<DJ can play circles around Bill. His phrasing is superb not BW's. Bill was hit or miss. Most of the time miss. Live once one mistake after another. Listen to Ya Yas. he can't get through a verse without a bum note. Bill was a lucky man. In the right place right time. DJ has talent and an ear for music something BW nevrer had.>

In my opinion, you lack the talent to see what this band is all about with this statement. Especially in a band like the stones, it's not about hitting bum notes or not. This is all about the swing, which Darryl lacks completely. Yes, he is a technically gifted musician, but he sorely lacks the swing and imagination that took this band to another level.

A good example: Watch When The Whip Comes Down from Hampton 1981. Then watch the same song from Four Flicks, and listen to the bass... The first version rocks your socks off, the latter is a drag.

oldkr Wrote:
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> he should be ignored he left over a decade ago!

since when has leaving, been a reason to ignore?

DandelionPowderman Wrote:
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> >
This is all about
> the swing, which Darryl lacks completely. Yes, he
> is a technically gifted musician, but he sorely
> lacks the swing and imagination that took this
> band to another level.

I follow you on you statement re bill: he was (is) a great bass player and just perfect for the stones.

On the other hand I do not agree at all with your opinion on DJ. Darryl is another great bassist, the incarnation of groove. He has a sense of time that is incredible. He has a different approach than Bill - true. We can discuss if you like darryl's lines better than bill's - fair enough, but to say he can't swing is just as big as saying that Ya Ya is an example of bill's bad playing-

Talking about swing, the jam part of knocking features some superb interaction between Watts and DJ. Let's talk about rambler, especially the latest versions of the ABB tour: the "quiet" part is absolutely amazing - and DJ's simple groovy bass lines are the meat of it!

Are you sure that whip 2003 is lame because of Darryl? Try playing over it a ferocious rythm guitar as jagger's in the original, and you will have a totally different song.

C

Wyman made Whip excel in 1981, IMO, Darryl didn't do it in 2002. The 1981-versions of Whip are not my favourite versions, because of more unstable rhythm guitar playing than in 1978. I didn't like the guitars in 2002 either, but this time there was no bass to save the swing. The bass is on-beat, and the lines are not groovy. That's why I think of Whip as a good example of this subject.

I agree, but to a certain extent only. I only think that there are certain songs that suited better bills style rather than dj's (like there are songs that suited better Taylor's stile) and vice versa.

But this has nothing to do with darryl's bass playing that is amazing.

C

DJ IS great. Bottom line.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-08 14:35 by My Stones.

A certain swing is defo missing since BW left......

My Stones thinks DJ is great. Fine. I just don't see how someone could miss out on many studio and live recordings with Bill. To try to ignore this, or someone not able to experience these precious recordings is sad. Bill has left his unique and gifted playing with the Stones that will last forever. Bill being just a lucky bass player......????? Wow! I would think DJ is kind of lucky to be in his position!!!
I'm lucky too! I'm gonna play some Stones!!!!!!

Lets put it this way. If DJ left and Wyman took over in 94. Alot of people would say: "this guy can't swing" or "where did they pick up this stiff". Blah Blah Blah. If they had another drummer and Charlie took over in 94 the board would be full of I Hate Charlie posts. That's my point.

Reality check! Imagine DJ as original member??? lol!!!! BW can't swing? Fantasy!
Thats my point.

Name one song he swings on? Miss You? Disco octave licks. NOPE!! Rip This Joint? Yeah that bass line swings. OH WAIT THAT WASN'T HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bill had a great bass swing sound along with charlie...they made a great team....whether bill is the very best...well who cares.. he made a great team with charlie watts to help give the stones their sound....as stonesrule said bill's bass defines the stones sound...THAT alone makes him GREAT!

>> as stonesrule said bill's bass defines the stones sound <<

smile: reality check number 2! it's not Bill's bass that defines the Stones sound, it's all of them.
Bill's a thoroughbred Rolling Stone who's chosen to do other things.
the Stones have a different bass player now, not a "replacement". i like Darryl fine.
and i freakin love the Rolling Stones



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with sssoul Wrote:
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> >> as stonesrule said bill's bass defines the
> stones sound <<
>
> smile: reality check number 2! it's not Bill's
> bass that defines the Stones sound, it's all of
> them.
> Bill's a thoroughbred Rolling Stone who's chosen
> to do other things.
> the Stones have a different bass player now, not a
> "replacement". i like Darryl fine.
> and i freakin love the Rolling Stones
I agree. jones is playing bass for the stones-not a replacement "stone" for Bill!! And bless him if he wants to play boogie woogie with his buddies-he's earned it.

scottkeef Wrote:
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> with sssoul Wrote:
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> -----
> > >> as stonesrule said bill's bass defines the
> > stones sound <<
> >
> > smile: reality check number 2! it's not Bill's
> > bass that defines the Stones sound, it's all of
> > them.
> > Bill's a thoroughbred Rolling Stone who's
> chosen
> > to do other things.
> > the Stones have a different bass player now, not
> a
> > "replacement". i like Darryl fine.
> > and i freakin love the Rolling Stones
> I agree. jones is playing bass for the stones-not
> a replacement "stone" for Bill!! And bless him if
> he wants to play boogie woogie with his
> buddies-he's earned it.


