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Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: March 4, 2021 07:33

To get a clue about some mysterious songs in this collection, I' ve started this thread. Forgive me, if you are not interested.

Listening to circulating versions and using Nico's website and your help, these are my thoughts about the sources. Please tell me, if you think I'm wrong or if someone got better infos.

I try to keep this up to date for while, so there will be a lot of edits in this post.


01- Nobody's Perfect
Nobody's Perfect
19850716-0817 RPM Studios, NYC

02- Trouble's a Coming
Troubles A' Comin - version II (version I is 'Break Away' FP 090), thanks JordyLicks96 & dcba
19790122-0212 Compass Point Studios, Nassau Bahamas

03- Dreams to Remember
Dreams To Remember, thanks dcba
19821111-1219 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

04- Don't Lie to Me
Don't Lie To Me
19850115-0228 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

05- Fiji Jim
Fiji Jim - version III
19771010-19780302 Pathé-Marconi Studios

06- Eliza Upchink
Eliza Upchink - version III
19821111-1219 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

07- Deep Love
Deep Love - version II, MJ on vocals
19850716-0817 RPM Studios, NYC

08- She's Doing Her Thing
She's Doing Her Thing (vocal version of 'Title 15' aka 'Dream Pipe')
19671002-05 Olympic Sound Studios and De Lane Lea Studio

09- Putty in your Hands
Putty In Your Hands
19850405-0617 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

10- Dog Shit
Big Truff - version II (aka 'Dog Shit'), thanks dcba
19830400-0801 Compass Point Studios & Hit Factory NY

11- 20 Nil
20 Nil
19970313-0700 Ocean Way Recording Studios

12- Tell Her How It Is
Tell Her How It Is (vocal version of 'Potted Shrimps' -instr.-)
19701017-31 Olympic Sound Studios & Stargroves

13- (You Better) Stop That
Stop That - version IV
19821111-1219 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

14- Scarlet
Scarlet - version X, different to GHS-Deluxe mix from 1.52 onwards, no oberdubs
20200400- MJ's Home Studio
or
14- Scarlet
Scarlet - version II or III, no oberdubs
19741005-18 Island Studios & Sinus Studios

15- Walk With Me Wendy
Walk With Me Wendy
1970 Olympic Studios

16- Never Make You Cry
Never Make You Cry - version III, clearer mix (@ 3.55), shorter as version II
19771010-19780302 Pathé-Marconi Studios

17- Part of the Night
Part Of The Night - version II, vocal version of 'Golden Caddy', (version I is in 'Birds Vault 3'), thanks TooTough and atsu69
19821111-1219 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

18- Low Down
Low Down - version I, KR on vocals
19970313-0700 Ocean Way Recording Studios

19- It's a Lie
It's A Lie - version III, with less harm (or horn) @ 0.26 than version I, earlier faded out
19790610-1019 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

20- I Can't See No One Else
I Can't See No One Else - version III aka 'Beside You', slightly different and shorter mix than version II, thanks gotdablouse
19850405-0617 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

21- Not the Way to Go
Not The Way To Go - version III (diff. lyrics & without guitar solo @ 2.43 compared to v. II), thanks atsu69
19780826-0906 RCA Studios, Los Angeles

22- Giving It Up
Giving It Up - version II with additional piano (@ 0.30)
19890329-0505 Air Studios, Montserrat

23- Hands Off
Hands Off - version II, finished version (aka 'It's Alright' on 'Voodoo Brew'), thanks TooTough
19930709-1211 Windmill Lane Recording & RW's House, Dublin

24- Built That Way
Built That Way - vocal version of 'Boogie Jam' - instr. ('Smack & Blow') aka 'Heatwave'
19750122-0209 Rotterdam Sessions, MRU

25- Keep It Cool
Keep It Cool - version IV (vers. I, II, III are on StonyRoad's FP 065), thanks atsu 69
19821111-1219 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

26- Can't Find Love
Can't Find Love - version VII - finished version
19821111-1219 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

27- You Win Again
You Win Again - version II (less instruments @ 0.47)
19771010-19780302 Pathé-Marconi Studios

28- Blood Red Wine
Blood Red Wine
19680513-23 Olympic Sound Studios, London

29- Fast Talking Slow Walking
Fast Talking, Slow Walking - version II, different bridge @ 4.10, thanks gotdablouse
19740208-0300 Musicland Studios, Muenchen

