Not exactly Stones but...Ike & Tina Live 71- I bought the DVD off Ebay and am waiting on it.

Reviews are good. Has anyone veiwed it????

If it's the one that I have (i don't remember the place, but it's a north europe country), it's great!. A really good band, and better singers. I enjoyed a lot Ike, the way he plays soul and how he is the "master of ceremonies"

I love Ike and Tina! I just came across this video, check it out. The energy of this band is so contagious. You can't help but move. My secret dream in life is to be an Ikette, those girls are the coolest chicks ever. I want to move like that.

Everyone else love them too?

Saw Ike last year at a local blooze fest - amazing performer still at 70. Sang his heart out and played some great piano and guitar. I'd like to be an Ikette, but I think I have the wrong parts....

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Saw Ike last year at a local blooze fest - amazing performer still at 70. Sang his heart out and played some great piano and guitar. I'd like to be an Ikette, but I think I have the wrong parts....


No way man! As long as you can shake it, you're good to go.

it? my arse? yeah, I can handle that.

CindyC, thanks for the tip.
Wow!!! On that same website, youtube, also watch the "River Deep, Mountain High" video. I had forgotten just how much sheer energy went into their performances. On the "River Deep . . " video, the Ikettes look incredible! I saw them open for the Stones in 1969 in LA and even today it remains one of the most outstanding live performances I've ever seen.



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> CindyC, thanks for the tip.
> Wow!!! On that same website, youtube, also watch
> the "River Deep, Mountain High" video. I had
> forgotten just how much sheer energy went into
> their performances. On the "River Deep . . "
> video, the Ikettes look incredible! I saw them
> open for the Stones in 1969 in LA and even today
> it remains one of the most outstanding live
> performances I've ever seen.



Hi Dave, glad to help. I was going to ask people who saw them live what they thought of their performances. I saw Tina by herself a few years back, and felt like jumping up on the stage, and her solo stuff doesn't have half the punch of the Ike stuff. Were the dancers mesmerizing?

so true doubleC... the earlier i & t stuff... that tina complained about later..."he was forcing me to sing in higher and higher keys"

etc... was some of the best rockin' r&b ever...ever...
the early albums were great...STUNNINGLY great...track to track...
and there were a TON of those released...

ike and his band did ROCKET 88, considered by many to be the first actual rock and roll record...Jackie Brenston his sax player sung it and got the artist credit...

ike was an a & r man and also a sideman for a lot of the original delta guys...
he goes deep...as a player, producer, arranger, visonary even...

actually had a one on one interview with him in Men's Colony State Prison in San Luis Obisbo CA. when he was in for a probation violation, right after Tina's self-serving paen to herself was released...

not that he didn't cross the line...he did. and i challenged him on it; and he was very forthcoming...
and so did she many times cross the line according to many close sources who have worked with her in the solo years...and before...

ike had a career without tina...pretty much invented her personnae and moves...the ikettes etc... tho obviously she was incredibly beautiful and dynamic and wonderfully talented...
i still don't think she would have had a career at all w/o Mr. Turner.
Little Richard, who remembers her as Annie Mae Bullock, agreed...

good to hear ike getting some props...he deserves 'em...

BB, why were you interviewing him? Are you a journalist?

I agree that I don't think she would have had a career had he not jumpstarted it. I am grateful that he was able to recognize her talent and get it out there for us to enjoy.

Yeah, interesting post (as always), Beelyboy!

hey cindySEEme feel me touch me heal me:

yep sorta i guess...
here and there i've done writing for mags and papers...
at a few points in life...quite a bit...

not too much too recently... try to avoid it actually...
concentrate on my own music and stuff....

it was a way cool assignment tho... piece was in a national mag now defunct...
and also the Chi Trib picked it up for the main piece in their sunday entertainment section...after deleting some characteristically unsavory beely language....

to my actual joy, Nieu (sp?) Review in Holland picked up on it and translated it into Dutch...

yeah just ike and me and a tape recorder in this small closed room in the middle of a state prison... after the piece came out, he asked me to ghost his autobiography...
but i didn't want to spend a year with alla that stuff on my mind...
just didn't at the time...

...and there was no lit agent or advance...tho eventually they got something published i theenk. ty 4 asking.

