Sorry for this dumb question, but as there haven't been much talk about Europe 07 recently. Perhaps could someone with a better insight (BV?) tell if the similarity of situation in the US with Europe 06 (poorly sold concerts canceled due to "illness") might affect plans for Europe 07?

I mean, if there would be an announcement in December there should be either strong rumous for already booked stadiums and arenas or - on the other hand - strong roumurs that the whole thing (weren't we talking about 30 - 40 shows) won't be happening!?

I mean, are there any recent secret hints pro or cons Europe 07?

Thanks!

Stoneswolf



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What mess? A few dates cancelled due to ill health?

Well,seeing is believin....I really hope to see them one more time!Or more!

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> What mess? A few dates cancelled due to ill
> health?

I think Hawaii is not canceled due to health reasons. I think all the cancelations in Europe were on the one hand bad luck as US fall was already sheduled and they just could not do more gigs, but on the other hand it saved the boys from some poorly sold gigs. But Hawaii, if they cancel it - for what reason if not economic ones?

Would they risk it in 07 again?



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Europe 07 isn't confirmed yet and it seems
like it'll never happen!

I think Ronnie's optimism concerning Europe
is good but there are three other guys in the pot too.

But a reflection is to be made. Since Jagger now easily
cathes larynghitis, why on earth play an outdoor event
at nearly 0 degrees Celsius in Chicago (I believe it was there)?

Just can't understand why they're doing this!

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!

Just say a prayer !!!!

just wait for the announcements.. think they will come this month..

Life's just a cocktail party on the street

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> What mess? A few dates cancelled due to ill
> health?


explain hawaii, then. has a clairvoyant told Mick he'll get laryngitis if he travels out there?

and while youre at it, feel free to justify the delay in postponing AC when the crew and casinos knew in advance it was off and he continued to rehearse (defying long term medical advice) for the Beacon show(s)

Does that really constitute a mess for the whole tour? 2 or 3 shows?

I believe the subject of the thread referred to the "current mess". While to argue that the 'whole tour' is a 'mess' is a matter of opinion, the last few days certainly are, I'm sure you would agree

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> Does that really constitute a mess for the whole
> tour? 2 or 3 shows?


Certainly not. If the US fall leg is a financial mess - I don't know.
I'd be glad to be wrong, but without the money machine I am afraid we wouldn't get those large and great tours and shows anymore. And if there is no financial basis for a Europe 07 30 - 40 gigs tour, there won't be 30-40 gigs for sure. Perhaps something like 99 but with shows in Spain, Sweden + addons in Germany and UK. Perhaps no Eastern Europe - moneywise... Perhaps they annonce 10 shows in Europe and wait how well they sell. I cannot imagine them playing in Island (what would realy be cool, not only for tempertaure reasons!) if they cannot afford to ship the stage to Hawaii. I really like(d) the idea of them playing in non-vistited "excotic" cities in Europe 07. Just do a non-economic Europe 07 tour! With no stage and expensive crew to be paid and complicated tour logistics! Forget the money thing! Just play gigs in a spontanious manner - and there won't be any complaints of longterm planed and shortterm canceled monumental gis in half emptied stadiums!



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I can assure y'all Europe's no develope-country-area.
They do earn bucks here too.

And to compare this mess is a waterglass hurricane;
or have everybody already forgotten last summer?

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> explain hawaii, then. has a clairvoyant told Mick
> he'll get laryngitis if he travels out there?
>
> and while youre at it, feel free to justify the
> delay in postponing AC when the crew and casinos
> knew in advance it was off and he continued to
> rehearse (defying long term medical advice) for
> the Beacon show(s)

Exactly. And this is a different issue than the Stones only being humans who can get ill. Surely everyone can see the difference.

I hope that Euro 07 will go on but the risk of cancelled shows will more high than this year. May be the Stones must do only 2 shows per week next year with more days off for rest, eventual moved dates...

New cancelations in Europe will be a nightmare, specially in Europe.

See you in Spain?

