open - g, did you ever see the interview with Bianca on an ABC show hosted by Geraldo Rivera called "GOODNIGHT AMERICA" ? I NEVER hear it spoken about on IORR. Anyway, it had a 2 week special with Jagger interviews and snippets of HTW and ADTL played in rehearsal at LSU and then the second week they played the opening night versions from LSU. Anyway, it was an interesting interview and you can tell Bianca was not fond AT ALL of the Rock and Roll lifestyle or groupie's or Mick's attitude towards women. I wouldn't call her a ball buster but some thing like that - felt she was also a control freak.... Hence - WELL YOU'RE CRAZY, MAMA/WITH YOUR BALL AND CHAIN/PLAIN PSYCHOTIC/PLAIN INSANE..... YOU CAN SCANDALIZE ME/SCORN MY NAME/YOU CAN STEAL MY MONEY/BUT THAT DON'T MEAN A DOG GONE THING....

....SOME GIRLS TAKE MY MONEY/SOME GIRLS TAKE MY CLOTHES/SOME GIRLS TAKE THE SHIRT OFF MY BACK/AND LEAVE ME WITH A LETHAL DOSE......

well, which female was around at the time to TAKE/STEAL HIS MONEY? Ever notice how SOME GIRLS talks about FRENCH, ITALIAN, ENGLISH, CHINESE(Asian), WHITE, and BLACK Girls but not a peep about SPANISH girls (maybe the whole song is about one specific "Spanish" girl)... hmmm, the mystery just gets more mysterious.....

Latin Women are very posessive and jealous, hence the ball and chain part I guess. And they can become your worst enemy when things go sour. The Crazy Mama lyrics certainly shows Micks frustration at the time. Look at the lyrics of Respectable, that is a Bianca hate song. who did she think she was anyway?

with sssoul Wrote:
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> well, that's not purely a Latin American
> phenomenon; anyway it's not the "mama" part
> that leads me to feel this number isn't one of the
> Glimmer Twins' strictly autobiographical works.
> i can't say i've ever gotten interested in this
> lyric, though - the track just sounds so freakin
> fine,
> it can be "about" whoever/no one and that's all
> right with me


Micks lyrics are so spot on and touching because they do very often reflect real live situations, can be his own or something he witnessed. Also it is easier or maybe the only way to write so many lyrics for so many songs, by using real live situations. I mean how many can you dream up? Anyway they can be a fascinating insight in his life at times. I think Mick was and is always very honest in his songs and in interviews too

There was a popular movie that came out around 75ish (in the states) called Crazy Mama. Here's what it's about. Could Jagger be writing about this movie he might have seen?


This lively celebration of 1950's America is one of director Jonathan Demme's earliest and best films. After losing their beauty salon to some repossession men in California, grandmother Ann Sothern, mother Cloris Leachman, and daughter Linda Purl hit the road and embark on a crime spree, robbing and shooting their way back to their mid-western roots in Arkansas. CRAZY MAMA recreates a convincing '50's atmosphere, offers some of that decade's greatest music and, above all, features excellent performances by a wonderful cast. The film's brightest moments are supplied by Cloris Leachman and Ann Sothern, two of the finest actresses to ever grace the screen. Sothern's daughter, the equally gifted Tisha Sterling, plays her mother's character as a young woman in the opening scene of the film.

Bingo Wrote:
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> There was a popular movie that came out around
> 75ish (in the states) called Crazy Mama. Here's
> what it's about. Could Jagger be writing about
> this movie he might have seen?
>
>
> This lively celebration of 1950's America is one
> of director Jonathan Demme's earliest and best
> films. After losing their beauty salon to some
> repossession men in California, grandmother Ann
> Sothern, mother Cloris Leachman, and daughter
> Linda Purl hit the road and embark on a crime
> spree, robbing and shooting their way back to
> their mid-western roots in Arkansas. CRAZY MAMA
> recreates a convincing '50's atmosphere, offers
> some of that decade's greatest music and, above
> all, features excellent performances by a
> wonderful cast. The film's brightest moments are
> supplied by Cloris Leachman and Ann Sothern, two
> of the finest actresses to ever grace the screen.
> Sothern's daughter, the equally gifted Tisha
> Sterling, plays her mother's character as a young
> woman in the opening scene of the film.


if it was based on this it would be another brilliant double entree!

