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But what goes for the "smock", he picked up and used it again in Hyde Park 2013 (for "Honky Tonk Women") - so at least it symbolized something to him from the 1969 concert:


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Is that REALLY the exact same actual garment? To my eyes it's a really similar thing, but not yer actual original 1969 Mr Fish as coveted by Sammy Davis Jnr. What do other fashionista's think?

Anyway, who here has a garment that they have had since 1969 AND that they can still fit into?

(My best is a 1973 Stones European Tour T-shirt that still fits.)

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Yep can still slip into me socks from 1965 .... ...



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But what goes for the "smock", he picked up and used it again in Hyde Park 2013 (for "Honky Tonk Women") - so at least it symbolized something to him from the 1969 concert:


- Doxa

Is that REALLY the exact same actual garment? To my eyes it's a really similar thing, but not yer actual original 1969 Mr Fish as coveted by Sammy Davis Jnr. What do other fashionista's think?

Anyway, who here has a garment that they have had since 1969 AND that they can still fit into?

(My best is a 1973 Stones European Tour T-shirt that still fits.)

If memory serves, he wore a similar garment that was made for the occasion.

The way I heard it told, Sammy Davis Jr. was a 'low talker' and asked Mick to wear it ... Mick agreed only because he wasn't sure what Sammy was asking of him.

I just love this show, with all glitches and out of tune guitars. It's such a strange gig for them, they don't sound anything like they did before or after. They were such a powerhouse in 1969, unbelievable.

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I just love this show, with all glitches and out of tune guitars. It's such a strange gig for them, they don't sound anything like they did before or after. They were such a powerhouse in 1969, unbelievable.

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I just love this show, with all glitches and out of tune guitars. It's such a strange gig for them, they don't sound anything like they did before or after. They were such a powerhouse in 1969, unbelievable.

Mathijs

Finally someone else who sees the extraordinary value of this concert musically. I was afraid that I was the only one...

Not only that The Stones were such a powerhouse in 1969 - they were in the heights of their power and creativity and anything seemed possible to them - it is the braveness and attitude of them trying whatever that I find so fascinating at the time. Hyde Park is a showcase of their natural talent and, most of all, will power.

I think it is a fallacy or anachronism in trying to judge Hyde Park show by the criteria of the American tour a few months later that pretty much give the blueprint for the Stones sound (and for a rock show) for the years to come. In Hyde Park they were after something else. And that was a beauty on its own terms.

What is cool with The Stones is that they have/had these 'once in a life time' moments in their career.

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I just love this show, with all glitches and out of tune guitars. It's such a strange gig for them, they don't sound anything like they did before or after. They were such a powerhouse in 1969, unbelievable.

Mathijs

Finally someone else who sees the extraordinary value of this concert musically. I was afraid that I was the only one...

Not only that The Stones were such a powerhouse in 1969 - they were in the heights of their power and creativity and anything seemed possible to them - it is the braveness and attitude of them trying whatever that I find so fascinating at the time. Hyde Park is a showcase of their natural talent and, most of all, will power.

I think it is a fallacy or anachronism in trying to judge Hyde Park show by the criteria of the American tour a few months later that pretty much give the blueprint for the Stones sound (and for a rock show) for the years to come. In Hyde Park they were after something else. And that was a beauty on its own terms.

What is cool with The Stones is that they have/had these 'once in a life time' moments in their career.

- Doxa

Spot on, great post.

I haven't listened to my Hyde Park69 bootlegs, but one of them is excellent with 3 songs: "Midnight Rambler - Sympathy for the Devil - Satisfaction", the first song Midnight Rambler improves after a few minutes with great guitars from Keith and Mick Taylor besides great vocals from Mick Jagger, for me one of my favorite Ramblers!

Mick Jagger interview Free Concert Hyde Park, white labels.



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Bill is a total monster on Stray Cat Blues. Brilliant stuff.
It might all hippy, but this is a punk gig.

Has anybody heard the audio portion of the new Mayflower release? Worth getting?

