Officially, Andrew produced TSMR, even though he was absent for a lot of the recording sessions... essentially they produced it themselves. What would have happend had they not got Jimmy Miller? Hmmm...
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He also overdubbed new takes(drums and bass for example) over original parts on some of the albums!!! I forget which one(s).
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...as a pop band, but times changed and so did the stones.
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Mick has said that one of the things that pissed him off re Brian was the fact that he didn't really want to be in it anymore, but carried on anyway.
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LA FORUM Wrote: Ruby Tuesday could have been > co-written with Brian (who says he only played > flute on it?). The people who cant tell the difference between a recorder and a flute.
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with sssoul Wrote: > i wonder how many are mostly Mick's music + > Keith's lyrics ... Now that's interesting!
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Tumblin_Dice_07 Wrote: > That being said....I'm sure their were occasions > where Mick or Keith wrote an entire song by > themselves and brought it in to the band.....Mick > is said to have done this with "Dead Flowers". ... and Sympathy for the Devil, Jigsaw Puzzle.
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Odd-beat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What is any closer then? I dont know, every format is a compromise, pick the one that pleases your ears.
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No Expectations is all Keith I believe... Lovely!
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Odd-beat Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The closest a consumer can get, then? And without > blasting our hearing away... Certainly not vinyl, simply put, that was the medium of the times nothing more.
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"Virgin - Pipes of Pan was their only official CD release." Did Virgin actually re-release that? I have a CD but it's on a different label.
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But vinyl is not a true representation of a master tape.
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It all depends when this hypothetical sacking would take place. And of course, the stones exist without keith on some recordings, they dont suffer from his absence imo.
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I think he's meaning the shapes, not the actual chord names. Regardless of capo's... Live he starts with the G chord, but on the studio version he starts with a D chord shape.
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You know, I dont even know what I'm trying to get at myself now. There was a point somewhere, but I've lost it... haha.
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What year(s) did Keith recieve drug convictions that held?
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with sssoul Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > of course it's not a competition - but it is a > discussion. we already know you're into the > historical stuff, > and leaving out 75% of the facts in order to > "support" a point simpy isn't like you, dear. > have some popcorn anyway :E I dont really like the 70
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sorry, but the break inbetween 1966-1969 is a bit different.
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Why do I need to do better? It's not a competition! Bill's rolling with the stones is full of little comments about working around Keith's problems and visa worries and so on, Page 408 onwards in particular.
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They did a short European tour in 1967... No one was able to hear much music at gigs because of screaming anf rioting, 1967 was especially bad for riots, so in all probablitiy this was the major factor in them stopping. Add to that all the internal problems going on, plus the Beatles stopped touring before to concentrate on recording and showed that it could work.
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I know they have toured Europe in 1970-71, but I'm obviously focusing on the USA... It's very telling that they didn't tour the usa in 1970, 1971, 1973 and 1974. I think it's more that they HAD to tour in 1969 so Brian not being able to, physically, mentally and most likely legally, nor wanting to obviously forced the issue of his leaving. But all this Keith'
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Once you move away from the first pressings, generally speaking quality tends to get inferior, thinner vinyl, sometimes a different master is used, reduced packaging and so on.
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Anyone can be replaced, you just have to find someone to fill the spot, whether it works or is accepted by the public is another matter.
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LA FORUM Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not Hendrix, Brian. And it was 1965 and I'm moving > on. Lol. Memory loss. But Brian's great. I knew who you meant.
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Gazza Wrote: > 2. Keith was never so incapacitated that he was > unable to contribute creatively. Brian was. Keith > was also never refused a visa due to a drug > conviction so was always able to tour. Brian would > almost certainly not have been able to get into > the US in 1969, rendering his future status in the > band somewhat limited. Keith has had worse drug
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LA FORUM Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yeah but actually he plays a mean slide on Doncha > bother me (think thats the one) live in early > 1967. And he rocks. Where, when?
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Hah, no it's just long sustained-feedback notes.
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For those who have the stones April 11th 1967 gig, check out the start of satisfaction, sounds like Brian is laying down some 'out there' fuzz-feedback guitar ala hendrix!
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Also... playing a vinyl album is more of an 'event', you have the nice larger cover to admire(especially if the album has a far out sleeve) and you have to get up to change sides. I find I 'concentrate' more when I listen to an lp... Active listening! CD's encourage passive listening, but they are way more handy for working out parts and so on.
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1969/1970 was a ripe time for big changes in groups... So imo Keith could have been replaced circa 1969, he wasn't seen the same way as he is now, or since circa 1972. There are some bands who have replaced a key member and still gone on to greater things, ie The Yardbirds. Of course, they would have sounded VERY different and may even have brought about a name change if they had. B
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