30- Cookin' Up
Cooking Up - version V, shorter and different stereo mix of IV
19821111-1219 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

31- Every Time I Break Her Heart
Every Time I Break Her Heart (with 'Far Away Eyes' theme, early version?), thanks dcba
19771010-19780302 Pathé-Marconi Studios

32- Dream About
Dream About
19970313-0700 Ocean Way Recording Studios

33- Flip the Switch
Flip The Switch - version I, KR on vocals
19970313-0700 Ocean Way Recording Studios

34- Sanctuary
Sanctuary
19970313-0700 Ocean Way Recording Studios

35- Desperate Man
Desperate Man
19970313-0700 Ocean Way Recording Studios

36- Praire Love
Prairie Love (sounds like an early version of 'Rain Fall Down'), thanks gotdablouse
19970313-0700 Ocean Way Recording Studios

37- Living in the Heart of Love
Living In The Heart Of Love - version II, different vocal mix, shorter
19740208-0303 Musicland Studios, Muenchen

38- Still in Love
Still In Love - version VI, shorter vocal version of V (pedal steel version)
19821111-1219 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

39- I Tried to Talk Into It
Tried To Talk Her Into It - version III, no echo @ bridge 2, longer
19821111-1219 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

40- Might As Well Get Juiced
Might As Well Get Juiced - version I, long version
19970313-0700 Ocean Way Recording Studios

41- Too Many Cooks
Too Many Cooks - version III (long version)
19731200 Los Angeles, The Record Plant

42- Curtis Meets Smokey
Curtis Meets Smokey
19690417-0702 Olympic Sound Studios, London

43- Covered in Bruises
Covered In Bruises
19771010-19780302 Pathé-Marconi Studios

44- Ivy League
Ivy League - version III, finished version
19930709-1211 Windmill Lane Recording & RW's House, Dublin

45- Too Tight
Too Tight - version II, KR on vocals
19970313-0700 Ocean Way Recording Studios

46- Criss Cross
Criss Cross (Save Me) - version IV (new version, no bell @ 0.10), thanks atsu69
19730528 onwards, London, Island Recording Studios

47- Strictly Memphis
Strictly Memphis - version V (with additional brass @ 1.58, without Bobby's 'Well Well' before Mick starts singing. For version I-IV see StonyRoad's info on FP 098), thanks atsu69
19850405-0617 Pathé-Marconi Studios, Paris

48- It's Only Rock'N'Roll (But I Like It)
It's Only Rock 'n' Roll (But I Like It) - version I
19731204-06 Ron Woods Home Studio

49- Extreme Western Grip
Extreme Western Grip
20020513-0607 Studio Guillaume Tell, Suresnes, Paris, Licks Sessions

50- Well Well
Well Well Well
20020513-0607 Studio Guillaume Tell, Suresnes, Paris, Licks Sessions


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20210406: I've added the sources of the 7 new tracks, posted kindly by Davie137.

19830400-19830801: Compass Point Studios & Hit Factory:
-Undercover Of The Night, new version, close to version VI on Nico's site

1985015-19850228 Pathé-Marconi Studios:
-Don't Mess With Cupid, new track

19930709-19931211 Windmill Lane Recording & Ron Woods House:
-You Got Me Rocking, new version with KR on vocals, close to version III on Nico's site
-Don't Want Somebody Else, new track

19970313-19970700 Oceanway Recording Studios:
-Might As Well Get Juiced, version II, new version
-Low Down, version II with KR on vocals, new version
-Saint Of Me, version I, new version



Edited 49 time(s). Last edit at 2021-10-24 13:24 by BlueTurns2Grey.

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: GivenToFly15 ()
Date: March 4, 2021 09:45

Don't Lie To Me is clearly from a recent source. Sounds almost "Blue & Lonesome" to me.

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: henrik87 ()
Date: March 4, 2021 10:13

Here's my guess for some:

20 Nil
A Bigger Bang sessions 2004 -> drums sound like on ABB

Dream About
A Bigger Bang sessions 2004 -> Mick's demo -> maybe an embryonic of Streets of Love

Sanctuary
Voodoo Lounge sessions 1994 -> grown version of some of the Zulu fun mixes?

Desperate Man
Bridges to Babylon 1997 -> trebly sound like BtB, also drums and Keith's licks on the blonde Tele sound 100% like BtB tracks

Praire Love
Bridges to Babylon or A Bigger Bang sessions?

