Skipstone, with all due respect, have you actually LISTENED to the new releases?

Drew

"At around 2:55 or thereabouts to about 3:05 into "Star Star" the volume gets turned up to a distortion level and then is slowly brought back down. To me this was VERY noticeable and sounds awful. How doesn't anyone at Universal notice this? It sounds almost like someone did an 'oops' and hit a knob and hoped nobody would notice as they slowly brought it back down to a normal level."

It's part of the censoring. The guitars/music is brought up to 'bury' the John Wayne lyric.

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"At around 2:55 or thereabouts to about 3:05 into "Star Star" the volume gets turned up to a distortion level and then is slowly brought back down. To me this was VERY noticeable and sounds awful. How doesn't anyone at Universal notice this? It sounds almost like someone did an 'oops' and hit a knob and hoped nobody would notice as they slowly brought it back down to a normal level."

It's part of the censoring. The guitars/music is brought up to 'bury' the John Wayne lyric.

So the same thing happens on the vinyl?

Drew

john r, "brickwalling" is adding so much compression to the signal to make the effect louder that the visual graphic of the frequencies looks like a solid "wall," rather than the jagged streams that come with a truly dynamic recording.

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Heck, I still prefer Bowie's Raw Power to Iggy's remix (which might make a useful 2nd disc 'altmix' in a 'deluxe' editon).

me too!

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So the same thing happens on the vinyl?

Drew

Yes.

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"At around 2:55 or thereabouts to about 3:05 into "Star Star" the volume gets turned up to a distortion level and then is slowly brought back down. To me this was VERY noticeable and sounds awful. How doesn't anyone at Universal notice this? It sounds almost like someone did an 'oops' and hit a knob and hoped nobody would notice as they slowly brought it back down to a normal level."

It's part of the censoring. The guitars/music is brought up to 'bury' the John Wayne lyric.

Steve McQueen, you mean.

"giving head to John Wayne"... Who would love to in 1973?

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So the same thing happens on the vinyl?

Drew

Yes.

That's good to know, thanks ... means that Universal didn't screw up.

Drew

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john r, "brickwalling" is adding so much compression to the signal to make the effect louder that the visual graphic of the frequencies looks like a solid "wall," rather than the jagged streams that come with a truly dynamic recording.

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Heck, I still prefer Bowie's Raw Power to Iggy's remix (which might make a useful 2nd disc 'altmix' in a 'deluxe' editon).

me too!

Count me in! They've released the Stooges' debut and Fun House in very nice two-CD editions, so it would be nice to see the original Bowie-mixed Raw Power on CD as well. There is also an "original Stooges" mix that was made before the Bowie mix, which I've heard partly as semi-official outtakes, and they sound pretty nice as well. They're neither as crazy and trebly as the Bowie mix, nor anywhere near the "brickwall" levels of Iggy's remix.

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"giving head to John Wayne"... Who would love to in 1973?

No, it says "giving head to Steve McQueen" and then later "I'll make a bet that you're gonna get John Wayne before he dies".

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"At around 2:55 or thereabouts to about 3:05 into "Star Star" the volume gets turned up to a distortion level and then is slowly brought back down. To me this was VERY noticeable and sounds awful. How doesn't anyone at Universal notice this? It sounds almost like someone did an 'oops' and hit a knob and hoped nobody would notice as they slowly brought it back down to a normal level."

It's part of the censoring. The guitars/music is brought up to 'bury' the John Wayne lyric.

Steve McQueen, you mean.

No, I mean John Wayne.

Drew - I have not bought any of them but I have heard them.

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"At around 2:55 or thereabouts to about 3:05 into "Star Star" the volume gets turned up to a distortion level and then is slowly brought back down. To me this was VERY noticeable and sounds awful. How doesn't anyone at Universal notice this? It sounds almost like someone did an 'oops' and hit a knob and hoped nobody would notice as they slowly brought it back down to a normal level."

It's part of the censoring. The guitars/music is brought up to 'bury' the John Wayne lyric.

Steve McQueen, you mean.

No, I mean John Wayne.

My apologies. Listened to it again and you're absolutely right.