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I just love this show, with all glitches and out of tune guitars. It's such a strange gig for them, they don't sound anything like they did before or after. They were such a powerhouse in 1969, unbelievable.

Mathijs

Finally someone else who sees the extraordinary value of this concert musically. I was afraid that I was the only one...

Not only that The Stones were such a powerhouse in 1969 - they were in the heights of their power and creativity and anything seemed possible to them - it is the braveness and attitude of them trying whatever that I find so fascinating at the time. Hyde Park is a showcase of their natural talent and, most of all, will power.

I think it is a fallacy or anachronism in trying to judge Hyde Park show by the criteria of the American tour a few months later that pretty much give the blueprint for the Stones sound (and for a rock show) for the years to come. In Hyde Park they were after something else. And that was a beauty on its own terms.

What is cool with The Stones is that they have/had these 'once in a life time' moments in their career.

- Doxa

The Hyde Park gig shares a parallel with the pivotal shows at Knebworth 76 and El Mocambo 77 where the band approached these gigs as a one off, effectively tearing up the tired and worn out structured set list format and jumping into somewhat unknown territory.

Hyde Park came completely out of nowhere as they hadn't toured since 1967.

Knebworth came at the end of a European tour but with a 3 month lay off in between. I remember being there and bring knocked as they slammed in (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction as the first song and then delighted us with Around And Around, Little Red Rooster, Stray Cat Blues, Let's Spend The Night Together, Dead Flowers, Route 66 - many of those they hadn't played for over 10 years.

At El Mocambo, they did it again and brought back All Down The Line, Route 66, Crazy Mama, Mannish Boy, Crackin' Up, Dance Little Sister, Around And Around, Let's Spend The Night Together, Worried Life Blues, Little Red Rooster, Melody, Luxury and Worried About You. A quite incredible set list of rarities that has never been repeated - with perhaps the only exception being Sticky Fingers being played in its entirety at the Fonda in 2015.

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I just love this show, with all glitches and out of tune guitars. It's such a strange gig for them, they don't sound anything like they did before or after. They were such a powerhouse in 1969, unbelievable.

Mathijs

Agreed, I too love it. I enjoyed this new version on YouTube twice already in the past few days and the show does have a power all it's own. Particularly the run after the opening song - from JJF, through Mercy Mercy, a very hot rockin' Stray Cat Blues, No Expectations.

(Gearhead alert) Probably the only time they used Hiwatt amps (usually it was Fender, Vox or Ampeg) and for better or worse, gives them some oomph in the sound dept.

Definitely ramshackle, especially Sympathy, which was kind of a train wreck, but hey, it's only rock and roll.

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(Gearhead alert) Probably the only time they used Hiwatt amps (usually it was Fender, Vox or Ampeg) and for better or worse, gives them some oomph in the sound dept.

Definitely ramshackle, especially Sympathy, which was kind of a train wreck, but hey, it's only rock and roll.

They planned to use the Hiwatts in the US as well, but eventually didn't.

In the studio, though, songs like HTW and Loving Cup (early version) reek of Hiwatt-sounds

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(Gearhead alert) Probably the only time they used Hiwatt amps (usually it was Fender, Vox or Ampeg) and for better or worse, gives them some oomph in the sound dept.

Definitely ramshackle, especially Sympathy, which was kind of a train wreck, but hey, it's only rock and roll.

They planned to use the Hiwatts in the US as well, but eventually didn't.

In the studio, though, songs like HTW and Loving Cup (early version) reek of Hiwatt-sounds

Not the only time they used HiWatt amps -they used them at the two London shows in December 1969 as well. They intended to use them on the 1969 tour, but ended up with Ampeg as the HiWatt's did not pass customs in time, or they were not on international volt settings, whatever story you believe. The volt settings doesn't make sense to me as The Who didn't have the issue, and Marshall and HiWatt were having 110/240 transformers in all their amps from 1967 on.

I am absolutely sure the 1969 version of Loving Cup, Honky Tonk Women and the outtake I Don't Know the Reason Why are the Gibson Es-330 through the HiWatt.

