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Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: stonefan ()
Date: July 12, 2006 22:27

yes LoIA you're right but I 'm afraid you lose your time to explain things to people that just don't care for the art !

the important thing is to win ! even if you insult someone, it's great if it can help !

the important thing is to WIN by all means !!

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: dunhill ()
Date: July 12, 2006 22:35

LolA Wrote:
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> "We have also found out it was no racist shit so
> please, let's close this thread."
> No such thing has been said, sorry, you're making
> this up now.

WHAAAAAAAAAT?

I guess StonesFan is a little bit more close to the point he wants to prove, I can even agree with him on certain matters, but, then again, I guess you are expecting football players to be some kind of saints they are not at all.:

Here's a few quotes of you and other saying it was about racism and not simple insults.

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Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: stonefan (IP Logged)
Date: July 12, 2006 13:49

this lout has an incredible nerve when he says that he does not know what the word terrorist means !

in a way, he betrays himself by his insolence !

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Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: LolA (IP Logged)
Date: July 12, 2006 18:48

"As Blatter, the head of the FIFA, loves Zidane and hates Italy, hence he didn't take part to the final cerimony, "

Maybe Blatter didn't fancy having his picture taken with such a high concentration of guys on trial for corruption affairs...

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Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: LolA (IP Logged)
Date: July 12, 2006 18:42

I think it is not about giving the cup to one country or another, it's about racism. Racism is just not acceptable. Not in the street, not at school, not on a football pitch. By not investigating this, you're sending the message to the whole world that it's ok to be racist, that racist insults are just normal as they are so commonly used, and that it's fine to use them to try and win a sport game...It is just not acceptable.
I am amazed by the complacency of so many here regarding racism.

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Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: LolA (IP Logged)
Date: July 12, 2006 19:01

> Italians get called maccaroni all the time in
> France and we don't make pleas to the UN for this.

Being called "Maccaroni" is like tHe French being called "cheese eaters" and so on. It's a harmless joke about cultural references.
Racism is a completely different matter, and cannot be treated so lightly...

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Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: LolA (IP Logged)
Date: July 12, 2006 19:31

Ok, my mistake dunhill, i didn't check it out.

I think Stonefan has summed it up pretty well. It's 2 completely different spirits. Italians just care about winning, no matter how, with what dirty tricks or whatever. It doesn't matter to them to praise a guy who publicly declares to be so ignorant that he doesn't know what the word "terrorist" means.
On the other hand, French players are human beings before being football players. There are things that matter more to them than winning a world cup, no matter how bad they want to win it, they've got values and integrity.

Andy JS: the fact that racist insults are being used all the time doesn't make them any more acceptable. Little girls and boys are being raped by pedophiles all the time, so do we have to just accept it as well?

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Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: stonefan (IP Logged)
Date: July 12, 2006 19:39

and LoIA has perfectly explained the differences between both spirits.

I just want to tell you that the article 55 of the FIFA rules is very clear :

if one or many players of a team are convinced of racist insults, then, they can lose the title they won..

it's not my obsession, it's written as a rule which must apply to everyone !

I hope you care for the rules dunhill and maumau ??!!

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Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: NickB (IP Logged)
Date: July 12, 2006 20:09

Sorry folks

but if the Italian said racist stuf he shouldn't have done so and should be reprimanded accordingly.....this would send out a message to fans and players alike, ban him for life.

Who cares about 22 overpaid morons on a pitch kicking a bag of wind about? And that's an insult to morons!!! For petes sake people get a grip it's only a game. It's not like the world will end or for that matter it's not like the whole tour has been cancelled.

NickB

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Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: stonefan (IP Logged)
Date: July 12, 2006 20:27

for the moment, one brazilian and one english have read the same thing

the italian lout said to zidane "terrorist son of whore", something subtle like that

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: LolA ()
Date: July 12, 2006 22:39

Yes, and I said racism has not been ruled out yet. Noone confirmed whether Mazerati'snsult were racist or not. We just know they were directed at his family.

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: dunhill ()
Date: July 12, 2006 22:42

Ok. We'll wait and see, ok?

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: July 12, 2006 22:51

Lola, when do you take your holidays? Soon?

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: LolA ()
Date: July 12, 2006 22:52

What is exactly your point Micksbrain?

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: July 12, 2006 23:01

Just trying to be friendly.......wow, sorry......

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: virgil ()
Date: July 12, 2006 23:14

stonefan Wrote:
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> yes LoIA you're right but I 'm afraid you lose
> your time to explain things to people that just
> don't care for the art !
>
> the important thing is to win ! even if you insult
> someone, it's great if it can help !
>
> the important thing is to WIN by all means !!


