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Mathijs
Keith has always played GS in standard tuning live, but the studio version is open E for sure.

For some reason, open E and especially open D are refered to as dropped tuning, while open A and open G are refered to as open tuning.

In my book all tunings are open, except when you only drop 1 or 2 strings -that's dropped tuning to me.

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who, Keith? i don't think so. when has he played it in open G?

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For some reason, open E and especially open D are refered to as dropped tuning, while open A and open G are refered to as open tuning.

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Mathijs
Keith has always played GS in standard tuning live, but the studio version is open E for sure.

For some reason, open E and especially open D are refered to as dropped tuning, while open A and open G are refered to as open tuning.

In my book all tunings are open, except when you only drop 1 or 2 strings -that's dropped tuning to me.

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It surprises me that keith would abandon the open E arrangement, at least while he had taylor to play the leads that presumably are the reason to play it in standard--and taylor does play the solos on that number. It really makes a difference in the riff, which is just a touch less profound when adapted to standard.

I mean, they take forever between songs anyway, and he goes out of tune all the time anyway, so why not have another guitar ready in open E? It could have been used for other songs, too.

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It surprises me that keith would abandon the open E arrangement, at least while he had taylor to play the leads that presumably are the reason to play it in standard--and taylor does play the solos on that number. It really makes a difference in the riff, which is just a touch less profound when adapted to standard.

I mean, they take forever between songs anyway, and he goes out of tune all the time anyway, so why not have another guitar ready in open E? It could have been used for other songs, too.

I think you just answered your own question here: they already took forever to tune to normal in those days -without electronic tuners, without profesional roadies- having some guitars set up in open G was one thing, but having another batch of guitars ready in open E or D was just too much in '72. These were the days that tuning up on stage was normal...

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It surprises me that keith would abandon the open E arrangement, at least while he had taylor to play the leads that presumably are the reason to play it in standard--and taylor does play the solos on that number. It really makes a difference in the riff, which is just a touch less profound when adapted to standard.

I mean, they take forever between songs anyway, and he goes out of tune all the time anyway, so why not have another guitar ready in open E? It could have been used for other songs, too.

I think you just answered your own question here: they already took forever to tune to normal in those days -without electronic tuners, without profesional roadies- having some guitars set up in open G was one thing, but having another batch of guitars ready in open E or D was just too much in '72. These were the days that tuning up on stage was normal...

Mathijs

I find that hard to believe. If Keith wanted to do it in open E he would have. You find that Keith often plays things in diffeent tunings on different tours that's not necessarily anything to do with technical limitations.

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These were the days that tuning up on stage was normal...

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...or not ;^)

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>> You find that Keith often plays things in different tunings on different tours <<

okay so when has Keith used tunings besides standard and open G on stage?
(on purpose i mean, Spud! )
~ in 1969 on Prodigal Son and You Gotta Move
~ in 1999 on You Got the Silver

... any others?
(as Mathijs notes that's not really the issue under discussion, but since it's sort of come up ... )

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except that no one actually refers to open E or open D as "dropped," so no confusion exists.

It surprises me that keith would abandon the open E arrangement, at least while he had taylor to play the leads that presumably are the reason to play it in standard--and taylor does play the solos on that number. It really makes a difference in the riff, which is just a touch less profound when adapted to standard.

I mean, they take forever between songs anyway, and he goes out of tune all the time anyway, so why not have another guitar ready in open E? It could have been used for other songs, too.

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open G i BELIEVE, originated from what was called Hawaiian tuning or "slack key"

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There is a video with the Winos in 92' you can see Keith play it in Open E. Funny that one of his greatest guitar solos of all time took place Live with winos on this song, frankly i dont how he pulled that off.

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As a long time guitar player (who has stole everything I know from Keef) and a follower of the stones since 1976....I can assure you that Gimme Shelter is played in open E tuning on Let It Bleed, more often than not it was played in standard tuning live - but not always....Brussels 72 is open E or D. There is a distinct difference if you listen carefully, an open tuning has a different feel which just cannot be replicated in standard and it is the sound of the stones - open tunings with suspended chords.