bv Wrote:
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Perform or stop. I guess they choose the first option.

wow... sounds like Mick's had a change of heart, regarding wanting to do
'other things' and being bored with the tour.

Guess they've twisted Charlie's arm again!

bv Wrote:
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> They have performed 108 shows on this tour. They
> had some problem in Europe last summer. But this
> is 2 shows cancelled, may be Hawaii too I suppose.
> For those who planned to go to these 3 shows a
> mess may be, but not for those 8 million or so who
> saw them in Rio and all those other 107 shows.

Eight millions ???
On september 26th 2006, 3,100,000 tickets were sold since the beginninig of the ABB tour in Boston in 2005.
Even if I add another million people from Rio, we are far away from 8 millions.

Bjornulf,

I'm pretty surprised to hear you saying 2008 for more North American dates. Just before this leg of the tour opened in Foxboro, you were saying it would soon become apparent that this was the final North American tour, at least as part of a world tour. I'm still waiting to see what you meant, which obviously was not a prediction of shows being postponed and cancelled.

Have things changed that much in the past 6 weeks that we now can think about a 2008 North American tour, compared to what you had been hinting at?

I'm not a doctor, but saw somewhere (perhaps BV wrote it) that Mick needs maximum 4 days to recover from laryngitis. If that's correct, in Europe 2007 they should do one gig EVERY FOUR DAYS. Why not? This would be very good...

(A)...For Mick's voice.
(...For the band- more breaths, more time for rehearsals, etc.
too.
(C) ...For the fans- very important! Since 1997/98 Stones fans very often have much trouble with cancelations and a huge part of them refers to Mick's laryngitis. Fans need to see that the band respects them, as they deserve!

Do you think "one gig every 4 days" model is unrealistic? Why? This plan allow them to do 25 shows, probably in stadiums, during 100 days- May 20/Augoust 31. Well, 25 stadium gigs mean 1,200,000 - 1,300,000 people. The Stones already have played to 910,000 during european leg 2006.
Do they want to play to even more people? Fine. Before May 20 and after Augoust 31 they hardly can find available stadiums (due to football games), but there are a lot of fields! In the last years, every time the Stones play at fields, the gigs are very successful.

As for the other factors, honestly, i don't see how "the current mess" could affect Europe 07. First of all, even the current leg of the american tour included a lot of successful gigs. Actually, they had serious problems in cities they played earlier, on this tour, three or four times. Add 1-2 more cases (like Seattle) and that's all. So, what exactly have the current american leg and Europe 2007 in common? Are they planing to visit Barcelona, Madrid, Athens, Zagreb, Brussels, and Rome 4-5 times, each city, as they did in N.York, Boston, Chicago and LA??? I don't think so...

Europe 2006- a "shattered" tour, with World Cup taking place in Germany: They attracted 910,000 people, doing 19 gigs, selling the 87% of the tickets available. Who really considers these numbers as ""daunting"? And IF they offer lower prices... maybe thinking that they already have in their pocket the @#$%& "grosses record"... I say, IF...

any talk of 2008 is totally ridiculous. No one on this earth knows what the Stones will be doing then. So many variables including health, ticket sales, future recording or old material release plans, desire of the band etc. etc.
My guess (and that is all anyone can do) is that the Stones will take considerable time off with the loose plan to do something in a few years to gear up to "50 licks" godwilling.
For now as an Oakland ticket holder I am thinking the odds of that happening in 5 days is quite a bit less than 50/50. Ever since they added Beacon I have been thinking they jammed too much in this time period and made it so things would have had to work perfect to pull off everything as scheduled.

arizojp wrote

"bv Wrote:
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> They have performed 108 shows on this tour. They
> had some problem in Europe last summer. But this
> is 2 shows cancelled, may be Hawaii too I suppose.
> For those who planned to go to these 3 shows a
> mess may be, but not for those 8 million or so who
> saw them in Rio and all those other 107 shows.

