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That's really hard to argue a counterpoint.
So true, but that really doesn't change Taylor1's original point, does it?
In general it doesn't change, the Stones always had a great rhythm section, Bill and Charlie did great things.
But he was also intelligent and when he heard something that was recorded by Keith or Ronnie or Taylor on bass and it worked well, he left that and that does him credit.
With AC/DC one : Malcolm Young, Phil Rudd and Cliff Williams were the powerhouse rhythm section that helped define the band signature sound and made AC/DC one of the most legendary rock acts of all time.
***
I'm just a Bad Boy Boogie
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-11-26 08:42 by powerage78.
They are awesome. They got the back seat rhythm!
True. Sympathy For the Devil comes to mind. And of course JJF. But played live there's no let down with Bill doing the parts of others on bass. In fact I think his Ya Yas playing on Live With Me is far better than Keith's. That doesn't take away from the fact both Keith and Ronnie have had their moments on bass. And I've always been partial to Bill's jazzy little organ at the end of JJF.
What about Delbert McClinton’s band? I can think of dozens more.
Too many to mention, but you can sift through the database (go to Track Talk) here: [timeisonourside.com]
I once heard an act with a certain Johnnie Johnson on piano, Ebby Hardy on drums and Willie Dixon on bass that wasn't bad either, but I can't remember the name!
And that other band with DJ Fontana, Bill Black and Scotty Moore wasn't bad either. Who was the singer?
C
I think the first released song to feature Keith on bass was Let's spend the night together. There are others on Between the Buttons: Connection and Sweetly for sure.
In general, Keith plays bass on most of the songs with him on vocals: Happy you already know, but also coming down again, before they make me run and T&A come to mind.
Other great Keith bass lines are Heartbreaker, Some Girls and Pretty Beat Up. Very little Wyman on Undercover, by the way
C
Goodness! So Bill was the Stones' part-time bassist, then?
Taylor.
Just checked: you're right!
And only 3 songs on Goat head Soup feature Bill on Bass.
C
Silly me, I have always thought of Bill as a great bass player. Thanks for pointing out that he is so bad that Keith and Taylor had to take over on bass.
Guys, you have a whole lotta time digging through 30 years of recording info.
I wonder why Ronnie never played bass on a Stones recording. He could have played bass instead of Bill in the studio at least.
I am just being sarcastic here.
What Bill did on songs like Satisfaction or Start Me Up, just to mention two, is priceless. His playing is the backbone of all the songs he played on.
I do not know why -- I cannot play any instruments -- I could always tell if it was not Bill playing the bass. (Only Fingerprint File fooled me back then.) I never liked Keith's bass playing. Cannot explain why.
Was it Chris Kimsey who mentioned in an interview that one day Keith came in and erased Bill's bass and recorded it himself without talking to Bill about it. He just did not care. Kimsey did not find it amusing. Imagine any musician putting up with being treated like that and Bill never complained.
The Stones survived many years in part due to having two very reliable and sane guys, Bill and Charlie, who would put up with a singer with an ego bigger than his height and two drinkers.
Bill is an important part of the Stones' legacy.
We do not know why he did not play on a certain number of songs but hey, Bill played bass at every single gig until 1990.
It is just so sad to see people always trying to figure out 'who's best, who's better' when it comes to Taylor/Wood or Watts/Jordan and now Bill...
Pointless discussions because you will never get to a definite answer.
I always chafe when I see the attitude that some topics should not be discussed. Yet is it a good and necessary reminder to me that there are many people who do espouse that view in many contexts.
It is superficially considered to be more gentle and enlightened to suppress discussion of what some see as unpleasant topics. But the corresponding underbelly of that view is that apparently some people cannot accept hearing dissent in a socially healthy manner, so the rest of us can't be allowed to provoke them.
Why not exercise your right to speak and accept the exercise of it by others?
It doesn't just create a better society, it's a lot of fun and those bothered by it can "avert their eyes" in an instant.
Just imagine if you were a Van Halen fan and had to pick a side!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-11-30 03:24 by Taylor1.
That live version, or performance style, through 1971?, is way better. It's so aggressive, it's basically what "digging in" sounds like - and a big part of that is Bill locked tightly with Keith and obviously, Charlie.
Keith definitely played on ER.