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> Yeah, interesting post (as always), Beelyboy!


wow; coming from THE Erik_Snow!!
very grateful 4 that....

I saw
Ike and Tina Turner
LIVE in FRANKFURT 1973 (Germany)

GREAT GREAT GREAT

Grüsse

Gerhard

Hey BB,

Would you email me the interview, or post it?

Is this the Double Live in Paris album?

"...no longer shall you trudge 'cross my peaceful mind."

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> Hey BB,
>
> Would you email me the interview, or post it?


yeah; of course... had a real good photo team that day too, for pix in the yard... i would have to scan it... or perhaps retype it...
anything for you...
(micksbrain isn't even reading this i bet, so doncha even think about HIM)
lol

i could email it or post it when that's done...mebbe later tonight or tomorrow...
if BV dosen't mind the OT piece...
thrilled to share it actually...

...and iffin u like the ike thing, which shows him behind locked fencing in the prison yard... a short, but i think dramatic and joyous, piece on Keith when his first solo album came out...

and yes, i did have the audacity to title the piece (from jail remember)
LEFT A GOOD JOB IN THE CITY

HA! That's a funny title.

I don't think he' mind, Ike and Tina are somewhat related to the Stones history, at least in my mind they are. When I think Ike and Tina, my first thoughts of them are that they toured with the Stones.

Don't retype it though, scan it if you can.

Thanks!

CindyC Wrote:
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> Hey BB,
>
> Would you email me the interview, or post it?

k cindysee me feel me touch me heal me... i went to the Chi Trib. archive and found it... i'll still try to scan the pix for you...could not find them in the Trib archives... but do have the original mag piece with all the artwork.

they edited just a little... just a little... just to make sure they got it WRONG... Naoika the Jungle Woman...was NOT a fifties rock group (they put that in there) it was a movie short series that Ike saw as a kid...and based the Ikettes and Tina's outfits on that...all those ultra short mini mini skirts and stuff... all that was in the original Exposure Magazine (& Niew Revue in Holland) piece and quite clear...
editors... one in ten comes anywhere near respectable.

so, i'd like to scan the original piece with pix for ya but haven't a scanner at home...so sendin' the Chi Trib. archive version... 1990...
it's MOSTLY as written... again, the Magazines printed it correctly and unedited...
k... thanx for asking...keepin' my legal byline anonymous heeyah...
just yer beely boy, k?
it's kinda long:

Copyright Chicago Tribune Co. Sep 30, 1990
xxxx xxxxxx is a free-lance writer based in Los Angeles.
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He's a cool blue flame, Ike Turner. Like a pilot light in a blast furnace. He walks into the room in prison blues and aviator sunglasses, his face tight and immobile.

"You've seen one of these before, right?" I ask him, nodding toward my tape recorder on the table. There's the barest flicker of lip as he acknowledges my little joke. I ask him to test the microphone, and he peels his shades off slowly as he leans over the machine.

Unexpectedly, Turner's cold prison mask melts into a grin of amused resignation. He taps the mike tentatively and begins, "Due to circumstances beyond my control. . . ."

Turner, 58, is the man of a million midnight rumors. It's hard to find an Angeleno without a Turner tale of punches, punishment and power gone terribly astray. Is he, as some suggest, a Svengali or another shadowy rock '" roll animal trying to outmaneuver a hostile legal system and the insatiable media?

Turner's current residence is the Men's Colony state prison in San Luis Obispo, a pastoral community of rolling hillsides and open fields 200 miles north of Los Angeles. Notwithstanding its dormitory living and open ambiance, the Men's Colony is very much a serious lockup, complete with armed watch towers and miles of high double fencing.

Turner is serving 18 months of a reduced 4-year sentence for an under-the-influence probation violation. This on the heels of 11 arrests in recent years on a variety of charges involving weapons and controlled substances, including the transporting and possession of cocaine. Given that the vast majority of the charges ended in dismissals or acquittals, one suspects that the magistrate considered Turner's cumulative arrest record in sending him packing.

