Did Bob Dylan ever sue the Stones for reworking "Tangled up in Blue" into "Too Tough" or was there some understanding?

Did Robert Johnson's estate sue dylan for Rolling and Tumbling on last album where he simply changed the lyrics (in his brilliant inimitable fashion) and claimed full songwriting credit? As for Too Tough, what are you talking about?

What am I talking about? It's same song with different words! What are you talking about?

Too Tough? Tangled Up In Blue?

Wow...thats stretching it a bit, I see no comparison, are you serious? Lol.

It will sink in. Keep singing them both, one after the other.

apples and oranges

Nope. Orange and tangerine.

If you listen to Streets Of Love enough times, it's comparabile to the sound of a toilet flushing.

carefully Slim, step away from the crack pipe

Indystone, with all due respect, I'm right about this. Hairball, the sound of a toilet flushing is quite good musically compared to Streets of Shit whcih I regard as probably the worst song of all time with a few runners up on Primitive Cool and Goddess.

Hmm. Let's test the theory. Below, by practicng the ancient art of weaving, I fuse the lyrics of Too Tough and Tangled Up in Blue into one unholy mess,

Same song, different lyrics? Beats me. But it's a fun exercise. Only for one stanza, though; don't want to overstay my welcome.

If you want to wreck my life
Go ahead my love
Wond'rin' if she'd changed at all
If her hair was still red.
My circulation's running dry
It's you that drank me up
They never did like Mama's homemade dress
Papa's bankbook wasn't big enough.
When it comes to fighting
Trying to play it rough
Heading out for the East Coast
Lord knows I've paid some dues gettin' through,
Too tough, too tough

This could be or become the only Jagger/Richards/Dylan ever.

Monkeylad Wrote:
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> Hmm. Let's test the theory. Below, by practicng
> the ancient art of weaving, I fuse the lyrics of
> Too Tough and Tangled Up in Blue into one unholy
> mess,
>
> Same song, different lyrics? Beats me. But it's a
> fun exercise. Only for one stanza, though; don't
> want to overstay my welcome.
>
> If you want to wreck my life
> Go ahead my love
> Wond'rin' if she'd changed at all
> If her hair was still red.
> My circulation's running dry
> It's you that drank me up
> They never did like Mama's homemade dress
> Papa's bankbook wasn't big enough.
> When it comes to fighting
> Trying to play it rough
> Heading out for the East Coast
> Lord knows I've paid some dues gettin' through,
> Too tough, too tough



Thats great Monkeylad! Can you please give us the ancient art of weaving theory/technique to these lyrics?

Dylan's "Knockin' On Heavens Door" and the Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil".

Dylan's "Serve Somebody" and the Stones' "You Can't Always Get What You Want".

Too Tough? Tangled Up In Blue?

When you say it, the verses are a bit similar, but the songs are really compeletely different.

The Stones did a more obvious rip off with Indian Girl, which is very similar to one of Dylan's songs on Desire (can't remember the title).

Indian Girl? A song off Desire?

Can't figure out which Desire track DandelionPowderman is directing our attention to.

Could it be . . . omigod! . . . JOEY?!

Try this on for size:

Larry was the oldest, Joey was next to last.
Last piece of meat was eaten by the soldiers that raped her
Some say they lived off gambling and runnin' numbers, too.
Please mister gringo, please find my father!

Little Indian Girl
King of the streets, child of clay.
Little Indian Girl
What made them want to come and blow you away?



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Should the Stones sue Dylan for reworking "Fiji Jim" into "Silvio"?

can't imagine dylan would ever have heard "Too Tough." Can you imagine him sitting and listening to it all the way through?

Their "Like A Rolling Stone" sounds VERY similar to Bob's "Like A Rolling Stone".

"2 Tuff" and "Tangled"? I ain't hearing it.

Now, "Tweeter And The Monkey Man", that's just like "Monkey Man"!

"No Anchovies, Please"

Hmm, I wonder how differently the Stones' career would have played out had Bob Dylan replaced Mick Taylor in 1976, rather than Ron Wood.

I wonder if Mick and Keith would have allowed Bob only an occasional songwriting credit over the years. Maybe "Wiggle Wiggle" could have been allowed onto Voodoo Lounge as a Jagger-Richards-Dylan track.

It's not as farfetched as you might think; Bob wanted to become a member of the Grateful Dead at one point in the '80s.

ive made my fare share of weird song comparrisons that no one agrees with, so now its my turn to disagree. Tangled up in blue and too tough? WTF?????

I think jigsaw puzzle and who's been sleeping here sound like dylan, but i cant think of any one song in particualr.

I'm a Stones fan, but I'm not going to ignore what is plain obvious, at least to me.

Elmo said:

> "Twistin' The Night Away" is a great song.


yes it sure is... I like the Rod Stewart cover.

Slimharpo, I've always admired a man who will stick to what he believes. By the way, I have to thank you. I spent my afternoon rediscovering Blood on the Tracks. Still a bloody fantastic masterpiece!

the ancient art of weaving is when you get two ok guitar players that need to work together to sound lke one great guitar player, if you notice when taylor was in the stones there was no need to weave, lol



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Indystone, seek out the bootleg Blood on the Tracks, if you can. Dylan originally recorded the album in New York, and then decided to re-record in Minneapolis with a different set of musicians.

Thanks Monkeylad, I didn't realize that. I'm a man w/a mission now.

Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't Keith say Blood on the Tracks was his favorite Dylan album? I've always liked that Johnny Cash type tune with The jack of Hearts in the title.

rollin and tumblin was NOT a robert johnson song..it was a muddy waters song i believe..

get your facts straight boy

The earliest know version of Roll & Tumble Blues
is from 1929 by Hambone Willie Newborn who also claimed to
be playing it as early as 1915....Robert Johnson's worked over
version If I Had Possession Over Judgement Day was cut in 1936....

Baby Face Leroy's version with Muddy Waters on slide and
Little Walter on harp was cut in the first month of 1950...Muddy
then cutting his own version a month later in 1950 with only Big Crawford on bass...



ROCKMAN



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Muddy recorded it in 1950. R. J.'s version is from 1936 a.k.a. If I had possession over judgment day. But before that, Hambone Willie Newbern put it out as the Roll and Tumble Blues.