JK Wrote:
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> Winnipeg? (I was there)
>
> Lukester Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >I saw it on the B-stage in 1997........


Hey JK,
No, I saw them do it in Charlotte Oct.10....but thanks for asking.

>> [the Glimmer Twins'] lyrics are so spot on and touching because they do very often reflect
real live situations, can be [their] own or something [they] witnessed. <<

sure, but writing about real feelings isn't what i mean by "strictly autobiographical";
and as for "how many can you make up" - the question is rather:
"how many can a splendidly prolific songwriting team make up"
and i think the answer is "a lot". finding evocative situations/metaphors/associations
to convey feelings we all recognize is what great lyric-writers do.
the feelings being real doesn't mean the situations are autobiographical.

anyway i'm not highly lyric-oriented, nor am i familiar with Bianca's religious beliefs,
so i'm not really arguing - it's more like i don't really care who it's "about";
if people are happy imagining Mick threatening to shoot Bianca's knee in a real-life episode,
that's fine with me. i'm personally a lot more interested in who's playing that lovely cantering riff. :E



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with sssoul Wrote:

>
> sure, but writing about real feelings isn't what i
> mean by "strictly autobiographical";
> and as for "how many can you make up" - the
> question is rather: "how many can a splendidly
> prolific songwriting team make up"
> and i think the answer is "a lot". finding
> evocative situations/metaphors/associations
> to convey feelings we all know is what they do.
> the feelings being real doesn't mean the
> situations are autobiographical.
>
> anyway i'm not highly lyric-oriented, nor am i
> familiar with Bianca's religious beliefs,
> so i'm not really arguing - it's more like i don't
> really care who it's "about".
> i'm personally a lot more interested in who's
> playing that lovely cantering riff.

Hi with sssoul, I doubt Keith had a lot of input in writing the lyrics for most Stones songs. So it sort of comes down to Mick.
For the Crazy mama lyrics it is not about Biancas religion rather the Latin culture she grew up in, in Nicaragua and Micks frustration or dislike for it later in the seventies. Mick probably did not know what he was getting into when he MARRIED a Latin woman. But he surely found out.
About the riff, actually that can be a Micks riff as it is a simple open d chord played while hammering the pinky on the gstring 4th fret, try it. then picture Mick with his guitar while singing these lyrics... but it could be Ronnies lick or Keith, really don't know. Anybody knows?

Jochem Wrote:
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> > About the riff, actually that can be a Micks riff
> as it is a simple open d chord played while
> hammering the pinky on the gstring 4th fret,

For the record, that's not the part I was talking about earlier...or that I think liddas was talking about..

>> I doubt Keith had a lot of input in writing the lyrics for most Stones song <<

smile: that's a pretty common misconception in the "outside world", but it surprises me to hear it
from an iorrian. maybe you'll like this page: [www.timeisonourside.com]
(that whole site is brilliant and real worth exploring at length.)

>> that's not the part I was talking about earlier...or that I think liddas was talking about <<

or that i was talking about - thanks texas fan!
that lovely cantering riff is the part i've always wondered about,
and liddas has made an excellent case for it being Keith, not Ronnie. so i'm all set. :E

(and Jochem ... it's not always helpful to quote whole posts - it can make things real hard to read.
i mean that in a helpful way, since you're new here - it's been discussed, and most people
including our host BV, encourage us to quote only what's vital from previous posts.)