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: TooTough ()
Date: March 4, 2021 11:26

The snare sound might be helpful to organize this mess grinning smiley

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: TooTough ()
Date: March 4, 2021 11:36

This should be sticky on Tell Me.
This is a task for swarm intelligence!

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 4, 2021 12:07

smoking smiley



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Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: March 4, 2021 12:24

Quote
His Majesty
Quote
BlueTurns2Grey
I first posted this in another thread, but to get a clue about some mysterious songs, I' ve started this as a new theme. Forgive me, if you are not interested.

Listening to circulating versions and using Nico's Website, these are my thoughts about the sources. Please tell me, if you think I'm wrong.



08- She's Doing Her Thing
She's Doing Her Thing
19671002-05 Olympic Sound Studios and De Lane Lea Studio


The vocal, organ and additional guitar are most definitely not from the 60's, but from late 70's or 80's.

You're right and that also happened to a lot of other tracks on this 3-cd set. But I left it, where I found some information. The guitar-hero versions of SCB, SFTD and GS for example are also mixed later, but it's hard to find a later source for this. Of course, nothing is carved in granite, any other source info is welcome. Thanks for your info.

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 4, 2021 12:25

thumbs up

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: alexander paul ()
Date: March 4, 2021 16:47

Don't lie to me probably from Oct. 20 1987 with Jeff Beck, see Nico Zentgraf.

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: March 4, 2021 16:50

Quote
alexander paul
Don't lie to me probably from Oct. 20 1987 with Jeff Beck, see Nico Zentgraf.

Thank you!

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: Lynd8 ()
Date: March 4, 2021 17:27

Thanks for starting this! It's truly such an amazing collection, I hope we can clear up what the heck we're listening to LOL.

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: March 4, 2021 18:06

What about Trouble's a Coming??!
On which sessions they recorded it?

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: March 4, 2021 19:50

"03- Dreams to Remember"

Herr Zentgraf has an entry for this song title linked to the Nov.82 UC sessions.
To me it's in fact a cover of the Otis Redding tune "I've Got Dreams to Remember".

"04- Don't Lie to Me
1987-10-20 Country Club"
Really? With Jeff Beck on lead guitar? I hear none of the farting sounds... sorry guitar pyrotechnics Beck is famous for. There's no whammy bar wanking on that recording. Therefore I doubt it's from 1987.



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Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: JordyLicks96 ()
Date: March 4, 2021 20:21

Quote
KRiffhard
What about Trouble's a Coming??!
On which sessions they recorded it?

This is almost the exact same song as "Break Away" from the Emotional Rescue sessions. Most likely a different take but if you listen to the muffled vocals on this version you can make out Mick singing "Trouble's A Coming."

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Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: Rambler62 ()
Date: March 5, 2021 13:10

WALK WITH ME WENDY sounded like early 70ies late 60ies!

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: dcba ()
Date: March 5, 2021 13:30

Cd1tr13 "Stop That" has more complete lyrics than the 3 previous versions plus it includes a pedal-steel track by Ron.

So I'd name it "Stop That IV".

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: March 5, 2021 14:28

Quote
dcba
Cd1tr13 "Stop That" has more complete lyrics than the 3 previous versions plus it includes a pedal-steel track by Ron.

So I'd name it "Stop That IV".

I'm with you, I also named it version IV

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: Adams ()
Date: March 5, 2021 15:56

The drums sound in Dream About is very much like one in Flip The Switch

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: Muddyw ()
Date: March 5, 2021 16:03

Their sound on Bridges To Babylon is miles better or more beatiful then on A Bigger Bang. Every part sounds full: drums, bass, the guitar by Keith (on fire like on Mixed Emotions), full force.

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: TooTough ()
Date: March 6, 2021 01:08

Quote
BlueTurns2Grey

23- Hands Off
Get Your Hands Off - version III
, more finished version (source unsure)
19930709-1211 Windmill Lane Recording & RW's House, Dublin

In my archive (and on Voodoo Brew and D. Hoffmann´s recording index)
the instrumental is named It´s Alright - lasting 4 minutes.
So this one must be called It´s Alright II.

