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LOGIE
...another great picture from the first Wembley show courtesy of Philip Kamin:
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LOGIE
You have friends?
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LOGIE
You have friends?
I have to detail them for you? OK
My friends, Adam, Bob, Vicky and Bruce all enjoyed the finale at Roundhay Park. Plus another couple of friends I got to know later. One was Colin. He was on acid at Roundhay. So he doesn't count!
Sorry to spoil your party, Logie, but as I've mentioned to you before, this Wembley gig was the lowest low point in my Stones-watching life. Worse than '76. In '76 they had some sort of excuse in a a junked out Keith, and Mick popping pills every three minutes. In '82 Keith was relatively clean and (as witness She's so Cold) he was completely 'out to lunch'. Mick could hardly be bothered to sing.
Wembley 1990 was a far more exultant affair, with totally engaged Mick and Keith back in furious flow. The demeanour and presence of the 1990 Keith is more convincing on just about every level than the one pictured above.
But I enjoyed reading Hoskins' review again. Perhaps he saw the Saturday gig, as I did. Perhaps your Friday gig was that much better? My friend Nick and his girlfriend certainly enjoyed it
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Doxa
Sorry, I need to keep these coming. I can't resist. Anyone who think the soft-porn version of "Jumping Jack" in ABB is worth of any praise, should take a look at this... in the end of the song, there is a long pause while teh people cry for an encore. Anyone here spotted in the audience?
- Doxa
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BritneyThanx I would love a copy! Maybe it's best to post it here or one of the trackers so all the Wembley 82 fanatics can relive the moment?Quote
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Has the "Make The World Go Round" vinyl boot ever made to a CD-R transfer? I recall some moons ago Silkcut announced an attempt but as far as I know it has never seen the light of day...
Yeah the playin was sloppy at times but they sure rocked.
Britney - I have transferred my vinyl to CD-R. Let me know if you would like a copy.
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LOGIE
You have friends?
I have to detail them for you? OK
My friends, Adam, Bob, Vicky and Bruce all enjoyed the finale at Roundhay Park. Plus another couple of friends I got to know later. One was Colin. He was on acid at Roundhay. So he doesn't count!
Sorry to spoil your party, Logie, but as I've mentioned to you before, this Wembley gig was the lowest low point in my Stones-watching life. Worse than '76. In '76 they had some sort of excuse in a a junked out Keith, and Mick popping pills every three minutes. In '82 Keith was relatively clean and (as witness She's so Cold) he was completely 'out to lunch'. Mick could hardly be bothered to sing.
Wembley 1990 was a far more exultant affair, with totally engaged Mick and Keith back in furious flow. The demeanour and presence of the 1990 Keith is more convincing on just about every level than the one pictured above.
But I enjoyed reading Hoskins' review again. Perhaps he saw the Saturday gig, as I did. Perhaps your Friday gig was that much better? My friend Nick and his girlfriend certainly enjoyed it
Having attended the Leeds gig myself, and found it to be hugely disappointing by comparison to the first Wembley show, it perhaps places into persepective just how much more your friends would have enjoyed the London opener. In fact they'd have been knocked out, as was myself and (seemingly) tens of thousands of others, including several on this board.
On the other hand, if, like yourself, your pals regard clips from youtube as their sole guiding light to what's good and bad in this world, then God help them.
...and God help yourself (and anyone else) who may feel that sheer, unadulterated raunch is obviously not their thing.
Still, at least Barney Hopkins had an agenda to fulfil (from his editor).
What were you doing there?
...obviously not partying!
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Dear Logie,
"sheer, unadulterated raunch" ? Yes, well many classless garage bands have that in abundance - and some can play better and with more passion and commitment. A lot of punk bands, for example.
God Help Me for not going just to experience "sheer unadulterated raunch"?
I had hugely enjoyed "Still life". It boded well. Guitars engaged and the band more or less on all four cylinders. So I had high expectations. What was I doing there? Hoping to experience a great show along those lines from my favourite R&R band. Much as yourself, I expect.
What I witnessed on the Saturday was a shabby band with a singer who soon lost interest. I remember distinctly the offhand way he threw lines away, especially the "Oh baby, that's what I like" from Chantilly Lace. I attended the gig with other Stones fans who were all non-plussed. (Their names are: Jem, Kim,
and Nicky). Havn't seen them in ages. Kim and Nicky are now in Australia. Jem lives in Poland where he organises rock tours, including, in 1996, Mick Taylor.
btw i didn't believe Roundhay Park was a good gig just because some friends said so. I think they all enjoyed the "event" - as many enjoyed Knebworth, when also, the Stones were below par.
