Does anyone knows the reason for him being in so many songs on BTB? I mean was he just around or did someone call him to be part of the sessions?


"Too many roads lead to nowhere
But how they twist and they turn
And a dead end and a dusty old strip mall
Where your tires are all shredded and burned"

- Driving Too Fast

Two words.......Ron Wood

Because Mick Taylor couldn't tear himself away from the all you can eat buffet across from the studio.

Glass Slide Wrote:
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> > Two words.......Ron Wood

But Ronnie is in most of the songs on BTB too (if not all of them, I'm not sure).


By the way I just want to know why is Waddy on the record so much I don't want this to become a thread to bash Ronnie or BTB. I like both Ronnie and the album.

I'm not sure why he's on so much other than his relationship with Keith and that it was recorded in LA where Waddy lives.

Regardless, his playing on How Can I Stop is perfect for the song...in essence the same sound as on his part in Linda Ronstadt's version of Allison.

Seems that during the recording of Bridges to babylon, the Stones camp was divided. Mick's camp and Keith's camp. Keith bought Waddy into his camp.Mick wanting to "updated" and not repeat themselves chose to use a few of the new Producers like the Dust Brothers. Keith of course wanting the more traditional Stones approach. Mick does not appear on some of Keith's songs, and keith's not on Mick's "Saint of me".Always thought the solo on "Has anybody seen my baby" was Waddy.That's the reason "A Bigger Bang" was recorded using the bare minimum of personnel.

Doesn't waddy play on "Saint of Me", which is the song keith doesn't play on? So it can't be as simple as that waddy was in keith's camp.

I'm interested in the question, too. Much as I like waddy's playing (with warren zevon), I was disturbed to see him on the credits. Makes you wonder where keith or ron are actually on the album.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-02-21 05:24 by cc.

CC! Keith once said that Bernald Fowler was a "alright guy"even if, he was in Mick's camp. Bernald came to the Stones thru Mick after backing him on his solo CDs and His solo tour.Bernald also , sings on all 3 of keith's songs from "Bridges".Keith was not happy with the way certain songs turned out,"Gunface" been one of them. I think "ABB" is the first CD that Mick appears on Keith's numbers since what? The '70s or "80s? Let know what you think. Enjoyed your post.

BTB was NOT a proper Stones album, It WAS dualing Mick and Keith solo albums and as such an entirely forced issue. To this day it ranks right up there with "Dirty Work."

Probably they couldn't tell apart who played what during mixing.

I love Bridges To Babylon regardless.

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> I love Bridges To Babylon regardless.


i like it quite a bit......

deuce! I agreed. I find myself preferring it and Voodoo Lounge over ABB.

kienan - thanks, I see what you mean. Maybe mick, like me, knew of waddy from other records and was glad to have him on board, even if it was keith bringing him. But it's still odd to have a substitute keith richards when you (supposedly) have the real thing right there! Plus ron...

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> BTB was NOT a proper Stones album, It WAS dualing
> Mick and Keith solo albums and as such an entirely
> forced issue. To this day it ranks right up there
> with "Dirty Work."


and if you never saw the credits for it or read about the sessions, would you or anyone have REALLY noticed the difference?


The quality of the end product is all that matters. And its a great record, much better than many "joint efforts" where Mick and Keith (as the hype would have you believe) were joined at the hip in its creation.

I may be wrong but i am not sure that Keith contributed that much on BTB, whether it is songwriting or guitar playing...

well, he plays on almost every song and writes about half of the songs

Aside from the 3 he sings lead on, he also wrote Flip the Switch, Lowdown and Always Suffering (or was it Too Tight? I cant remember which..one of them anyway)

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> I love Bridges To Babylon regardless.

Me too. There's not one weak song on that album.

But does Keith plays on Gunface after all? I mean Waddy is not credited on that song and Keith is. If that's not Keith, is that Ronnie playing rhythm guitar?


Thanks for the answers guys!

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> I think "ABB" is the first CD that Mick appears on
> Keith's numbers since what? The '70s or "80s?


Doesn't Mick sing backround vocals on The Worst? I always thought it was him...


Who the f*ck is Mick Jagger?

Keith The Beast Wrote:
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> But does Keith plays on Gunface after all? I mean
> Waddy is not credited on that song and Keith is.
> If that's not Keith, is that Ronnie playing rhythm
> guitar?