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: TooTough ()
Date: March 6, 2021 01:48

Quote
BlueTurns2Grey

17- Part of the Night
19821111-1219 Pathe Marconi Studios, Paris

The instrumental versions are Golden Caddy III and IV.
There´s even one shorter vocal version V, similar to this new one.
So this one is either Golden Caddy VI or the whole track
history must be renamed Part Of The Night I - VI.



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Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: March 6, 2021 10:00

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TooTough
Quote
BlueTurns2Grey

23- Hands Off
Get Your Hands Off - version III
, more finished version (source unsure)
19930709-1211 Windmill Lane Recording & RW's House, Dublin

In my archive (and on Voodoo Brew and D. Hoffmann´s recording index)
the instrumental is named It´s Alright - lasting 4 minutes.
So this one must be called It´s Alright II.

Thanks, you are right. This is a newer version of 'It's Alright'. Voodoo Brew has an off mike vocal version and of course, 'Part Of The Night' is 'Colden Caddy' with vocals



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Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: March 6, 2021 11:26

Quote
Muddyw
Their sound on Bridges To Babylon is miles better or more beatiful then on A Bigger Bang. Every part sounds full: drums, bass, the guitar by Keith (on fire like on Mixed Emotions), full force.

Yep, which makes it possible to place "Desperate Man" as a B2B outtake since it sounds like ASMB or AOM. As a side note the sound was great on the 1997 tour too,even in a huge stadium like the Oakland Colisseum, much better than in 1995 or 2002 or ever again, I suppose the stars had aligned !

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IORR Links : Essential Studio Outtakes CDs : Audio - History of Rarest Outtakes : Audio

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: TooTough ()
Date: March 6, 2021 12:52

There´s a Crazy Mama and Tumbling Dice touch
in parts of Trouble´s A-Coming. To my ears grinning smiley

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: TooTough ()
Date: March 6, 2021 13:11

regarding Walk With Me Wendy

My guess: The snare sound is pretty much Kingston 1972
or London 1973 for Goats Head Soup, with Mick Taylor
and Nicky Hopkins.



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Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: TooTough ()
Date: March 6, 2021 13:18

20 Nil gets my ABB session vote.

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: TooTough ()
Date: March 6, 2021 13:30

Prairie Love gets my BtB session vote.
The Gun Face similarity is there (song and drumsound wise).

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: barbabang ()
Date: March 6, 2021 13:40

Everytime I Break Her Heart sound very much like an Undercover session outtake to me. Very confident about this.

Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: March 6, 2021 18:59

Linked from LIST/POST - Rarest of the Studio Outtakes and History of Leaks (as of 03/2021) [iorr.org] - so please keep the first post updated (maybe also put the title of the Boot for easier reference) !

It seems you're putting NZB's "official" dates ?

Here are some guesses for the missing tracks :

11- 20 Nil
20 Nil
1996 - NYC Pre-production of B2B
Note : Early Version of "Low Down" ?

15- Walk With Me Wendy
Walk With Me Wendy
1969
Note : similar to "Travellin' Man" and "I'm Going Down

20- I Can't See No One Else
I Can't See No One Else
19850405-0617 Pathe Marconi Studios, Paris
Note : In entry 850405B on NZB's site

32- Dream About
Dream About
?
Note : I can see where henrik87 gets "A Bigger Bang sessions 2004 * -> Mick's demo -> maybe an embryonic of Streets of Love" but the vocal sounds like Mick 1986/1987 too...

34- Sanctuary
Sanctuary
?

35- Desperate Man
Desperate Man
1997
Note : production and instrumentation reminiscent of ASMB and AOM

36- Prairie Love
Prairie Love
2004 *
Note : sounds like an early version of "Rain Fall Down"

* the problem with 2004 is that it's "said" [iorr.org] that this collection "has" to be from sessions prior to 2002 (reason not disclosed)

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IORR Links : Essential Studio Outtakes CDs : Audio - History of Rarest Outtakes : Audio



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Re: Ideas about the sources of the new outtakes collection
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: March 6, 2021 19:16

Quote
gotdablouse
Linked from LIST/POST - Rarest of the Studio Outtakes and History of Leaks (as of 03/2021) [iorr.org] - so please keep the first post updated (maybe also put the title of the Boot for easier reference) !

It seems you're putting NZB's "official" dates ?

Thanks. I just try to collect the most useful info for this wonderful 3CD-set. I hope we'll get most of the dates together.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2021-03-06 19:25 by BlueTurns2Grey.

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