Allthough Darryl is playing bass for the Stones - and isn't a replacement for Bill; - Bill's swinging bass, together with Charlie Watts, still defines the sound of the Rolling Stones



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-08 22:18 by Erik_Snow.

Hi Erik!!!

well thats the point he once defined a sound, now he's not there and DJ is. He is redefining.

OLDKR

Hi Cindy, where in heavens name have you been ?

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> Hi Cindy, where in heavens name have you been ?


Nowhere special. Just been concentrating on work lately.

oldkr Wrote:
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> well thats the point he once defined a sound, now
> he's not there and DJ is. He is redefining.
>
> OLDKR


"Once" yes, but 90% of the RS music on record was done with Bill playing - and that's quite an important part of that bands career.
We still listen to their 'older' records, don't we..?
Not so sure if Darryl is redefining anything, even though he's playing the bass - now.



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CindyC Wrote:
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> Nowhere special. Just been concentrating on work
> lately.


Same here, Cindy, lots of concentrating.

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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Same here, Cindy, lots of concentrating.



Good boy! Be smart! I'm very proud of you.

>> Bill's swinging bass, together with Charlie Watts, still defines the sound of the Rolling Stones <<

smile: thanks for admitting Charlie! so what are Keith, Ronnie and Mick doing?
i love Bill's bass playing, but he's a Rolling Stone.

heya CindyC! how are you - long time since i've seen you
(sorry - i'm listening to the First Barbarians again, and that number ... ! ohh my)



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with sssoul Wrote:
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> >> Bill's swinging bass, together with Charlie
> Watts, still defines the sound of the Rolling
> Stones <<
>
> smile: thanks for admitting Charlie! so what are
> Keith, Ronnie and Mick doing?

They are decorating that rythm cliff with their musical personality.

Hi with sssoul! can't begin to tell how much I miss you, i wish I could, but it sure beats talking about the weather. :- )

Yeah that's a good song, I love that one (that is the one you're referring to, right?)

>> I love that one (that is the one you're referring to, right?) <<

no, but that'll do very nicely too! :E i love it as well.
i was quoting Shirley at you - at Kilburn what they play is
a combination of Shirley with Monkey Man that is just totally totally hot

>> They are decorating that rythm cliff with their musical personality. <<

very nice imagery, Erik! and i admire your passion, as always :E
but even Bill said Keith was crucial to the formation of those glorious cliffs;
plus which, creating the songs is a little more than mere embellishment, i'd say.
i believe i understand what you mean, though, so ...
hail hail to Bill Wyman for 30 years of radiant-makin bass-playing -
thanks & praises and all the best in pursuing what he feels like pursuing -
meanwhile, i just freakin love the Rolling Stones



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-08 23:07 by with sssoul.

My Stones Wrote:
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>
>
> DJ can play circles around Bill. His phrasing is
> superb not BW's. Bill was hit or miss. Most of the
> time miss. Live once one mistake after another.
> Listen to Ya Yas. he can't get through a verse
> without a bum note. Bill was a lucky man. In the
> right place right time. DJ has talent and an ear
> for music something BW nevrer had.

nonsense. utterly. sad case dude.
standing right on the tracks and still missing the train. wow. your name is 'MYSTONES"??
i'm glad you like MYSTONES, whoever they might be, but me, i like The Rolling Stones.
Check 'em out sometime...
there's a discography page on timesisonmyside...good luck!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-08 23:29 by Beelyboy.

oldkr Wrote:
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> he should be ignored he left over a decade ago!

Nonsense.

and by that bit of sterling logic the songs (bill songs) and others ten twenty or thirty or forty years ago should be ignored as well. (but for you fine contemporary cutting edge 'right now' people, who are still listening to the songs (bill on bass songs) and then professing an original Rolling Stone, there for the ENTIRE major impact of whatever they'll contribute, should be ignored?
wow, nonsense is putting it kindly, trust me.

what a nonsense post. standing on the tracks and still missing the train. how sad.

bill crossed the line, no one made him do it

Beelyboy I didn't say by whom he should be ignored. I meant of course by the fans- as he is no longer a stone. By the band as they have a new bass player and shouldn't sit around talking about the golden days (they dont).

I didn't say anything about his contributions other than when he was playing he did help to define the sound. Retune your nonsense meter my friend.

OLDKR