Especially noticeable at the end when Keith and Bobby answer each other.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
Taylor1
()
Date: November 25, 2024 19:01
Charlie Bill and Keith were the best rhythm section in rock history.They had a unique And great sound.Brian Taylor and Ron were the icing on the cake
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: November 25, 2024 20:40
Quote
Taylor1
Charlie Bill and Keith were the best rhythm section in rock history.They had a unique Ang great sound.Brian Taylor and Ron were the icing on the cake
That's really hard to argue a counterpoint.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
Testify
()
Date: November 25, 2024 23:47
I agree with most of the Stones' repertoire, but then there are exceptions, where a stylistically different bass player can do a better job, this is true for any musician. It doesn't mean being better or worse, it just means having a style that is more suitable for that particular song.Quote
treaclefingersQuote
Taylor1
Charlie Bill and Keith were the best rhythm section in rock history.They had a unique Ang great sound.Brian Taylor and Ron were the icing on the cake
That's really hard to argue a counterpoint.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: November 26, 2024 00:51
Quote
TestifyI agree with most of the Stones' repertoire, but then there are exceptions, where a stylistically different bass player can do a better job, this is true for any musician. It doesn't mean being better or worse, it just means having a style that is more suitable for that particular song.Quote
treaclefingersQuote
Taylor1
Charlie Bill and Keith were the best rhythm section in rock history.They had a unique Ang great sound.Brian Taylor and Ron were the icing on the cake
That's really hard to argue a counterpoint.
So true, but that really doesn't change Taylor1's original point, does it?
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
Testify
()
Date: November 26, 2024 05:28
Quote
treaclefingersQuote
TestifyI agree with most of the Stones' repertoire, but then there are exceptions, where a stylistically different bass player can do a better job, this is true for any musician. It doesn't mean being better or worse, it just means having a style that is more suitable for that particular song.Quote
treaclefingersQuote
Taylor1
Charlie Bill and Keith were the best rhythm section in rock history.They had a unique Ang great sound.Brian Taylor and Ron were the icing on the cake
That's really hard to argue a counterpoint.
So true, but that really doesn't change Taylor1's original point, does it?
In general it doesn't change, the Stones always had a great rhythm section, Bill and Charlie did great things.
But he was also intelligent and when he heard something that was recorded by Keith or Ronnie or Taylor on bass and it worked well, he left that and that does him credit.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: November 26, 2024 08:42
Quote
Taylor1
Charlie Bill and Keith were the best rhythm section in rock history.They had a unique And great sound.Brian Taylor and Ron were the icing on the cake
With AC/DC one : Malcolm Young, Phil Rudd and Cliff Williams were the powerhouse rhythm section that helped define the band signature sound and made AC/DC one of the most legendary rock acts of all time.
***
I'm just a Bad Boy Boogie
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-11-26 08:42 by powerage78.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: November 26, 2024 09:22
Quote
powerage78Quote
Taylor1
Charlie Bill and Keith were the best rhythm section in rock history.They had a unique And great sound.Brian Taylor and Ron were the icing on the cake
With AC/DC one : Malcolm Young, Phil Rudd and Cliff Williams were the powerhouse rhythm section that helped define the band signature sound and made AC/DC one of the most legendary rock acts of all time.
They are awesome. They got the back seat rhythm!
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
24FPS
()
Date: November 28, 2024 02:40
Quote
Testify
I always hate it when people compare musicians. It's obvious that each of them plays differently, but if you play a song and it sounds fantastic, it means you did a good job, another bass player would have done it differently, maybe worse, maybe better.
Bill is a great bass player, but for some songs, maybe he wouldn't have been so incisive.
True. Sympathy For the Devil comes to mind. And of course JJF. But played live there's no let down with Bill doing the parts of others on bass. In fact I think his Ya Yas playing on Live With Me is far better than Keith's. That doesn't take away from the fact both Keith and Ronnie have had their moments on bass. And I've always been partial to Bill's jazzy little organ at the end of JJF.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
()
Date: November 28, 2024 02:59
Quote
Taylor1
Charlie Bill and Keith were the best rhythm section in rock history.They had a unique And great sound.Brian Taylor and Ron were the icing on the cake
What about Delbert McClinton’s band? I can think of dozens more.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: November 28, 2024 13:59
Would someone kindly post a list of all Stones tracks to feature Keith on bass?
I only know of the following:
Sympathy For The Devil
Street Fighting Man - this was news to me!
Jumpin' Jack Flash - this was news to me!
Live With Me
Happy
Silver Train - this was news to me!
Angry
I only know of the following:
Sympathy For The Devil
Street Fighting Man - this was news to me!
Jumpin' Jack Flash - this was news to me!
Live With Me
Happy
Silver Train - this was news to me!
Angry
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 28, 2024 14:23
Quote
Big Al
Would someone kindly post a list of all Stones tracks to feature Keith on bass?
