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Glam Descendant
>I would have thought small venues might show up any deficiences in their musical abilities even more, as would live (or recorded) TV shows - which they have never been keen on.
SHINE A LIGHT?
The Stones have given more than their fair share of their artistic selves -- asking more at this stage is not just greedy, it's... predatory.
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Father Ted
Gazza and Doxa are on the money imho. The tour is undoubtedly the big cash cow. The album is just a bit of extra product which gives some credibility to the need to go and tour again. The RS' motives for undertaking such massive tours are frequently questioned when they have a new album. To tour without any new material would just lay them open to claims that they were just doing it for the money (which they obviously are!).
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Father Ted
If I reading this thread right, no one is asking for more but there are clearly a lot of aggrieved fans who feel that the RS are just milking a big fat touring cash cow that is essentially a repackaged greatest hits show but only giving lip service to new music. That's what is up for debate.
And haven't they admitted as much? I'm certain I saw MJ once say that they had to do those huge gaudy stage sets to give the fans some eye candy...as if people would turn up to see the show but not listen to the show. A bit like having the radio on in the background playing Hot Rocks while you watch some pretty fireworks.
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Doxa
there is something 'tricky' in those new studio albums - what's the function and use of them, anyway? No matter what the fans think of them, how good or bad they are, the way the band itself treats them, shows not much fondness
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Gazza
I didnt actually buy the "nostalgia act" argument prior to that as they consistently played new material and from one tour to the next would give over sizeable portions of the show to old material which hadnt been played in several years
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doubledoor
Lack of Music from Stones? Seems a short sighted comment. I have not crunched the numbers, but I would not be surprised if the Stones have released more albums than Springsteen Mcartney and U2 put together over their career.
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doubledoor
Lack of Music from Stones? Seems a short sighted comment. I have not crunched the numbers, but I would not be surprised if the Stones have released more albums than Springsteen Mcartney and U2 put together over their career.
not even close. macca alone has released 22 studio albums since his debut in 1970...the stones have released something like 15 in that timespan....
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john r
Aside from their desire to make big money on tour, the Stones obviously care I think Mick feels if ABB gets virtually no airplay, a big portion of the stadium/arena wont know the songs, get bored, restless, and maybe next tour won't show up. How many times I've heard the dreaded "I hope/wish they don't/didn't play their new stuff..." while on line before or after a concert.
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Justin
Nice post Gazza
If only the Stones complicated the 2nd half of their show as equally as their first half. From the B-Stage on....they show is on cruise control. To some, the last half of the show can consist of 6/7 warhorses...to me...it's just one big long song. The warhorses just dont' move me anymore. Leave the opener and closers for warhorses; fill the middle with some good shit. How hard is that?
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john r
Gazza you're incisive post really has some great points...But (well the 40 Licks tour obviously doesn't count) the ABB album/tour, after the first leg, was really the first time that the RS seemed to abandon their latest album. .
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Gazza
well..thats probably the reality to a degree..
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Gazza
well..thats probably the reality to a degree, but the counter argument is to ask why it should be like that and why the band seem happy to pander to it...
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Father Ted
The RS may have a consensus that they shouldn't disappoint the fans (especially those who are paying $450).
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Gazza
Perhaps the Stones fall down by trying to please everybody all the time? Trouble is, their catalogue is so huge, they simply can't do it justice in 2hrs. Compromises have been made..
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Father Ted
A year ago, The South Bank Centre ran a series of shows where bands would play one of their classic albums in it's entirety. They could give that a try - just do a few venues - make sure its filmed and PPVed at the same time.
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Gazza
Perhaps the Stones fall down by trying to please everybody all the time? Trouble is, their catalogue is so huge, they simply can't do it justice in 2hrs. Compromises have been made..
True - and any performer is going to realistically be obliged to compromise somewhat when playing to significant numbers of people. I dont think anyone is seriously suggesting that they refuse to perform ANY hits or just play shows full of nothing but obscure songs. The issue is how much compromising do they really NEED to do. My own attitude is that after over 2,000 shows in 46 years and having played in pretty much any part of the globe that has electricity in the last decade, theyve now earned the right to....play whatever the hell they want. Personally, I'm more interested in what Keith Richards wants to play - not in what he thinks I might want him to play.
Their catalogue is huge and impressive - Dylan could probably be the only artist with as vast and as brilliant a history of recorded work. Theres 40% (exactly) of that catalogue that they have NEVER played. Not even once. 250 million records sold would suggest that those songs arent necessarily that obscure. Plenty of their best known songs dont even get played at all or hardly ever, so occasionally replacing Honky Tonk women with something like 19th Nervous Breakdown or Out of Time (which has NEVER been played) shouldnt cause much in the way of dissatisfaction.Quote
Father Ted
A year ago, The South Bank Centre ran a series of shows where bands would play one of their classic albums in it's entirety. They could give that a try - just do a few venues - make sure its filmed and PPVed at the same time.
Nice idea. They touched on that concept to a degree on the 'theme' nights on the Licks tour when theyd play 4-5 songs back to back from a classic album. It maybe didnt develop as well as it could have (it stuck to the same 3-4 albums in almost all cases) but it was a welcome innovation nonetheless. Before the tour started, Ronnie even talked up the possibility of some of the theatre shows being a themed show in that they might, for example, play all of 'Exile', but of course more conservative heads prevailed.
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Father Ted
T&A - re your point about them sleepwalking thru the set. I'm wondering if that could, in part, be due to them having to play repetitive shows over a long period?
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Father Ted
T&A - re your point about them sleepwalking thru the set. I'm wondering if that could, in part, be due to them having to play repetitive shows over a long period?
either that or they were up all night prior to the show, "doing it." hmmm...perhaps that excuse was only good for the '78 tour....