Isn't there some other guitarist credited on that track? I think the main riff may be keith, but I don't think the "nu metal" power chords during the chorus are... which leaves open the possibility that all the guitars are the other guy.

oh man the scary part is that if they ever did get rid of Ron Wood...this guy would get the job before "MT" would be called back...that is a horrifying thought..

man if they could just get it together enough to let the man come back and do his thing...keith and woody could 'weave' in the background while MT does what he does best...

it would be the best of both worlds...and it would be a service to the fans..who buy their records...no matter how good or bad they are..and are loyal to them to a fault...perhaps at this juncture in their career they could listen to the people that allow them to enjoy the lifestyles they have been blessed with...i don't think i can stomach another don was produced romp through the mick jagger songbook...they need to get some balls and do something right...no more 'streets of love' or 'biggest mistakes' or don't stops'...

maybe a bottle of old grandad and some time outside of the mansion would help...it sucks that they are capable of so much more than they actually do..songwise.

gia43! Your right. Mick not only sings on "The Worst", he also does bv on "Slipping Away".Should have done my homework.

"R Wrote:
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> BTB was NOT a proper Stones album, It WAS dualing
> Mick and Keith solo albums and as such an entirely
> forced issue. To this day it ranks right up there
> with "Dirty Work."


and if you never saw the credits for it or read about the sessions, would you or anyone have REALLY noticed the difference?


The quality of the end product is all that matters. And its a great record, much better than many "joint efforts" where Mick and Keith (as the hype would have you believe) were joined at the hip in its creation."

Oh come on. With scintillating classics like "Low Down," "Already Over Me," "Might As Well Get Juiced" and the "Wandering Spirit" throwaway "Too Tight" BTB is a great album? What does that make "Exile'"?

Actually, before I get too snarky, I think I'll go give it a spin for the first time in eons. Stones albums, as you know, have a way of ingratiating themselves to the listener over time. :-)

Keith the Beast asked:
>But does Keith plays on Gunface after all? I mean Waddy is not credited on that song >and Keith is. If that's not Keith, is that Ronnie playing rhythm guitar?

I recall being at MSG on the tour and I think they played Gunface at the second gig and it sounded great despite the fact that Waddy wasn't on stage. Maybe he was undeneath with Blondie? Can anyone else out there confirm they played Gunface on the Bridges tour at MSG?

Wow, I did not even know that they had played Gunface live. It's such a great song, I think it would have worked live!



"Too many roads lead to nowhere
But how they twist and they turn
And a dead end and a dusty old strip mall
Where your tires are all shredded and burned"

- Driving Too Fast

Gunface has never been played live.

MSG '98 got Lowdown, Already Over Me, Juiced, and How Can I Stop?, though - I think they were all debuts.

>
> Oh come on. With scintillating classics like "Low
> Down," "Already Over Me," "Might As Well Get
> Juiced" and the "Wandering Spirit" throwaway "Too
> Tight" BTB is a great album? What does that make
> "Exile'"?


also a great record, but greater. Are you suggesting that anything short of Exile's standards cant be "great"?
>
> Actually, before I get too snarky, I think I'll go
> give it a spin for the first time in eons. Stones
> albums, as you know, have a way of ingratiating
> themselves to the listener over time. :-)

Indeed. It took me a while to 'get' Exile too.

Thanks JuanTCB. I think the song I was thinking of was Lowdown. Seems like a long time ago that tour. Enjoyed that song live though. I wish they would play more new material on the current tour when are they supposedly out to support a new album. They even went as far as saying prior to the tour how much they looked forward to playin ABB live to see how the songs would evolve on stage.

R Wrote:
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> "R Wrote:
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> > BTB was NOT a proper Stones album, It WAS
> dualing
> > Mick and Keith solo albums and as such an
> entirely
> > forced issue. To this day it ranks right up
> there
> > with "Dirty Work."
>
>
> and if you never saw the credits for it or read
> about the sessions, would you or anyone have
> REALLY noticed the difference?
>
>
> The quality of the end product is all that
> matters. And its a great record, much better than
> many "joint efforts" where Mick and Keith (as the
> hype would have you believe) were joined at the
> hip in its creation."
>
> Oh come on. With scintillating classics like "Low
> Down," "Already Over Me," "Might As Well Get
> Juiced" and the "Wandering Spirit" throwaway "Too
> Tight" BTB is a great album? What does that make
> "Exile'"?
>
> Actually, before I get too snarky, I think I'll go
> give it a spin for the first time in eons. Stones
> albums, as you know, have a way of ingratiating
> themselves to the listener over time. :-)


What does Wandering Spirit have to do with Too Tight?Am I missing something?