Eight millions ???
On september 26th 2006, 3,100,000 tickets were sold since the beginninig of the ABB tour in Boston in 2005.
Even if I add another million people from Rio, we are far away from 8 millions."

Correct. Also, the Stones never have played to 8 millions people during a tour. Even Voodoo Lounge attracted 6,575,000, not more.

the tour start in europe was a mess, but that didn't stop me i did see 13 of 19 shows off course i had some refund problems like everyone else, but most of it is solved now
just do what you have to do and dont make to much plans, you can arrange a lot when you're touring

-Menno

Life's just a cocktail party on the street

bv Wrote:
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> Seconday markets. I am sure there are dozens of
> Missoula's and Wichita's in North America.
> Probably but it is not yet. Europe first. They
> have only two options. Perform or stop. I guess
> they choose the first option.


In 2002, the Eagles did a highly successful 2 month, 32 concert North American tour which was almost all secondary markets. Some of the cities they played have already been played by the Stones on this tour but here's a list of the other cities they played that all have big enough venues that could work for a Stones tour:

Reno, NV, Lawlor Events Center
Albuquerque, NM, The Pit Arena
Edmonton, Canada, Skyreach Centre
George, WA, Gorge Amphitheatre
Spokane, WA, Spokane Arena
Fargo, ND, Fargodome
Grand Rapids, MI, Van Andel Arena
Lubbock, TX, United Spirit Arena
Oklahoma City, OK, The New Ford Center Arena
Bossier City, LA, CenturyTel Center
Knoxville, TN, Thompson-Boling Arena
Moline, IL, Mark of the Quad Cities
Kansas City, MO, Kemper Arena
Ames, IA, Hilton Coliseum
Tupelo, MS, BancorpSouth Center
Birmingham, AL, BJCC Arena
Baton Rouge, LA, Pete Maravich Assembly Center
Biloxi, MS, Mississippi Coast Coliseum

There's a number of other places that have arenas that could work also, where the Stones have never played. They could throw in a few major markets in there as well that always have been good for the Stones, like another 1-2 shows in NYC at Madison Square Garden in case some of these secondary markets don't sell as well as hoped.

They canceled Hawaii because no one wanted to go. I wonder why they didn't just cancel L.A. - on Ticketmaster you can still get blocks of TEN seats in front and sides of B-Stage, the big stage, and elsewhere all over the stadium. I bought a four- pack, and I bet if I turn on the charm at the box office the day of the show they will upgrade me for NOTHING!

(So I guess I shouldn't complain....)

Ok. So may be my brain is screwed up so they did not perform to 8 but may be 4 million. Rio was 1.5 million but I suppose they count still. Point is many people have enjoyed the band on this tour, and there will be a lot more to come. I don't work for the Stones. They change their plans as time goes by. After India 2005 they loved it so much they said they would go back, so they will be back in April or so 2007 for three shows. May be they liked it so much in Wichita and Missoula they asked Michael Cohl to book another 40 shows for them the year after Europe. After all Mick shot and elk and put it back,and Keith did actually say he thought about moving there. Don't shoot me. I am only the piano player. Feel free to trust RS.com if that is a better source for info about your future as a Stones fan. But you know I never say anything out of the blue...

Bjornulf

Shot an elk and put it back?

....BV, Thanks for the great news. I love your posts....I'm still laughing about Mick shooting an elk...."AND PUT IT BACK."

....that's golden....

Maybe it was too small. I do the same with the fishes.

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> Maybe it was too small. I do the same with the
> fishes.

You shoot fishes BB?

Missoula is a little bit like Norway. Mountains. Rivers. Trout fishing. They stayed at cottages in close contact with the nature in Missoula. Not really any 5-star hotels there, just a Hyatt Inn... I am sure Mick got to learn everything about catch and release. And as mostly a vegetarian I am sure he though that was a nice idea with elk hunting as well. I just loved his comment about putting it back - the elk I mean. Did not want to make any worries you know.

Bjornulf

we need a translator here to know what is meant by :

"as mostly a vegetarian I am sure he though that was a nice idea with elk hunting as well. I just loved his comment about putting it back - the elk I mean. Did not want to make any worries you know."

you're a good man bv, but I don't know what the hell you're talking about.lol.