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was the original thread not the question who is Crazy Mama and what are the Ball and Chains?

as for the riff my case is that you can also wonder if it was Micks riff
you be surprised how many riffs come from his hand, and this one fits him

>> was the original thread not the question who is Crazy Mama <<

yeah, the first post asked that question, and also pointed out that
Keith is playing some parts that sound just like Ronnie. and people have been discussing both points,
as well as a couple of other related topics. that's what tends to happen on threads.

oops - duplicate post
don't mind me :E



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yikes - *triplicate* post! sorry sorry sorry



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>> as for the riff my case is that you can also wonder if it was Micks riff <<

i don't think anyone's questioned whether Mick's playing rhythm on the track,
and right, i'm sure he could've conceived of what he's playing.
again: that wasn't the part i was wondering about - but of course you're free to discuss it anyway :E

with sssoul Wrote:
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>>
> i don't think anyone's questioned whether Mick's
> playing rhythm on the track.

no but it was you who said i wonder who played that cantoring riff, the signature riff for the song. The open d chord with pinky hammering on the fourth fret. that could be Mick, Ronnie or Keith

sigh: once more: the riff you're describing is not the riff i'm talking about. okay?

you were NOT talking about the intro riff? ok no problem.
no need for sighing, is just a conversation okay?

smile: i am cognizant! sighs are part of normal conversation too :E
have some popcorn.

popcorn no thanks too early here..lol is still morning. Anyway I am off for two day trip. Talk later

Lukester Wrote:
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> ...it is a great song liddas, I saw it on the
> B-stage in 1997........I have no clue who that
> crazy mama is.


Crazy Mama was great in '97.

Jochem Wrote:
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> Latin Women are very posessive and jealous, hence
> the ball and chain part I guess. And they can
> become your worst enemy when things go sour. The
> Crazy Mama lyrics certainly shows Micks
> frustration at the time. Look at the lyrics of
> Respectable, that is a Bianca hate song. who did
> she think she was anyway?

Here we go with stereotypes...There are like 200 million women in Latin America and you put the ll in the same bag because you know them all???

I believe the solo is played by Ronnie. It definitely sounds like Ron. The solo has a little asian flavor to it, and Ronnie at the time 1974,75,76 was doing shows in Japan.That is how I attribute the solo to the Woodman.
Mops

The open-tuned guitar was played by Jagger, the "riff"/solo-theme by Keith and the lead solo by Ronnie. B&B has superb liner notes, I must say

One of my very favorites---Heres a span of 20 years 1976 and 1997

texas fan Wrote:
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> Jochem Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > About the riff, actually that can be a Micks
> riff
> > as it is a simple open d chord played while
> > hammering the pinky on the gstring 4th fret,
>
I have a guitar here tuned to open D. If you hammer a pinky on the gstring 4th fret you get an unlistenable tone. Maybe I'm not reading this right?

A Stones classic, and my favorite track on Black and Blue.

CRAZY MAMA
(M. Jagger/K. Richards)

Well you're crazy Mama
With your ball and chain
And your sawn off shotgun
Blown out brains, yeah

You can scandalize me
Scorn my name
You can steal my money
And that don't mean a doggone thing

Cause if you really think you can push it
I'm going to bust your knees with a bullet
Your crazy mama, ah yeah

Well your old time religion
Is just a superstition
You going to pay high prices
For your sacrificises

Well your blood and thunder
Sure can't faze me none
If your going to keep on coming
I'm gonna take it all head on

If you don't believe I'm going to do it
Just wait till you get hit by that bullet

Don't think I ain't thought about it
But it sure makes my shackles rise
And cold blood murder
Make me want to draw the line

Well your crazy mama
With your ball and chain
Plain psychotic
Plain insane

If you don't think I'm gonna do it
Just wait for the thud of the bullet

5string Wrote:
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> texas fan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jochem Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > > About the riff, actually that can be a
> Micks
> > riff
> > > as it is a simple open d chord played while
> > > hammering the pinky on the gstring 4th fret,
> >
> I have a guitar here tuned to open D. If you
> hammer a pinky on the gstring 4th fret you get an
> unlistenable tone. Maybe I'm not reading this
> right?

Ok I get it. The guitar would be in standard tuning, not open tuning. That'll get it!

button_your_lip Wrote:
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> One of my very favorites---Heres a span of 20
> years 1976 and 1997
>
>


>
>




Also your theme song right Lip?


In that live version you posted. He skips about 2,3 verses.



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