Ike Turner is the inventor of rock 'n' roll. Little Richard claims his place in history as the architect of rock, and Chuck Berry is rock's undisputed father. Elvis, of course, will always be the once and future King. But as surely as this poor kid from the blues-rich Mississippi Delta once sewed together stray pieces of rag to make threadbare quilts, Turner was responsible for weaving a mixture of boogie-woogie stomp, traditional blues and white hillbilly music into a conscious and cohesive new order.

Years before he created Tina, in name, look and vocal style, and years before anybody thought in terms of a rock 'n' roll record, there was "Rocket 88," a No. 1 single in 1951. It featured Turner on piano, leading his own Kings of Rhythm behind front man Jackie Brenston. Sam Phillips, founder of Sun Records and the man who discovered Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis, considers "88" to be the first rock record. Little Richard admits to basing his piano style on Turner's performance on that disc. Introduction to cocaine

While the rest of his peers are sitting in comfortable immortality in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the man who cut classic sides with Howlin' Wolf and Junior Parker, the man who refused to play in segregated jump joints a full decade before the civil rights legislation of the 1960s, the man who created the most intense and energetic live rhythm revue in entertainment history (rivaled only by James Brown and the Fabulous Flames), and the man who shared venues with Elvis and the Rolling Stones in their primes, is languishing in state prison teetering between obscurity and infamy.

"I think I was on a 15-year party," Turner says. "Everybody who goes through cocaine wants to quit, but stopping is harder than you think." Turner spent almost $25,000 on drug-rehab programs but contends: "None of this stuff don't really do no good, man. First of all, you have to make up your mind to quit. I never did drugs till I was 44 years old. I used to fire people if I caught them with even a roach, and now I got a hole in my nose that you could put your ink pen in."

He first took cocaine while playing the lounge at the International Hotel in Las Vegas with Redd Foxx in the casino and Elvis headlining the main room. "Two very famous people came backstage; one of them is dead now," he remembers. "These two guys gave me some coke in a dollar. I went home, and after Tina and all the kids went to sleep, I sat down at the piano and put some in my nose.

"I didn't feel nothing. I didn't think I ever got high. I was just sitting there writing and the next thing I know it's 11 o'clock in the morning and I'm still writing. I thought, `This is cool, man, I'm not even tired!' So I just went on to liking it. I had it sitting out in big bowls. I used to give away $50,000 of that stuff every six weeks."

Turner claims almost a year of abstinence and, though he has an intense energy, he looks to be straight and in good health. His face is virtually unlined, and only little touches of gray on the edges of his mustache and hairline betray his age. Though far from overweight, Turner is heavier than he was in his painfully-thin performance prime, and looks better for it. Yet there is something enigmatic about his demeanor, rather like a nocturnal predator that has been captured, bagged and brought out blinking into the light.

"Before you even start drugs, you're already on a certain high," he says animatedly. "Then you do the stuff, and it raises you up a little and puts a kind of film over you. Then when you come down you have to keep doing it just to try to stay where you normally are," he says, describing the classic symptoms of chemical dependency. "I have no taste for it at all now. I mean none. You can get anything you want in jail, but I have no desire. I finally made it."

After four months in the Men's Colony, Turner seems to have settled into a conflicted acceptance of his incarceration. "I did drugs to me. I was not doing drugs to anybody else, and I think because I'm Ike and stuck with the media thing that they use that to set an example," he complains. "I'm in for drunk driving and under the influence and I don't even drink.

"There's nothing I can do except make the best of a bad situation," he says, shrugging. "I'm trying to use the time in here constructively. I'm glad I came in a sense. I have a chance to make my plan of what I want to do and how to to it. I already got my material. I know my way straight to No. 1."

Turner's belief in his potential is more than bravado; he has the tough resolve of a survivor. That said, he'll need a miracle or two to get back on top, or even survive. Representatives from Cocaine Anonymous say that long-term recovery without an ongoing program is statistically improbable, yet Turner feels cured on his own.

Also, the "media thing" that he refers to, aside from his past fame and recent notoriety, is largely Tina Turner's autobiography, which portrays their 15-year marriage as a nightmare of violence and abuse. Although he once owned his own studio and a half-block of prime real estate in the La Brea area of Los Angeles, not to mention homes and luxury automobiles, Turner has had to go begging, often to no avail, for legal expenses and bail bonds. Many a bridge has been burned.