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(Gearhead alert) Probably the only time they used Hiwatt amps (usually it was Fender, Vox or Ampeg) and for better or worse, gives them some oomph in the sound dept.

Definitely ramshackle, especially Sympathy, which was kind of a train wreck, but hey, it's only rock and roll.

They planned to use the Hiwatts in the US as well, but eventually didn't.

In the studio, though, songs like HTW and Loving Cup (early version) reek of Hiwatt-sounds

Not the only time they used HiWatt amps -they used them at the two London shows in December 1969 as well. They intended to use them on the 1969 tour, but ended up with Ampeg as the HiWatt's did not pass customs in time, or they were not on international volt settings, whatever story you believe. The volt settings doesn't make sense to me as The Who didn't have the issue, and Marshall and HiWatt were having 110/240 transformers in all their amps from 1967 on.

I am absolutely the 1969 version of Loving Cup, Honky Tonk Women and the outtake I Don't Know the Reason Why are the Gibson Es-330 through the HiWatt.

Mathijs

Yeah, I always thought the volt setting-story sounded dubious.

Keith's guitar sound on HTW and LC (1969) is up there with the best sounds on record ever, imo.

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(Gearhead alert) Probably the only time they used Hiwatt amps (usually it was Fender, Vox or Ampeg) and for better or worse, gives them some oomph in the sound dept.

Definitely ramshackle, especially Sympathy, which was kind of a train wreck, but hey, it's only rock and roll.

They planned to use the Hiwatts in the US as well, but eventually didn't.

In the studio, though, songs like HTW and Loving Cup (early version) reek of Hiwatt-sounds

Not the only time they used HiWatt amps -they used them at the two London shows in December 1969 as well. They intended to use them on the 1969 tour, but ended up with Ampeg as the HiWatt's did not pass customs in time, or they were not on international volt settings, whatever story you believe. The volt settings doesn't make sense to me as The Who didn't have the issue, and Marshall and HiWatt were having 110/240 transformers in all their amps from 1967 on.

I am absolutely the 1969 version of Loving Cup, Honky Tonk Women and the outtake I Don't Know the Reason Why are the Gibson Es-330 through the HiWatt.

Mathijs

Yeah, I always thought the volt setting-story sounded dubious.

Keith's guitar sound on HTW and LC (1969) is up there with the best sounds on record ever, imo.

I know they used some of The Grateful Dead's gear, which consisted of Fender Twins and Dual Showmans, at the second show November 9 1969 Oakland concert. If you listen to the tapes, they do sound different (better?) than the shows where they used just Ampegs.

"The first show in Oakland was only the Stones' third night and fourth show on the tour. During the early show, the sound reinforcement system blew out, and Keith in particular was very unhappy with the poor live sound. According to Joel Selvin, in between shows Ramrod and Rex Jackson suggested that they go back to the Dead's headquarters in Novato and get their equipment, battle tested and Owsley tuned to perform exceptionally under adverse conditions. They raced across two bridges to get the equipment, returning in time for the Stones set on the late show. While the expert taping of the show made the recording great, there's a reason that the live sound for the late show was so good, and that was that the Dead's sound equipment plugged holes in the Stones rig."

I doubt that Kleermaker improved the sound, but I reconsider my opinion . They dropped a bomb in Hyde Park 1969. Midnight Rambler for example.

Did Keith play the Flying V guitar as a tribute to Brian?

How would it be a tribute?

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How would it be a tribute?

Didn’t Brian play that guitar and not Keith? When did Keith play it on stage ?

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How would it be a tribute?

Didn’t Brian play that guitar and not Keith? When did Keith play it on stage ?

Brian played a Firebird nur I don't remember a Flying V. Keith only played it at Hyde Park to my knowledge.

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How would it be a tribute?

Didn’t Brian play that guitar and not Keith? When did Keith play it on stage ?

Brian played a Firebird nur I don't remember a Flying V. Keith only played it at Hyde Park to my knowledge.

All of a sudden, he played one in a video a couple years ago

This new version is awesome, can't wait to get one