I only know of the following:
Sympathy For The Devil
Street Fighting Man - this was news to me!
Jumpin' Jack Flash - this was news to me!
Live With Me
Happy
Silver Train - this was news to me!
Angry
Too many to mention, but you can sift through the database (go to Track Talk) here: [timeisonourside.com]
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: November 28, 2024 15:38
Quote
More Hot RocksQuote
Taylor1
Charlie Bill and Keith were the best rhythm section in rock history.They had a unique And great sound.Brian Taylor and Ron were the icing on the cake
What about Delbert McClinton’s band? I can think of dozens more.
I once heard an act with a certain Johnnie Johnson on piano, Ebby Hardy on drums and Willie Dixon on bass that wasn't bad either, but I can't remember the name!
And that other band with DJ Fontana, Bill Black and Scotty Moore wasn't bad either. Who was the singer?
C
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: November 28, 2024 15:42
Rings a bell ....Alvis Priestly ?
Something like that I think.
Something like that I think.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: November 28, 2024 15:46
Quote
liddasQuote
More Hot RocksQuote
Taylor1
Charlie Bill and Keith were the best rhythm section in rock history.They had a unique And great sound.Brian Taylor and Ron were the icing on the cake
What about Delbert McClinton’s band? I can think of dozens more.
I once heard an act with a certain Johnnie Johnson on piano, Ebby Hardy on drums and Willie Dixon on bass that wasn't bad either, but I can't remember the name!
And that other band with DJ Fontana, Bill Black and Scotty Moore wasn't bad either. Who was the singer?
Erm, Chuck Berry?
C
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: November 28, 2024 15:55
Quote
Big Al
Would someone kindly post a list of all Stones tracks to feature Keith on bass?
I only know of the following:
Sympathy For The Devil
Street Fighting Man - this was news to me!
Jumpin' Jack Flash - this was news to me!
Live With Me
Happy
Silver Train - this was news to me!
Angry
I think the first released song to feature Keith on bass was Let's spend the night together. There are others on Between the Buttons: Connection and Sweetly for sure.
In general, Keith plays bass on most of the songs with him on vocals: Happy you already know, but also coming down again, before they make me run and T&A come to mind.
Other great Keith bass lines are Heartbreaker, Some Girls and Pretty Beat Up. Very little Wyman on Undercover, by the way
C
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: November 28, 2024 16:01
Quote
liddasQuote
Big Al
Would someone kindly post a list of all Stones tracks to feature Keith on bass?
I only know of the following:
Sympathy For The Devil
Street Fighting Man - this was news to me!
Jumpin' Jack Flash - this was news to me!
Live With Me
Happy
Silver Train - this was news to me!
Angry
I think the first released song to feature Keith on bass was Let's spend the night together. There are others on Between the Buttons: Connection and Sweetly for sure.
In general, Keith plays bass on most of the songs with him on vocals: Happy you already know, but also coming down again, before they make me run and T&A come to mind.
Other great Keith bass lines are Heartbreaker, Some Girls and Pretty Beat Up. Very little Wyman on Undercover, by the way
C
Goodness! So Bill was the Stones' part-time bassist, then?
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: November 28, 2024 16:22
Quote
liddasQuote
Big Al
Would someone kindly post a list of all Stones tracks to feature Keith on bass?
I only know of the following:
Sympathy For The Devil
Street Fighting Man - this was news to me!
Jumpin' Jack Flash - this was news to me!
Live With Me
Happy
Silver Train - this was news to me!
Angry
I think the first released song to feature Keith on bass was Let's spend the night together. There are others on Between the Buttons: Connection and Sweetly for sure.
In general, Keith plays bass on most of the songs with him on vocals: Happy you already know, but also coming down again, before they make me run and T&A come to mind.
Other great Keith bass lines are Heartbreaker, Some Girls and Pretty Beat Up. Very little Wyman on Undercover, by the way
C
Taylor.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: November 28, 2024 16:29
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
liddasQuote
Big Al
Would someone kindly post a list of all Stones tracks to feature Keith on bass?
I only know of the following:
Sympathy For The Devil
Street Fighting Man - this was news to me!
Jumpin' Jack Flash - this was news to me!
Live With Me
Happy
Silver Train - this was news to me!
Angry
I think the first released song to feature Keith on bass was Let's spend the night together. There are others on Between the Buttons: Connection and Sweetly for sure.
In general, Keith plays bass on most of the songs with him on vocals: Happy you already know, but also coming down again, before they make me run and T&A come to mind.
Other great Keith bass lines are Heartbreaker, Some Girls and Pretty Beat Up. Very little Wyman on Undercover, by the way
C
Taylor.