For the record, if Mick has a sore throat (and Ive no reason to doubt that he has) I fully respect his decision to postpone a concert to protect his voice. Everyone here does, I would like to believe. I dont believe its a decision he would take lightly.

The only issues here are that a) the aggravation to his (already fragile) vocal cords was preventable had he not spent much of the week rehearsing for another event and b) the late delay in the announcement of the postponement combined with what appears to be strong evidence that it was widely known amongst the crew and the casinos some time in advance that this show would not take place, combined with the mysterious haste that a rescheduled date was seemingly found.

The combination of both of those issues in many people's eyes merely emphasises the belief that the Atlantic City date was 'sacrificed' for the Beacon shows and the decision to do so was taken some considerable time before the announcement of the postponement was made official. I'm not a conspiracy theorist regarding the cancellation of shows due to illness by nature, but I have heard or read nothing from anyone in the last few days that has stopped me from being convinced that the people who had tickets for Atlantic City were shat on from a great height and treated appallingly.

Had they even announced a few days beforehand that AC was being rescheduled they might have saved some face out of this.



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> I hope that Euro 07 will go on but the risk of
> cancelled shows will more high than this year. May
> be the Stones must do only 2 shows per week next
> year with more days off for rest, eventual moved
> dates...


Well, I wouldn't expect concerts at 0° celsius in Europe in Summer, so I don't thnik that there is a bigger risk of illness. I mean: they play Chicago in "Winter", but were afraid to play Europe till the end of September because "Of the bad weather". They could start touring Europe in the beginng of Spring beginning in the South without risking a flu!

In Europe 2003 Jagger got langrithis after a short trip to Toronto for a important event there. Without the trip he probably wouldn't have gotten langrithis and the Amsterdam concert (which should have been broadcasted around Europe) wouldn't have been canceled. I mean, if you do not deo too risky thinks when on tour (tree climbing, long distace flights, playing at zero degrees) you might get less ill and fewer people would be dissapointed. On the other hand - as I mentioned Amsterdam 03, there were also rumours that the cancelation due to health reasons could be related to the (then canceld) broadcasting of the concert.

So I don't think that there is higher real health risk in 07.



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I'm done with this mess.........mind you....at least I save $$$ by not driving to NYC for the November 1st show (original show) that should have happened.

There will be very few Americans spending $1500 on VIP travel packages which will limit the profitability of the shows. I trust that the memories of those Europeans burned this summer will not be short. The 2007 shows could prove more of a mess than these fall shows.

They'll become to Europe next summer, but let's hope they think of something other then another stadium leg of A Bigger Bang.

They have performed 108 shows on this tour. They had some problem in Europe last summer. But this is 2 shows cancelled, may be Hawaii too I suppose. For those who planned to go to these 3 shows a mess may be, but not for those 8 million or so who saw them in Rio and all those other 107 shows. And next summer they will do Europe so no worries. And then they will do Nort America more shows 2008 so start saving up.

Bjornulf

More shows in 2008? Does this seem possible? But coming from BV I know there must be substance to a comment like that. Just please do arenas guys.

More shows in 2008? NO WAY.

If thats no typo - I'm amazed about the 2008 shows, especialy when written by BV.

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And then they will do Nort America more shows 2008 so
start saving up.

sweet lord- like they haven't exhausted the US market, enough already.

Seconday markets. I am sure there are dozens of Missoula's and Wichita's in North America. Probably but it is not yet. Europe first. They have only two options. Perform or stop. I guess they choose the first option.

Bjornulf

bv Wrote:
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--- And then they will do Nort America more shows 2008 so
> start saving up.

A three year long tour! Its like The Hundred Year War.
Well, well, it would suit me as I finally seem to reach my dream country in 08...

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> > A three year long tour! Its like The Hundred Year War.

Bridges To Babylon - No Security - Bridges To Babylon.
1997 - 1998 - 1999.

And now: 2005-06-07-08? :-)

I strongly doubt Europe 07 will happend..

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may be Hawaii too I suppose.

No, it's still on. See RS.com. They only mention the Beacon show.
Just being a smart-ass.
Don't make travel arrangements for this gig!



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