Fan Since 1964 Wrote:
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> Europe 07 isn't confirmed yet and it seems
> like it'll never happen!


This comes from...?

JumpingKentFlash

Barking Paul, if ya scroll upwards ya be enlightened.

And Bv, it sure as hell is a little bit like Sweden too.

Come to the Finnmark of Medelpad, and I assure you Keith & Mick
as well as yourself will ove it. Bill's ex-wife Astrid comes from such a place
with furs & pines everywhere, and mountains all over. Thats parish Färila.
County Hälsingland is also like that.

Yes I think I've got it....Mick didn't actually shoot the elk,he just caught it in a trap and then let it go...is that right?

There really isn't much we don't know about Mick is there,
selling ice creams, shooting elk and singing in a rock n'roll band
could life be any better?

I find it VERY hard to believe there will be any shows in 2007 or 2008.

Vancouver will be the end and then they rest for a year, then maybe solo projects. The Stones, as we know them, are DONE.

Thanks for the memories.

georgeV Wrote:
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> I find it VERY hard to believe there will be any
> shows in 2007 or 2008.
>
> Vancouver will be the end and then they rest for a
> year, then maybe solo projects. The Stones, as we
> know them, are DONE.
>
> Thanks for the memories.

prepare to be proven wrong- bv reports Europe in 2007- US in 2008

barking paul Wrote:
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> we need a translator here to know what is meant by
> :
>
> "as mostly a vegetarian I am sure he though that
> was a nice idea with elk hunting as well. I just
> loved his comment about putting it back - the elk
> I mean. Did not want to make any worries you
> know."
>
> you're a good man bv, but I don't know what the
> hell you're talking about.lol.




Again...I am really laughing it up over this.....I know you can catch a fish and release it. But once you shoot an elk, it's pretty much going to die, right? So putting it back isn't really doing the elk any favors is it?


I assume Mick was being funny, right? ...and I'm assuming he didn't really shoot an elk.

tranquiliser dart?

I'd rather have my nation's King beside me in the elk forest
than having ol' Jagger there (the king dude is younger, actually)...
No, if you ask me he didnt shoot anything.
And for Jagger's knowledge I can tell ya the Canadian/
Northern US state's name for that creature is moose.

As a ps I can tell ya such an animal run right across the road
last Saturday after we drove off from the mall. Hunting time,
the poor bastards are scared, literally, to death...

My summary: All credible sources speak of a tour in Europe & Asia
in 2007, Bv even mentions 2008. What is there to doubt?

Lukester Wrote:
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>
> Again...I am really laughing it up over this.....I
> know you can catch a fish and release it. But once
> you shoot an elk, it's pretty much going to die,
> right? So putting it back isn't really doing the
> elk any favors is it?


Maybe he shot it with a camera?? But if elk/moose is as good as venison then he's missing out. Looking forward to getting some venison from my friendly farmer who is overrun with deer...

OTOH maybe Mick has Foot & Mouth not laryngitis??? He could have got it from the elk. That would be the only reason that the unhappy events of this last week might have any effect on 2007.

Asia in 07 ..
does that mean a quick trip to Australia ????

cmon Mick

get ya scrawny arse back down here

good luck I dont see the Stones playing in 07...or at least any Stadiums....

from Stonesdoug : (posted at RO)
"The band has been in the process of setting up South America and some Asian shows in places like Thailand for next srping before moving back to Europe for the summer."

Hey Deathgod - Mick said in Melbourne in April that Charlie will be back on Boxing Day - to watch the Aussies destroy the Poms in the cricket.

pool's in but the patio ain't dry

India and Bangkok probably. Don't think they will do much more. The rest will be Europe and may be Dubai, places close to Europe that is. They don't want to tour all over the world. They want to do what they lost out on this summer, like Brussels, Gothenburg, Barcelona, Madrid, El Ejido, Poland and so on.

Bjornulf