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marvpeck
Thanks for the input.
Here's what I found at the site "Time Is On Our Side"
Probable line-up:
Drums: Charlie Watts & Keith Richards
Bass: Keith Richards
Acoustic guitars: Keith Richards & Brian Jones
Electric guitar: Keith Richards
Lead vocal: Mick Jagger
Background vocals: Mick Jagger, Keith Richards & Jimmy Miller
Maracas: Mick Jagger
Piano: Ian Stewart
Organ: Bill Wyman
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His Majesty
Nah, no way is that Brian playing those lines, those are distinctively Keith - open E tuning licks, you can even see him play similar lines in One Plus One when he's sitting on the floor playing his les paul custom.
Perhaps timeisonourside is thinking that Brian played as part of the basic philips tape machine recording.
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Mock Jogger
The assumption that several basic tracks from the Beggars/JJF sessions were recorded on the Philips tape- cassette machine of Keith, as His Majesty believes to be the case for JJF and Parachute Woman, is utter nonsense and is originated from an interview joke by Mick Jagger in 1968.
Bill in "Stone Alone": "Mick was [while doing promo for JJF, May 1968] in the habit of stringing people along: around this time he convinced an 'Evening Standard' reporter that our new single had been recorded on 'an ordinary household tape-cassette machine at my house. It didn't take long.'" [p. 584, paperback edition]
The only song on which the cassette machine was used was SFM, but certainly not for the complete recording, but for Keith's acoustic guitar and one of Charlie's drum/percussion parts - with further overdubs on the studio machine later on. Otherwise the track would not have been suitable for any dancefloor in the world. The rough, highly compressed sound is very clearly to determine, especially in the intro. Other sounds from Beggars that could have been achieved by using the cassette machine are those in question for a mellotron being used, since the mellotron uses intruments prerecorded on tape (1/8 inch tape just like "a household tape-cassette machine", if my observation from what I saw on YouTube about mellotrons is right). So maybe, just maybe on JSP it could be a reorder recorded on the cassette machine, but it could be mellotron as well; I'm open to all suggestions here.
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Mock Jogger
Next point, JJF.
Brian is playing the high notes on a Telecaster. Last December there was a JJF promo clip on YouTube, the Stones playing a live version (May 1968). When I watched it, there had been around 60,000 views, so I wasn't the only one who saw it. (There had been a link on LARS; after a few months the clip was taken off on the request of ABKCO.)
The intro was just Keith and Bill holding the basic note, and the slightly out of tune guitar solo parts in the middle were missing. (My guess: this overdubbed guitar is probably Brian on his 12string Rickenbacker.) Otherwise the arrangement was pretty much the same as the single version. (With Bill on bass, though, on the live version.)
By the way: this video shows Brian playing in his typical sober guitar style, he is not "out of it" at all and he is even able to hold his guitar, thus contradicting Mick's Rolling Stone interview remark of 1995. Good God, how much some people ridicule themselves by describing Brian's state of his last 18 months in this far out, wild manner.
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Mock Jogger
Last point.
No, there are no acoustic guitars on JJF. This is coming from Keith in "According To The Rolling Stones" (2002), confusing JJF and SFM. I don't know if this is due to his notorious bad memory or a sad attempt trying to make forget Bill's detailled and forceful insistence that he, Bill, wrote the riff for JJF. I tend to the latter.
Anyway, there are no acoustic guitars on JJF unless they are totally buried in the mix or were treated with much effort to sound like electric guitars. Anyone who uses his ears will agree, I'm sure.
Alright, this was it. Have a nice day everybody (especially Doxa, my old LARS-opponent),
Mock
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Mock Jogger
Sorry, I have to interrupt her. Since I'm one of the notorious LARS Jones fans that seem to terrify some to such a degree they flee the LARS board I want to assure everybody it's not my intention to hunt anybody down. But having had a look on here for the first time recently, I feel the urgent need to set some facts straight, from this thread and from the "Brian on Beggars"-thread as well and I promise to leave you alone thereafter.
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His Majesty
One problem, that wasn't live!!!
The footage doesn't show Brian playing anything that matched what is heard on the 'live' audio, he's shown playing basic single note - low notes for the main riff, then simply strumming basic bar chords during the chorus just like he did at the r&r circus.
The high end parts on the actual single are by Keith. Brian just isn't audible on the studio or live versions imo. If you're sitting there thinking wow, those high guitar parts are great, well done Brian, you're most likely crediting the wrong guy!
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Mathijs
It's hard to tell who played the lead lines, but my personal opinion is that I would be really surprised if Brian was even able to play these lead lines in an overdub session. For all we know he didn't play guitar on any record since late 65, and what we hear on sessions and live ever since he just isn't a very good and steady guitar player -with the exception of the beautiful No Expectations.
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neptune
I think that's Brian lead guitar on Please Go Home on BTB (late 1966), unless Keith learned how to play Bo Diddley on electric slide.
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Mathijs
It's hard to tell who played the lead lines, but my personal opinion is that I would be really surprised if Brian was even able to play these lead lines in an overdub session. For all we know he didn't play guitar on any record since late 65, and what we hear on sessions and live ever since he just isn't a very good and steady guitar player -with the exception of the beautiful No Expectations.
I think that's Brian lead guitar on Please Go Home on BTB (late 1966), unless Keith learned how to play Bo Diddley on electric slide. Otherwise, yes, Brian don't play guitar since Aftermath.