Just checked: you're right!
And only 3 songs on Goat head Soup feature Bill on Bass.
C
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
frenki09
()
Date: November 29, 2024 19:20
Quote
liddasQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
liddasQuote
Big Al
Would someone kindly post a list of all Stones tracks to feature Keith on bass?
I only know of the following:
Sympathy For The Devil
Street Fighting Man - this was news to me!
Jumpin' Jack Flash - this was news to me!
Live With Me
Happy
Silver Train - this was news to me!
Angry
I think the first released song to feature Keith on bass was Let's spend the night together. There are others on Between the Buttons: Connection and Sweetly for sure.
In general, Keith plays bass on most of the songs with him on vocals: Happy you already know, but also coming down again, before they make me run and T&A come to mind.
Other great Keith bass lines are Heartbreaker, Some Girls and Pretty Beat Up. Very little Wyman on Undercover, by the way
C
Taylor.
Just checked: you're right!
And only 3 songs on Goat head Soup feature Bill on Bass.
C
Silly me, I have always thought of Bill as a great bass player. Thanks for pointing out that he is so bad that Keith and Taylor had to take over on bass.
Guys, you have a whole lotta time digging through 30 years of recording info.
I wonder why Ronnie never played bass on a Stones recording. He could have played bass instead of Bill in the studio at least.
I am just being sarcastic here.
What Bill did on songs like Satisfaction or Start Me Up, just to mention two, is priceless. His playing is the backbone of all the songs he played on.
I do not know why -- I cannot play any instruments -- I could always tell if it was not Bill playing the bass. (Only Fingerprint File fooled me back then.) I never liked Keith's bass playing. Cannot explain why.
Was it Chris Kimsey who mentioned in an interview that one day Keith came in and erased Bill's bass and recorded it himself without talking to Bill about it. He just did not care. Kimsey did not find it amusing. Imagine any musician putting up with being treated like that and Bill never complained.
The Stones survived many years in part due to having two very reliable and sane guys, Bill and Charlie, who would put up with a singer with an ego bigger than his height and two drinkers.
Bill is an important part of the Stones' legacy.
We do not know why he did not play on a certain number of songs but hey, Bill played bass at every single gig until 1990.
It is just so sad to see people always trying to figure out 'who's best, who's better' when it comes to Taylor/Wood or Watts/Jordan and now Bill...
Pointless discussions because you will never get to a definite answer.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
Taylor1
()
Date: November 29, 2024 19:55
Bill was THE band’s bass player on their studio albums.And live he was also great.Go listen to Get Yer Ya’Ya’s Out, L&G , Hampton live, etc…No one tops him
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-11-29 19:57 by Taylor1.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-11-29 19:57 by Taylor1.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
maidenlane
()
Date: November 29, 2024 22:29
Quote
frenki09
It is just so sad to see people always trying to figure out 'who's best, who's better' when it comes to Taylor/Wood or Watts/Jordan and now Bill...
Pointless discussions because you will never get to a definite answer.
I always chafe when I see the attitude that some topics should not be discussed. Yet is it a good and necessary reminder to me that there are many people who do espouse that view in many contexts.
It is superficially considered to be more gentle and enlightened to suppress discussion of what some see as unpleasant topics. But the corresponding underbelly of that view is that apparently some people cannot accept hearing dissent in a socially healthy manner, so the rest of us can't be allowed to provoke them.
Why not exercise your right to speak and accept the exercise of it by others?
It doesn't just create a better society, it's a lot of fun and those bothered by it can "avert their eyes" in an instant.
Just imagine if you were a Van Halen fan and had to pick a side!
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
powerage78
()
Date: November 29, 2024 23:24
Start by saying that the Stones are your favorite band, not the best. Because that too is pointless, futile, because every artist has his sélective fans...
***
I'm just a Bad Boy Boogie
***
I'm just a Bad Boy Boogie
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
RisingStone
()
Date: November 30, 2024 01:29
For The Record:
“10 Classic Rolling Stones Records That Bill Wyman Didn't Play Bass On”
[blog.wfmu.org]
“10 Classic Rolling Stones Records That Bill Wyman Didn't Play Bass On”
[blog.wfmu.org]
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
Taylor1
()
Date: November 30, 2024 02:36
Here are classic songs Keith didn’t play on: Sway, Moonlight Mile, Winter, Heaven, Saint of Me, Shine A Light, Stop Breaking Down,Emotional Rescue, and others.Charlie didn’t play on You Can’t Always Get What You Want, IORR , Happy ,As Tears Go By, Play With Fire.Mick isn’t on several songs like Happy.Wood isn’t either.So what is your point?Quote
RisingStone
For The Record:
“10 Classic Rolling Stones Records That Bill Wyman Didn't Play Bass On”
[blog.wfmu.org]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-11-30 03:24 by Taylor1.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
mosthigh
()
Date: November 30, 2024 04:20
There's a few Beatles songs where Paul isn't on bass, and even more songs where all four aren't playing at once.
