with, though.
Maybe you can provide some more examples of this constant exploitation. She has a lot of silly ideas about how best to keep his memory alive, but if she's exploiting anything, it's his life and work, not his death.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
Bimmelzerbott
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Date: May 13, 2009 17:10
Chapman shoot the wrong one.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
jlowe
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Date: May 13, 2009 22:09
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Bimmelzerbott
Chapman shoot the wrong one.
That seems to me like Phil Spector logic.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
Baboon Bro
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Date: May 13, 2009 23:56
When I grew up we werent taught to wish ther life out of people.
But if I should; I'd wish it out of Chapman. Is he still alive, that creep?
But if I should; I'd wish it out of Chapman. Is he still alive, that creep?
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
oldkr
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Date: May 14, 2009 00:06
I'm sure this will add to the half billion she makes every year from his legacy.
OLDKR
OLDKR
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
jlowe
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Date: May 14, 2009 00:14
Yes Chapman is alive and well, living in a State hospital/institution. Probably in a type of solitary confinement, I guess - to avoid likely retaliation from his fellow inmates.
Can't really see him being released - I believe Yoko has not supported any applications for parole.
Can't really see him being released - I believe Yoko has not supported any applications for parole.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
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Baboon Bro
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Date: May 14, 2009 00:15
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jlowe
Yes Chapman is alive and well, living in a State hospital/institution. Probably in a type of solitary confinement, I guess - to avoid likely retaliation from his fellow inmates.
Can't really see him being released - I believe Yoko has not supported any applications for parole.
Fry him in the Chair?
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: May 14, 2009 00:26
Chapman has applied for parole 5 times since first being eligible in 2001
His last attempt at parole was August 2008 and will be able to reapply again in 2010 ....
ROCKMAN
His last attempt at parole was August 2008 and will be able to reapply again in 2010 ....
ROCKMAN
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: May 14, 2009 00:27
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GazzaQuote
mryapp
I find it hard to bash Yoko, I really do. I have never joined in on the hate-a-thons toward her. She is her own person, unique. I like her.
People were very unkind to her, calling her ugly and saying she broke up the Beatles. Not true.
She went through Hell when her husband was murdered. I simply can't imagine the pain she must have endured. If someone killed my wife, you may as well dig two graves, because without her, there would be no point in going on.
Yoko did go on, doing what she wanted to do.
Good for her.
Most of that sentiment I can pretty much empathise with. Its the constant exploitation of Lennon's shocking murder - which she witnessed - in the name of 'art' that I have a problem with, though.
Maybe you can provide some more examples of this constant exploitation. She has a lot of silly ideas about how best to keep his memory alive, but if she's exploiting anything, it's his life and work, not his death.
Its hardly the first time she's put some momentoes of his death (his spectacles being another example) on display on some exhibition or another. Personally I find it somewhat ghoulish.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
Deltics
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Date: May 14, 2009 01:22
Not too much to see, really:
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
Beelyboy
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Date: May 14, 2009 01:27
yuck bad idea
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
Deltics
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Date: May 14, 2009 01:35
Yoko used the photo that some scumbag took of Lennon dead in the video for "Woman":
Beautifully done, I thought.
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Beautifully done, I thought.
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
Bärs
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Date: May 14, 2009 10:27
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Bärs
I don't really see the problem here. In Stockholm (Livrustkammaren) we can see the exact uniform king Charles XII was wearing when he got shot in 1718. And I've seen the same book Elvis was reading the moment he died. It's just history now.
I reckon you are not so much over 40 years of age, bärs?
And in my book the King's name was Karl.
If any of the Stones would get shot I wouldn´t see anything wrong in displaying the clothes, given the right circumstances.
Karl is Charles in english.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: May 14, 2009 15:13
shame on yoko .such poor taste .does she not have any respect for her departed husband? what would john think? i am sure he would not be amused with this ?.she should just fade away .
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
jlowe
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Date: May 14, 2009 16:12
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The Greek
shame on yoko .such poor taste .does she not have any respect for her departed husband? what would john think? i am sure he would not be amused with this ?.she should just fade away .
I honestly think (and I mean no disrepect) that John would think the whole thing was a hoot.
He could be quite "flexible" in terms of commercialism and publicity when the mood suited him.
And of course if it keeps Yoko in the public domain, he would support that also.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
tatters
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Date: May 14, 2009 16:24
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The Greek
shame on yoko .such poor taste .does she not have any respect for her departed husband? what would john think?
That's hard to know, but we ARE talking about the same John Lennon who, along with Yoko, released an album in 1969 (Life With The Lions) which contains a recording of his and Yoko's dying baby's heartbeat. He was a REAL artist, and REAL artists don't care if you're shocked and appalled by what they do.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
tatters
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Date: May 14, 2009 17:01
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tattersQuote
The Greek
shame on yoko .such poor taste .does she not have any respect for her departed husband? what would john think?