I agree, theres Trash talk in all sports. The best way to shut up trash talkers is to win.

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: stonefan ()
Date: July 12, 2006 23:19

....to win with class, which you can't do !!

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: stoned_in_dc ()
Date: July 12, 2006 23:35

MicksBrain Wrote:
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> Stoned in dc, a good friend wants to move there,
> what's the best neighborhood to live in (cool
> restaurants, bars, places to hang out, NOT stuck
> up) What about PALERMO, PALERMO HOLLYWOOD, SAN
> TELMO, CLOSE TO THEATRE COLON, or RELAT...Close to
> the famous cemetery...what's your opinion?

micksbrain,

well gosh... just saw this.. its a great time to move there.. things are going UP AND UP!

i lived in palermo.... between avenida las heras and avenida libertador... i think thats a great area .... lots of apartment buildings there to pick from..

recoleta is too stuck up or posh but its real nice (thats near the cemetery)..

for those who are youngER the place going now is called palermo hollywood..its sorta a more suburban like neighborhood..lots of two floor houses and stuff..lots of trendy boutiques etc.. but its not as connected...

i like palermo myself..you can walk from where i lived to palermo hollywood in 20-25 minutes....or take a cab and you're there in 5 minutes... palermo hollywood also gets a lot of partying and groups of youth walking around on weekend nights.. but its the hip place to be these days..



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-07-12 23:36 by stoned_in_dc.

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: July 13, 2006 00:01

Hey, Thanks alot, I've been there a few times and love it (but don't know the neighborhoods to well) Check out www.argentinahomes.com for apartments between $50,000 and $200,000. There's some really nice $60,000 to $90,000 ones IMO. My friends all into it, shows me all these websites. (BTW, know what you mean about W in DC - hard to take, I hear you) Thanks, MB

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: stoned_in_dc ()
Date: July 13, 2006 00:04

oh no problem

yah my mom moved there and bought a place... its nice.. i just picked the wrong two years to live there... things in 2001-2002 collapsed...it was like the great depression i imagine... oh well.. i'll be back..

best

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: dunhill ()
Date: July 13, 2006 00:14

stonefan Wrote:
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> ....to win with class, which you can't do !!
Ah come on, how old are you man? 18?
Just tell me how we didn't win with class?
Now, don't tell me that The Zidane/Materazzi incident was vital to us winning the cup.
You scored a single goal against us and it was a penalty kick, we scored on a real action.
When Zidane did France's only real attempt to score with his head our goalie made a miracle there, whilst Bartez goal was penetrated way too easily by Materazzi.
We were down of one goal since the 5th minute of the game, many teams would have lost concentration, we didn't and we won.
Deal with it, you lost because of our determination to win and, maybe, because of Zidane's reaction, not because of Materazzi's insults.

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: July 13, 2006 00:15

Yeah, 2001 - 2002 was bad but Argentina's ALWAYS gonna bounce back - not so sure if it ever happens here - USA - if the people will handle it very well...

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: Hurriganes ()
Date: July 13, 2006 00:27

dunhill Wrote:
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> stonefan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ....to win with class, which you can't do !!
> Ah come on, how old are you man? 18?
> Just tell me how we didn't win with class?
> Now, don't tell me that The Zidane/Materazzi
> incident was vital to us winning the cup.
> You scored a single goal against us and it was a
> penalty kick, we scored on a real action.
> When Zidane did France's only real attempt to
> score with his head our goalie made a miracle
> there, whilst Bartez goal was penetrated way too
> easily by Materazzi.
> We were down of one goal since the 5th minute of
> the game, many teams would have lost
> concentration, we didn't and we won.
> Deal with it, you lost because of our
> determination to win and, maybe, because of
> Zidane's reaction, not because of Materazzi's
> insults.



You're right. Italians seemed to be more concentrated and better prepared. The biggest advance they had was their great coach Lippi - there's the difference between these teams. Domenech took one of the world's best penalty kicker Thierry Henry out 10 min before the penalty kicks for example. He didn't give Trezeguet a change until the very last minutes of the tournament. That's a difficult preparation for anybody to go and work it out for France. Domenech's way to lead his team was not so impressive than Lippi's.

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: 1cdog ()
Date: July 13, 2006 01:28

dunhill Wrote:
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> I am bald but I didn't feel hurt at all winking smiley

Have you considered hair implants?

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: dunhill ()
Date: July 13, 2006 01:41

1cdog Wrote:
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> dunhill Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I am bald but I didn't feel hurt at all winking smiley
>
> Have you considered hair implants?