Pete Townshend would play bass on his demos he would give to The Who. Interesting because if you listen to his demo of 'The Real Me', for instance, his bass line provides a healthy template for Entwistle to jump off from, and isn't too far off from the finished product.
David Gilmour played bass on 'Sheep'. Bowie played bass on a lot of the 'Diamond Dogs' album. The list goes on...
Sometimes you just need the right person on the right instrument for the right song at the right time. I Keith's case, I think he was often wired and up for days in the studio and just wanted to get sh*t done.
Pete Townshend would play bass on his demos he would give to The Who. Interesting because if you listen to his demo of 'The Real Me', for instance, his bass line provides a healthy template for Entwistle to jump off from, and isn't too far off from the finished product.
David Gilmour played bass on 'Sheep'. Bowie played bass on a lot of the 'Diamond Dogs' album. The list goes on...
Sometimes you just need the right person on the right instrument for the right song at the right time. I Keith's case, I think he was often wired and up for days in the studio and just wanted to get sh*t done.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: November 30, 2024 22:34
Quote
24FPSQuote
Testify
I always hate it when people compare musicians. It's obvious that each of them plays differently, but if you play a song and it sounds fantastic, it means you did a good job, another bass player would have done it differently, maybe worse, maybe better.
Bill is a great bass player, but for some songs, maybe he wouldn't have been so incisive.
True. Sympathy For the Devil comes to mind. And of course JJF. But played live there's no let down with Bill doing the parts of others on bass. In fact I think his Ya Yas playing on Live With Me is far better than Keith's. That doesn't take away from the fact both Keith and Ronnie have had their moments on bass. And I've always been partial to Bill's jazzy little organ at the end of JJF.
That live version, or performance style, through 1971?, is way better. It's so aggressive, it's basically what "digging in" sounds like - and a big part of that is Bill locked tightly with Keith and obviously, Charlie.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: November 30, 2024 22:50
Listen to Ronnie's bass playing on Shattered, Dance, Summer Romance, Where The Boys Go, Emotional Rescue, Hang Fire, Tie You Up, Fight, Too Rude, uhhh that's enough from that piece of crap, Sad Sad Sad and Break The Spell.
Listen to Keith's bass playing on Live With Me, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo, Crazy Mama, All About You and Angry.
The difference is... it's comparing trees to tea cups.
Ronnie is way more precise and fluid. Even bouncy. Keith pretty much plods the bottom, closer to Cliff Williams than, well, Bill Wyman.
Listen to Keith's bass playing on Live With Me, Jumpin' Jack Flash, Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo, Crazy Mama, All About You and Angry.
The difference is... it's comparing trees to tea cups.
Ronnie is way more precise and fluid. Even bouncy. Keith pretty much plods the bottom, closer to Cliff Williams than, well, Bill Wyman.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: December 1, 2024 12:52
Quote
Taylor1Here are classic songs Keith didn’t play on: Sway, Moonlight Mile, Winter, Heaven, Saint of Me, Shine A Light, Stop Breaking Down,Emotional Rescue, and others.Charlie didn’t play on You Can’t Always Get What You Want, IORR , Happy ,As Tears Go By, Play With Fire.Mick isn’t on several songs like Happy.Wood isn’t either.So what is your point?Quote
RisingStone
For The Record:
“10 Classic Rolling Stones Records That Bill Wyman Didn't Play Bass On”
[blog.wfmu.org]
Keith definitely played on ER.
Re: Ronnie Wood as bass player
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: December 1, 2024 20:01
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
Taylor1Here are classic songs Keith didn’t play on: Sway, Moonlight Mile, Winter, Heaven, Saint of Me, Shine A Light, Stop Breaking Down,Emotional Rescue, and others.Charlie didn’t play on You Can’t Always Get What You Want, IORR , Happy ,As Tears Go By, Play With Fire.Mick isn’t on several songs like Happy.Wood isn’t either.So what is your point?Quote
RisingStone
For The Record:
“10 Classic Rolling Stones Records That Bill Wyman Didn't Play Bass On”
[blog.wfmu.org]
Keith definitely played on ER.
Especially noticeable at the end when Keith and Bobby answer each other.
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