That's hard to know, but we ARE talking about the same John Lennon who, along with Yoko, released an album in 1969 (Life With The Lions) which contains a recording of his and Yoko's dying baby's heartbeat. He was a REAL artist, and REAL artists don't care if you're shocked and appalled by what they do.
The "song", recorded while Yoko was having one of her three miscarrages, is called "Baby's Heartbeat", and runs over five minutes in length. It's the baby's actual heartbeat, recorded with a special microphone. The liner notes include the credit
John Ono Lennon II - Heartbeat (track 3 only)
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
stonesrule
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Date: May 14, 2009 18:28
Yoko has never been a major talent and has been riding John's coat tails since the beginning.
I recall seeing a major exhibition seemingly focused on John's life in Paris in 2005. I looked forward to it with great anticipation. When I arrived, it was a huge exhibition, which Yoko had financed.
Liverpool and anything to do with The Beatles or other people in John's life was so briefly itouched on that I thought I must have missed an entire room...But no this vast display was at least 90 percent about YOKO with John.
I recall seeing a major exhibition seemingly focused on John's life in Paris in 2005. I looked forward to it with great anticipation. When I arrived, it was a huge exhibition, which Yoko had financed.
Liverpool and anything to do with The Beatles or other people in John's life was so briefly itouched on that I thought I must have missed an entire room...But no this vast display was at least 90 percent about YOKO with John.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
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Date: May 14, 2009 18:54
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tattersQuote
tattersQuote
The Greek
shame on yoko .such poor taste .does she not have any respect for her departed husband? what would john think?
That's hard to know, but we ARE talking about the same John Lennon who, along with Yoko, released an album in 1969 (Life With The Lions) which contains a recording of his and Yoko's dying baby's heartbeat. He was a REAL artist, and REAL artists don't care if you're shocked and appalled by what they do.
Now that's gruesome. I never knew that before. That seems worse than just showing a bag.
The "song", recorded while Yoko was having one of her three miscarrages, is called "Baby's Heartbeat", and runs over five minutes in length. It's the baby's actual heartbeat, recorded with a special microphone. The liner notes include the credit
John Ono Lennon II - Heartbeat (track 3 only)
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
CindyC
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Date: May 14, 2009 19:08
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tatters
which contains a recording of his and Yoko's dying baby's heartbeat. He was a REAL artist, and REAL artists don't care if you're shocked and appalled by what they do.
The "song", recorded while Yoko was having one of her three miscarrages, is called "Baby's Heartbeat", and runs over five minutes in length. It's the baby's actual heartbeat, recorded with a special microphone. The liner notes include the credit
John Ono Lennon II - Heartbeat (track 3 only)[/quote]
Wow - I am really appalled at this. I've had a few similar unfortunate instances as discussed above - and recording the heartbeat would be the very last thing on my mind. This is most disrespectful and heartless.
Thumbs down on this one for me. Not cool John, not cool at all.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
The Stones
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Date: May 14, 2009 19:11
There sure is some serious Yoko bashing going on here. Cut her some slack, will ya!
It's almost 30 years ago that Lennon was killed and if this matter is carried out in a proper fashion, I don't have any objections really.
It's almost 30 years ago that Lennon was killed and if this matter is carried out in a proper fashion, I don't have any objections really.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
CindyC
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Date: May 14, 2009 19:14
Why cut her slack?
She doesn't care what people think, that much is obvious.
She doesn't care what people think, that much is obvious.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
Papo
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Date: May 14, 2009 19:52
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Deltics
Yoko used the photo that some scumbag took of Lennon dead in the video for "Woman":
Beautifully done, I thought.
FAKE!
It's not (!) the original video, I think. At least I have a different one on an old VHS, which I just watched to check it, and those pix are not included.
The thread title is wrong and misleading. It should be "Unopened Bag With Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display Again".
I too think it's a piece of history and, artistically, a powerful statement. I would critizise Yoko if she'd make a happening of opening it in front of an audience or if she'd actually open it and put those clothes on display.
Anyway, you can watch a lot of famous peoples "death clothes" in museums all over the world, as well as weapons with which they were killed etc...I could do without all this, but murder is part of the world we live in.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
Anonymous User
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Date: May 14, 2009 21:09
you are correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote
Bimmelzerbott
Chapman shoot the wrong one.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
tatters
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Date: May 15, 2009 06:13
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tatters
which contains a recording of his and Yoko's dying baby's heartbeat. He was a REAL artist, and REAL artists don't care if you're shocked and appalled by what they do.