Man, I wouldn't do it for a life-time supply of Super-V.I.P.-All Access-Even-Keith's-Tuning-Room Passes.
I am balding, not completely bald, I am posting a pcture of me with Andy McCoy of Hanoi Rocks to show you my hair condition.
I write for the Italian edition of Rolling Stone and I did once interview the Italian King of Hair Transplants and Implants, Mr. Cesare Ragazzi, about aging rockstars that had a hair-job, with him giving votes to each one.
It was hylarious, he even offered me a 30 days test with one of his solutions but I declined.


Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: stoned_in_dc ()
Date: July 13, 2006 01:57

are you the crazy pirate?

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: dunhill ()
Date: July 13, 2006 01:58

stoned_in_dc Wrote:
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> are you the crazy pirate?
Nooooo, he's Andy McCoy of Hanoi Rocks, awesome guitar player and of course deeply inspired by Keith.
I am the guy on the left.

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: stoned_in_dc ()
Date: July 13, 2006 02:03

gotcha! i was just kidding...

well you still got a lot more than my uncle did for the last 30 years of his life..

baldness is really in these days..fyi..not that you're bald....

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: July 13, 2006 02:03

Hey imagine how long it takes that Andy guy to wash his hands....!!!
You know like havin' to take all those rings off so he dont get soap under 'em.



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: dunhill ()
Date: July 13, 2006 02:04

Rockman Wrote:
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> Hey imagine how long it takes that Andy guy to
> wash his hands....!!!
> You know like havin' to take all those rings off
> so he dont get soap under 'em.
And he washes them quite often.
After clubbing and drinking from 5pm to 5am we went to my hotel room to have some more vodka, first thing he did was wash his hands.

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: 1cdog ()
Date: July 13, 2006 02:08

dunhill Wrote:
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> 1cdog Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > dunhill Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I am bald but I didn't feel hurt at all winking smiley
> >
> > Have you considered hair implants?
>
> Man, I wouldn't do it for a life-time supply of
> Super-V.I.P.-All Access-Even-Keith's-Tuning-Room
> Passes.
> I am balding, not completely bald, I am posting a
> pcture of me with Andy McCoy of Hanoi Rocks to
> show you my hair condition.
> I write for the Italian edition of Rolling Stone
> and I did once interview the Italian King of Hair
> Transplants and Implants, Mr. Cesare Ragazzi,
> about aging rockstars that had a hair-job, with
> him giving votes to each one.
> It was hylarious, he even offered me a 30 days
> test with one of his solutions but I declined.
>
> [i61.photobucket.com]
> rnational/Andy.jpg

You need preventive medicine for the hair loss or you will be a slap head sooner than you realize.

How about a medicinal poltus disguised as a headband?....smiling smiley

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: dunhill ()
Date: July 13, 2006 02:10

1cdog Wrote:
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> You need preventive medicine for the hair loss or
> you will be a slap head sooner than you realize.
I don't care, in my company they already call me Zidane winking smiley

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: andy js ()
Date: July 13, 2006 02:11

dunhill Wrote:

> Man, I wouldn't do it for a life-time supply of
> Super-V.I.P.-All Access-Even-Keith's-Tuning-Room
> Passes.

good man. only fuckwits try and cover the dome when it starts to let the sunlight through


> I am balding, not completely bald

and if you shaved it all off you'd feel like a new man! best get it over with before the temptation to comb over and disguise it happens. one day i had hair down to my arse, the next i shaved it all right off. never regreted it for one minute. the time comes to get rid of it or end up like those old rockers you see at gigs clinging to every last strand as if their whole life depended on it

get some clippers and join the club!

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: Hurriganes ()
Date: July 13, 2006 02:12

dunhill Wrote:
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> stoned_in_dc Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > are you the crazy pirate?
> Nooooo, he's Andy McCoy of Hanoi Rocks, awesome
> guitar player and of course deeply inspired by
> Keith.



Last time The Stones were playing here in Andy's hometown Helsinki 2003 Mick was introducing Ronnie as "the Andy McCoy of their band" for the audience. I guess Andy was delighted, but would have been even more if it was Keith.


> I am the guy on the left.


ok winking smiley

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: July 13, 2006 02:14

Ah that's good....nothing better than a cleeeeeeeeen rock star...!!



ROCKMAN

Re: OT: Italien WM 2006 titel in danger
Posted by: NoMistake ()
Date: July 13, 2006 02:22

cmon italy was the best team this time. Canavaro,Riquelme and Zidane,the best players of the world cup and Zidane won the title. Thats OK

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