Not the same guy I'm afraid Wolfgang. Sorry.

I'm so glad people are talking about those Frankfurt shows. Another essential recording from '73 IMO. It's an extraordinary recording. The band sounds like it is playing in black and white and Taylor's guitar is in technicolor. I'd like to know taper information about that recording as well. Has the SFM video been posted before? I do not know how to do it. That video is...compelling.

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Really interesting reading all your comments about the Sept 8th early show. It's actually my tape.

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I just saw this thread. I'm glad your tape finally started circulating. It's quite well done. Not as good as the radio broadcasts, but far better than most of the '73 audience recordings. A must have, I think.

Anyway, I was wondering if you know about the similar recording of the second show Sep. 8, 1973, which turned up a few months after the concert on the LP "Live in London" on Forbidden Fruit Productions. It's also very well done. Any connection? The complete tapes that circulate are far inferior; been copied too many times.

I bought the Stones - Live In London 73 vinyl in about 74. It has a purple cover and is pretty muddy in sound quality and not the full show. Not sure if it is that one you are talking about. I haven't got it to hand so can't remember which date it was. Don't know who taped that one.

The LP "Live in London" on Forbidden Fruit Productions contains part of the 2nd show from Sep. 8, 1973. The soundquality in indeed very enjoyable. It is currently seeded on Dime.

So to clear some confusion, the Devil's Breath CD is a DAC release and the Dragon's Breath (Silver Dagger source tape) is the new SODD release?

How does one know the correct speed for these tapes when refering to speed issues? Is it something your judging by your ears or a digital reading?

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So to clear some confusion, the Devil's Breath CD is a DAC release and the Dragon's Breath (Silver Dagger source tape) is the new SODD release?

How does one know the correct speed for these tapes when refering to speed issues? Is it something your judging by your ears or a digital reading?

As far as I know Devil's Breath is the label that released the source tape. Haven't heard the DAC release but I imagine they put out a speedcorrected version of the Devil's Breath release (in other words an improved rip off). The SODD release enhances the sound (of the Devil's Breath release?) with compression making it a totally useless remaster/reissue IMHO.

I assume Dragon's Breath is just a misnaming of the Devil's Breath label?

(my observations are based on the info that came with torrent of this show, I have no originals of any of the titles mentioned)

I depend on my ears to find the correct speed (concert pitch) by playing along with a tuned guitar.

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I assume Dragon's Breath is just a misnaming of the Devil's Breath label?

Quite definitely Silver Dagger meant Devils Breath. I wrongly refer to that label as Devils Disciple...it's tricky to remember "Devils Breath"
I have both DB and DAC, but have learned not to waste time or money on SODD....not a Megabite either.



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Just to make sure none of you will ever forget the correct name of the label:

[www.urbandictionary.com]

Won't forget that one...

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Just to make sure none of you will ever forget the correct name of the label

I'll pass on that defination. However, the hottie in the blue tee-shirt just below has really caught my attention. Those puppies are awesome!!!

Back to the topic, what is the DAC release's title and number?

Nasty Songs DAC 065

Sorry for the confusion guys. Erik is right. I meant Devil's Breath. Must have been that Vindaloo curry I had earlier in the evening that prompted the mis-naming.

Silver Dagger,

What other tapes do you have lurking in that cupboard with the old teabags?

Or, are any other released boots your original source tapes?

The bonusdisc on the SODD release contains the London september 9th show and sounds better than the VGP release Nasty Muzik (only silver disk release from that show I know off). SODD used the tapesource that circulates in collector's/torrent circles and enhanced the sound by tweaking the high frequencies (again no improvement whatsoever).

That's it for The Stones I'm afraid.

I taped Knebworth 76 but that has come out already in better quality than my old tape.

There's a nice Floyd from Wembley 74 on the way which betters what is out there.
Working on cleaning up tapes of Zappa, Capt Beefheart, more early 70s Floyd, perhaps some Bad Company.

Has Pink Floyd ever played "Fearless" live if anyone knows?

Isn't this the Sister Morphine "Belladonna On A Toussaint Night" show as well?

What about the Halcyon version? They usually get things right.

J



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Isn't this the Sister Morphine "Belladonna On A Toussaint Night" show as well?