The "song", recorded while Yoko was having one of her three miscarrages, is called "Baby's Heartbeat", and runs over five minutes in length. It's the baby's actual heartbeat, recorded with a special microphone. The liner notes include the credit
John Ono Lennon II - Heartbeat (track 3 only)
Wow - I am really appalled at this. I've had a few similar unfortunate instances as discussed above - and recording the heartbeat would be the very last thing on my mind. [/quote]
It wouldn't occurr to me to do that either. It is, however, something a genius might do, particularly if the only way he knew how to deal with his own pain was to turn it into profoundly personal, albeit harrowing, art.
I recommend that you stick with Meet The Beatles.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
whitem8
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Date: May 15, 2009 06:34
Tatters good response.
Yeah, good to reflect on John and Yoko's art. And their use of shock to jog some thought. Anyone see fly? 20 minutes of a fly crawling around on John's cock! Well I am sure John would have supported Yoko's new art display, and it really does make you think about the pain and tragic loss around that event. And perhaps things like this art exhibit will help the parole board at Attica (Attica State! Sometime in NY City!) decide that Marck D. Chapman should never see the light of day!
Yeah, good to reflect on John and Yoko's art. And their use of shock to jog some thought. Anyone see fly? 20 minutes of a fly crawling around on John's cock! Well I am sure John would have supported Yoko's new art display, and it really does make you think about the pain and tragic loss around that event. And perhaps things like this art exhibit will help the parole board at Attica (Attica State! Sometime in NY City!) decide that Marck D. Chapman should never see the light of day!
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
MKjan
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Date: May 15, 2009 07:11
Art, a word that can be used to describe just about anything. What Yoko does is all crap. When you don't have talent, you just get weird and spend some money on the publicity.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
stonesrule
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Date: May 15, 2009 07:12
"their use of shock to jog some thought..."
THere was a great deal more to Yoko's love of attention than "thought" OR "art."
It's a fact.
THere was a great deal more to Yoko's love of attention than "thought" OR "art."
It's a fact.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
MKjan
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Date: May 15, 2009 07:41
Yoko has no talent, but because she wants to be seen as an artist, and has Lennon and lots of bucks to get herself publicity, we have to suffer from time to time when she makes noise. Everything Yoko does is crap.
Re: OT: Lennon's Bloody Clothes On Display
Posted by:
whitem8
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Date: May 15, 2009 09:07
Fact? to judge art using facts when judging art is purely subjective. You may not like Yoko. You may not like her art. But she is indeed a well respected artist in her own right. And was before meeting Lennon! She had a long resume of some ground breaking art, and again you may not like her or her art, but you cannot persume to think you can have the qualifications to say what is and what isn't art.
And again, you (collective here) may think everything she does is crap. However, she has a large body of work indepdent of Beatle John, which was one of the reasons he was so drawn to her, and inspired by her. Some of the hateful and down right sickening comments regarding her on this website is astounding. The lack of compassion and empathy from would be critics talking as is they are the definitive word on what art is and judging her motives without having an iota of understand of who she is as a person. And the complete and utter lack of compassion towards a woman that was clearly deeply in love with her partner and having to face a tremendous loss in her life. THat idot that joked about Chapman shooting the wrong one is something that is almost as sickening as Mark David Chapman. People get a grip and start thinking about empathy and love.
Now to move on to Yoko as an artist. Please read up a bit on her and some of the stuff she accomplished. Listen to some of her early work. I mean please, listen to Sister O Sister, you may not like it, but it spurrned a whole generation of new wave femail singers, from Deborah Harry to the B-52's. And again, Lennon was deeply inspired by her, she was his muse, and kept him on the ground by not worshiping his Beatleness... I guess sites like this really show the diversity of humanity from caring objective people to down right ignorant narcacistic creeps who only like to press other people's buttons. And others who think they are the definitive word on what is good and what is bad.
And again, you (collective here) may think everything she does is crap. However, she has a large body of work indepdent of Beatle John, which was one of the reasons he was so drawn to her, and inspired by her. Some of the hateful and down right sickening comments regarding her on this website is astounding. The lack of compassion and empathy from would be critics talking as is they are the definitive word on what art is and judging her motives without having an iota of understand of who she is as a person. And the complete and utter lack of compassion towards a woman that was clearly deeply in love with her partner and having to face a tremendous loss in her life. THat idot that joked about Chapman shooting the wrong one is something that is almost as sickening as Mark David Chapman. People get a grip and start thinking about empathy and love.
Now to move on to Yoko as an artist. Please read up a bit on her and some of the stuff she accomplished. Listen to some of her early work. I mean please, listen to Sister O Sister, you may not like it, but it spurrned a whole generation of new wave femail singers, from Deborah Harry to the B-52's. And again, Lennon was deeply inspired by her, she was his muse, and kept him on the ground by not worshiping his Beatleness... I guess sites like this really show the diversity of humanity from caring objective people to down right ignorant narcacistic creeps who only like to press other people's buttons. And others who think they are the definitive word on what is good and what is bad.
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