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Drew - I have not bought any of them but I have heard them.

Okay Skip, was just curious ... thanks.

Drew

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john r, "brickwalling" is adding so much compression to the signal to make the effect louder that the visual graphic of the frequencies looks like a solid "wall," rather than the jagged streams that come with a truly dynamic recording.

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Heck, I still prefer Bowie's Raw Power to Iggy's remix (which might make a useful 2nd disc 'altmix' in a 'deluxe' editon).

me too!

Count me in! They've released the Stooges' debut and Fun House in very nice two-CD editions, so it would be nice to see the original Bowie-mixed Raw Power on CD as well. There is also an "original Stooges" mix that was made before the Bowie mix, which I've heard partly as semi-official outtakes, and they sound pretty nice as well. They're neither as crazy and trebly as the Bowie mix, nor anywhere near the "brickwall" levels of Iggy's remix.

yes, that was "Rough Power"--I think it's interesting, too. It does make the band sound more like a typical rock band, but like a very good one, playing in a gym! Better to listen to than Iggy's mix, but I still prefer the original, it's so skewed and harsh.

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So the same thing happens on the vinyl?

Drew

Yes.

That's good to know, thanks ... means that Universal didn't screw up.

Drew

no, that's not what it means--the censorship only happened on the US vinyl, as I understand it, not on other editions. And it was removed for the Virgin CD. It's possible that Universal had instructions to use the US master for the new CDs, but it's hard to see why.

Another weird thing about these reissues - they all say 2009 on them. That's just so...odd.

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Another weird thing about these reissues - they all say 2009 on them. That's just so...odd.

What's so odd about it?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-06-05 05:33 by ajc68.

Because they're not 2009, they're 1971, 1973, 1974, 1976, etc...

but it's the recordings that are copyrighted by Universal, in 2009. Don't confuse the album with the individual songs, which are copyrighted separately to the writers.

Virgin 'copyrighted' the albums to their (original) release years. They aren't really copyrighted by the label. ABKCO did the same stupid thing. It's just not right.

I just bought the four new 2009 UMG remasters(Some Girls,Emotional Rescue,Tattoo You,Undercover)today and first the good news:they sound FANTASTIC!The irritating top-end on these albums are brought down to tolerable levels and the bass and mid range are brought up,making Mick's vocals clearer,the drums more bottom and the guitars more bite.Also no censored lines or shortened songs.The only bad thing is the packaging-with the exception of a different SG cover,its identical to the Virgins,so no new liner notes or photos.Anyway,rock on!

weren't they supposed to be released on june 8th??

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Virgin 'copyrighted' the albums to their (original) release years. They aren't really copyrighted by the label. ABKCO did the same stupid thing. It's just not right.

Do Rolling Stones Records get a mention in the copyright details? They were of course the "label" for a period from 1971 onwards.

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I just bought the four new 2009 UMG remasters(Some Girls,Emotional Rescue,Tattoo You,Undercover)today

I sent them to the french media on june 4th, not released in France yet. Next week.

YM

...nah it's definately John Wayne

I´ve listened to the first four discs, one or two almost everyday since the day they were relaeased. And I must say I think they sound so good, I can´t detect any distorsion etc. Of course, all I got to compare to, are my vinyls and the CBS-CD:s, but these new discs sound really good.

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Because they're not 2009, they're 1971, 1973, 1974, 1976, etc...

This is a common occurrence on remasters. I've never understood why they can't put both the original year of release along with the new copyright. They do in some cases, but it's very infrequent.

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"play 'Melody' or 'Fool To Cry' or' Cherry' and 'Negrita' and tell me my ears are telling lies!"
They're not. Acc. to our expert Nikolai B&B is the "best" of the lot so far...

Ha ha! Me, an "expert"! My wife'd laugh at me being thought as an audio expert, because she says I'm half deaf.

But yeah, B & B sounds absolutely terrific. I'm hoping that the remasters will keep on sounding better and better, the younger the album.

That said, I couldn't face buying A Bigger Bang for the third time. It sounded fine first time, ditto Bridges to Babylon.

ehy ehy anyone to review the new ones? out today!