I think the Youtube clips (the couple I've clicked on) do clearly show that the band was a mess.
I don't find it difficult to believe that the Friday night show was better than the Saturday.
I think the 1982 tour was much less consistent than the 1981 tour. I found it interesting on another recent thread that Mick (and Ronnie?) didn't really want to do it. I think it's generally agreed that he was totally fed up with Keith and Ronnie by the end of that tour.
By 1990 they were playing as a tight and committed unit again. Nick Kent's criticism of that tour (on a "J'Accuse" program - BBC2?) was unfair. He was using criticisms that were applicable to 1982 Tour - Jagger's generally arrogant, disinterested attitude to the audience, for example.
I also don't agree with you that the Stones were somehow regaining their crown after punk and new-wave had 'gone'. There were more interesting things happening musically at the time. And The Clash had not died. They were at the top of their 'game' - they were th real rock MacCoy in 1982.
I happened to like a lot of the early eighties synth bands. A freshness and originality. Spandau. Depeche Mode. Human League. Never seen them or bought a record - but an interesting time musically nevertheless. Tears For Fears.
God Help Me? Well not all music is about "sheer, unadulterated raunch", is it?
I trust not. I believe not. (Not implying that you do either). But it wasn't a question of Stones having some genuine relevance in comparison to the rest of the musical scene - (I think Hoskins is right there) - any more than it was in in 1989/1990, when there was a lot of good, current music (more guitar-based again at that time).
Look forward to discussing this again in person.
Friend in the North
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BritneyThanx I would love a copy! Maybe it's best to post it here or one of the trackers so all the Wembley 82 fanatics can relive the moment?Quote
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Britney
Has the "Make The World Go Round" vinyl boot ever made to a CD-R transfer? I recall some moons ago Silkcut announced an attempt but as far as I know it has never seen the light of day...
Yeah the playin was sloppy at times but they sure rocked.
Britney - I have transferred my vinyl to CD-R. Let me know if you would like a copy.
Er, that's a bit beyond my PC capabilities I'm afraid. However I'm more than happy to provide a CD-R snail mail to someone who will post it.
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The GR
As much as I enjoyed Wembley and Leeds 82, the second and third shows at Wembley 1990 were better.
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shortfatfanny
Has been posted here on IORR somewhere already but I think fits pefectly in this great thread.
Newcastle - Time is on my side
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Doxa
There is one odd thing about the 1982 tour- that was the tour I was following as a kid - even though not entering on any shows because it was too much asked for a teenager to travel to another country to see a band that still had quite a bad boy reputation, and taking the nature and habits of the crowds at the time ... But it was all over the media (of course, the media of the day); in almost every Finnish newspaper and magazine was a sort of reportage of the Ullevi or other shows, I think the whole 1981/82 was a huge triumph for the band - it was the first 'huge' stadium tour, and I think the band was more popular than ever (the interest outside the hardcore fanbase towards the band was perhaps biggest, at least). After the punk, new wave,just before the big heavy rock movement, they were like bringing the point back home, reminding of the 'original' nature of rock and roll, and I think they had a great image among the youngsters, including me, They felt almost immortal, 8th wonder of the world, and untouchable by any snobbish critics like that NME guy.
But odd thing has been recognizing that the band - even though it looked perhaps stronger than ever to outside - had a really hard time. Looking Wyman's account of it is ROLLING WITH THE STONES makes it almost a 'lost' tour. Not much good memories - their reherseals were merely bad ones, band out of direction, personal relationship worse than ever, a lot ot of fighting between Mick and Keith, Ronnie deep in dope, etc. Jagger seemed to be really fed up with Keith and Ron - and wasn't interest at all to make the european leg - and after that there wouldn't a tour for seven years.
But at the time there was no sign at all of their 'inner' problems. So that was news to me afterwards to learn of how bad memories they had of that triumphal tour.
Just an observation.
- Doxa
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LOGIE
Pete Townshend did pecisely this as early as 1977, by aiming the Who Are You album directly at the american market, and though never openly admitting to it, Jagger might well have had this in mind with Some Girls.