"There are people I have given $250,000 homes to," he says. "I have given a Rolls-Royce and all kinds of cars away. Now I can't get a dollar from these people if they think I need it. It used to hurt me to my soul, man, but I feel sorry for them," he says with a laugh. "They'll be back."

But "they" certainly are not around now. After a recent arrest, Turner had to spend three days in the county jail for lack of a $100 bail bond. Tina's side

Although it has been 14 years since the breakup of his marriage to Tina, the memories are fresh, and a bond, however convoluted and strained, is apparent. "I love Tina, but I don't like her today," Turner says. "She is not what you think, man. She's got more nerve than anybody. She says she was brainwashed." He shakes his head. "I don't know where this (expletive) comes from, man. Before me, Tina was a nurse's aide," he says pointedly. "She's said this (expletive) so much she's begun to believe it herself."

Tina Turner reports in her 1986 autobiography, "I, Tina": "It was like when he got angry, he became anger itself. One night in the studio, he threw boiling hot coffee in my face. . . . I grabbed at my neck where most of it had hit, and the skin just peeled right off. I had third degree burns on my face. . . . And you know what he did? He started beating me. . . . That was his whole life: He'd beat you and have sex with you and argue and fight, and then go play his music."

The book is filled with countless horrific accounts of Turner's violent and sexual rages and its effects: "The left side of my face was swollen out past my ear and blood was everywhere-running out of my mouth, splattered all over my suit . . . one eye swollen almost shut."

Tina recalls Ike beating their secretaries and pulling out whole handfuls of their hair. She even remembers being punched out while she slept. "He was an evil, possessed person. It was like living in hell's domain."

"I ain't nothing like you read about," Ike Turner says. "They've exaggerated everything I've ever done. They say I broke her jawbone, well, I did do that, man. If a woman stands up there close to me, screaming at me," he complains excitedly, then drops off suddenly. He adds quietly: "It didn't feel like I hurt her. It ain't like I walk around trying to hurt people. I don't feel that I'm to be condemned.

"In our whole life we only had six or seven fights. I'm not violent," he says, defensive and unrepentant. "I had a temper" is his only concession to Tina's memories of the beatings. Several times during the interview, however, he mentions how the "old Ike" would have handled this or that.

"In the last 12 years, I think before I respond," he says. Four kids and a family

What, he is asked, would he say to Tina if she were in the room right now? He pauses for a long time. "Don't forget where you came from," he says softly. "For her to forget . . . things like this hurt me. She said that when Phil Spector produced her (on the "River Deep, Mountain High" session) she felt it was the first time she was recorded right. That hurt my feelings because it made me feel like I did nothing. I gave from the heart," he says proudly.

"I didn't know like I know now, but it supported us. There was nothing that Tina ever wanted that I wouldn't give her. We raised four kids together. They were my life. When we broke up, I was very insecure and afraid of rejection. It took me all this time to not be afraid."

The children Turner refers to, four boys now all in their early 30s, are the product of three relationships. Ike Jr. and Michael are the children of Turner's former girlfriend Lorraine Taylor. Craig is Tina's first child, born when she was barely 18 and still in high school, the result of her relationship with Raymond Hill, a former sax man in Ike's band. The youngest child, Ronnie, is Ike and Tina's. All four kids were raised together as a family.

Ike Turner's childhood memories are far from idyllic. While still a toddler, he watched as his father was kicked and beaten for an alleged sexual liaison with a white woman. The edler Turner was refused admittance to the white hospital and later died of his injuries.

To what extent these incidents triggered Turner's aggression and obsessive sexuality is for the psychologists to determine, but Turner does claim to have had keys to 35 women's apartments in the St. Louis area alone.

"Tina acted like it didn't bother her about me and some chick unless I continued to be with the chick," he says. "Well it made some sense, and that's what I wanted to hear, so I just worked with it, you know? I was doing what I wanted to do. . . . I'm older now and I know better. Some of those girls out there loved me for me, not for Ike Turner."