What about the Halcyon version? They usually get things right.

J

Yep, Belladonna is the same show (but incomplete and not from the mastertape). The Halcyon version is stereo and runs at the correct speed, and probably some EQ adjustment. Good effort indeed.

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The bonusdisc on the SODD release contains the London september 9th show and sounds better than the VGP release Nasty Muzik (only silver disk release from that show I know off). SODD used the tapesource that circulates in collector's/torrent circles and enhanced the sound by tweaking the high frequencies (again no improvement whatsoever).

I disagree. The VGP "Nasty Muzik" source of 9/9/73, as bad as it is, is definitely better than whatever SODD used. Their version is very tinny. The only thing it has going for it is that it's longer; has the introduction and end of SFM which VGP's doesn't have.

The SODD version of 9/8/73 1st show is a compressed/hard-limited (to sound louder) version of the pitch-corrected Devil's Breath release available here for those of you on Dime: [www.dimeadozen.org]. Unfortunately no seeders at the moment.

Latest update concerning the comparison of the diferent version of this show (Wembley 9/8/73 1st show):

The DAC 073 version turns out to be a mono version running at the correct speed.

So the winner is the Halcyon version (original stereo source, correct speed and no excessive tweaking).

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So the winner is the Halcyon version (original stereo source, correct speed and no excessive tweaking).

Of course, the only version that hasn't been torrented the last half year or so... ;-)

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I thought the Halcyon version has the cut in GS ?

yeah, Halcyon has the cut in GS. so things aint easy! seems that nobody did it right until now. but were talkin about an audience tape anyways, and thats not something a lot of people devote repeated listenings to. performance is good, but if I want to listen to Stones 1973, theres other stuff I prefer. I tend to limit myself to only a handful, sometimes only one or two shows per tour, and the others are just there to fill my racks. theres just so much good music out there (not only Stones!!!) that I most certainly will never again listen to 5 Licks shows in a row!



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yeah, Halcyon has the cut in GS. so things aint easy! seems that nobody did it right until now. but were talkin about an audience tape anyways, and thats not something a lot of people devote repeated listenings to. performance is good, but if I want to listen to Stones 1973, theres other stuff I prefer. I tend to limit myself to only a handful, sometimes only one or two shows per tour, and the others are just there to fill my racks. theres just so much good music out there (not only Stones!!!) that I most certainly will never again listen to 5 Licks shows in a row!

? My copy of the Halcyon version has no cut in GS. This particular audiencerecording has had quite a few spins here, and not only for the sake of comparison.

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Latest update concerning the comparison of the diferent version of this show (Wembley 9/8/73 1st show):

The DAC 073 version turns out to be a mono version running at the correct speed.

So the winner is the Halcyon version (original stereo source, correct speed and no excessive tweaking).

I've just compared Nasty Songs and the speed corrected version of Devils Breath from Dime again. Never had the CDR and the DAC release with me at the same time...untill now. And I must take back my comments that they are "just as good". They used a bit too much EQ at DAC, making for instance the sax at Gimme Shelter intro - a headache. It's no big disaster though...but DB is the best of the 2. ALso a lot better than SODD of course.
Concerning stereo/mono.... I don't know, it's not really "stereo", it's just a slightly different quality of the channels - I didn't even notice that DAC doubled one of the channels.

Haven't heard the Halcyon version, but did you mean that it's better than the speed corrected Devils Breath ?

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Concerning stereo/mono.... I don't know, it's not really "stereo", it's just a slightly different quality of the channels - I didn't even notice that DAC doubled one of the channels.

Haven't heard the Halcyon version, but did you mean that it's better than the speed corrected Devils Breath ?

The taper, Silver Dagger, clearly stated he used stereoequipment for the recording. Of course audiencerecordings never feature 'true' stereo seperation of instruments.

Since the Devil's Breath release appears to be the mother of al 'upgrades' we can assume it's the 'purest' version. If one should apply proper speed correction to the Devil's Breath release it would probably end up sounding very much like the Halcyon version.

Yea Britney, that's very likely.



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I just checked my collection of '73 shows and I was shocked to discover that I don't have it! Could anyone point me to where I could find it? I would be most grateful!