Amid all the trauma and tragedy, it's important to remember how absolutely outrageous the Ike and Tina Turner Revue was. It hit the stage with a furious blast of visceral energy, Ike's crisp horn arrangements framing the exploding rhythm section as his childhood obsession with Naioka the Jungle Woman (a '50s group) came to life in the form of Tina and the Ikettes. The women would run out shaking wildly, whipping their hip-length hair, sweat shimmering on muscular thighs in heretofore unseen mini-dresses as short as loincloths.

"I'm a very dominant type," Turner says. "When you've got 26 people, you've got a lot of opinions. You go talk to anybody that's a leader. They (leaders) say what they want and they're not asking. People don't respect that but they respect what it accomplishes."

"They allow you a Walkman in here, and I sit in bed at night and listen. I believe I'm going to change the trend a little bit when I get out of here. You've got to hear what's in my head," he says excitedly.

Illustrating an arcane point about the universal tempo of all rock songs, Turner starts beating on the table and singing, "I'm picking up good vibrations," pointing at his interviewer to get in on the chorus. Suddenly, he's transformed into the enthusiastic bandleader of yore.

"God put me here for a purpose," Turner says later. "I have a lot in me to give." He is working as a library clerk and trying to get paroled to a halfway house in Vallejo or get out on a work release. He plans to marry his 28-year-old girlfriend, who also will be his singer.

"We all make mistakes, and Ike certainly made some," says Little Richard, who toured with Turner in the late 1960s and early '70s. "The record system didn't care that much for him. And when they don't like you, they knock you to your knees, make you holler please. He wouldn't let them control him. He stood up like a man. And he has been misused. He's one of the greatest producers that ever lived. He made Tina what she is today. She couldn't sing. He taught her phrasing, singing, how to be a performer. He even gave her her name! It used to be Anne Bullock.

"Ike is a great, great songwriter. He can take a person who don't have talent and make them have it. And he can make a person who does have talent even better. What else can be said?"

"They made me the beast that I'm not," says Izear Luster Turner. "I'm not being apologetic, because I did nothing that I regret. It took all that to make me what I am today, and I think that this place is serving a purpose in my life . . . but I'm tired and I want to get back to work."

oh man; they edited out the part where we were singing 'good vibrations' together in the prison... dang... i hate editors... see why i don't do this stuff too much anymore? fools.

the original mags had it exactly right...
i got hip to the game and wouldn't file the piece till it was time to go to the printer...massaging the editor...'it's going great...don't worry...i'll have it in soon...yadda yadda...
at the absolute deadline, i'd waltz in with the floppy...
haha... immediately to the printers. Henry the publisher just totally relieved that it's IN on time for the printers...
"man, we have no time to edit this!!"
"really dude? oh that's ok Henry, just read it and send it bubba."
i'll try to email u the original when i scan it if you'd like... dang... sorry i posted a mediawhore edit job...
they didn't change stuff; they just deleted what they needed to for sizing it i guess...knucklehaids...or added explanatory stuff in parens...that was totally Wrong... like the Naioka Jungle Woman thingie... ohboy.
but... it comes kinda close mostly. dang 'em.

BB, That's a great article! Really interesting. While I was reading, I actually forgot that you wrote it because I was so enraptured.

My favorite line has to be this one:

"They've exaggerated everything I've ever done. They say I broke her jawbone, well, I did do that, man.


HAHAHAHA, he's such a character!
Really, thank you so much for posting that for me!
Cindy

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> My favorite line has to be this one:
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> "They've exaggerated everything I've ever done.
> They say I broke her jawbone, well, I did do that,
> man.
>
>
> HAHAHAHA, he's such a character!
> Really, thank you so much for posting that for
> me!
> Cindy


wow Cindy!! "They say I broke her jawbone, well, I did do that, man."

that's exactly the quotation they printed REAL BIG in the magazine!! in it's own "window" above a cool jailhouse shot of him...
u have the eye girl...absolutely... but everyone here knows that...
the artwork and pix and layout are so cool... (the art people there were really really great)...
ty for reading the longass theeng.

she's got more than "the eye" my friend

Thanks Luke & BB! How am I ever going to get my big ol head on my little pillow tonight?

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> Thanks Luke & BB! How am I ever going to get my
> big ol head on my little pillow tonight?


a bigger pillow?

ABP

Beelyboy Wrote:

a bigger pillow?

That is a much better solution than having the compliments stop.