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Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: May 9, 2024 10:47

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It may have been deliberate but sad all the same. So he decided not to take the lead there and play an iconic Keith guitar riff. Keith's playing is pretty bad and it's terribly sad to me. He just cannot play much of anything anymore and he needs time to process what he's trying to do, or wants to do, and you just can't do that live. You can see it in any solo he attempts. There's no flow anymore, just a lick, often in the wrong key or with bum or not very good note choices, then a pause for a bar or two, then another lick or perhaps a few strung together but it's all very musically incoherent.

And gone completely is his signature rhythm playing, when he would effortlessly dance between rhythm and lead, mixing chords and licks and fills, and trading lines with Ronnie. That ancient art of guitar weaving just isn't there now. sad smiley

A part of what you say is true - the solos - but it's been that way since 1969.

Keith always played the riffage in Monkey Man. No idea where you get the idea of lead.

You're absurd.

They perform a song differently from previous tours and "he decided not to take the lead there and play an iconic Keith guitar riff"?

And whatever other crap you ramble about.

He flubs the riff for Start Me Up many times yet this performance deems him essentially incapable of being a guitar player.

Get back on your meds.

I listened to it. It was perfectly fine. You're just spewing fake news.

Complete garbage.

There is room for everyone's opinions here GasLightStreet.



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Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: falo01 ()
Date: May 9, 2024 10:48

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PIT videos.... wonderful! Thanks a lot.

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: jp.M ()
Date: May 9, 2024 11:06

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PIT videos.... wonderful! Thanks a lot.

..as usual..excellent coda..!

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: May 9, 2024 11:14

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Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: May 9, 2024 11:21

I get really bored with all the stuff about Keith being "gone".

Can he play guitar just like he used to ?

Of course not...and he's had to find different ways of playing certain things.


But Keith's guitar playing has always included some shambolic moments.

His nature is to wing it in the heat of battle...and sometimes it doesn't quite come off.

Simple as that.

[and if Keith has been performing whilst slightly under the weather for the early dates of this tour, we should give him only credit for that ]

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: StonedRambler ()
Date: May 9, 2024 11:31

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I get really bored with all the stuff about Keith being "gone".

Soon it'll be "Keith is back!"

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: pftw04 ()
Date: May 9, 2024 11:45

Both Keith Richards and Pete Townshend are 80 years. But Pete still sounds strong and loud. Obviously Townshend was always a loud guitraist. Just watched the Won't get fooled again, He nailed it. So whoever is saying Keith is underperforming because of age, I do not think so. There may be some other factor.

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Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: StonedRambler ()
Date: May 9, 2024 11:50

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Both Keith Richards and Pete Townshend are 80 years. But Pete still sounds strong and loud. Obviously Townshend was always a loud guitraist. Just watched the Won't get fooled again, He nailed it. So whoever is saying Keith is underperforming because of age, I do not think so. There may be some other factor.

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Keith is not loud? So you want Dave Natale to turn him up even more on Sympathy? hot smiley

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: May 9, 2024 12:02

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Both Keith Richards and Pete Townshend are 80 years. But Pete still sounds strong and loud. Obviously Townshend was always a loud guitraist. Just watched the Won't get fooled again, He nailed it. So whoever is saying Keith is underperforming because of age, I do not think so. There may be some other factor.

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Pete is 78 and he's not your typical 78 year old, he's incredibly strong and hasn't done drink or drugs for 40 years.

I saw the Who at Wembley Arena in 89' i think and Pete played behind a protective sound screen all night with an acoustic guitar, it was pathetic.
Couple years later he decided to forget he had tinnitus and blasted away on electric ever since.
He had this replacement playing his electric guitar work, i thought how are these guy's charging all this money to watch Pete this way.

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: May 9, 2024 12:20

I'm not sure what some, here, are expecting of an eighty-year-old Keith Richard's. Whilst he's, to my ears, audibly less dextrous and fluent in his playing, he does a competent job. We're not in Chuck Berry territory, yet. In fact, there were some really rather fine moments from him during the 2021 European and U.K. tour.

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: jp.M ()
Date: May 9, 2024 12:52

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I'm not sure what some, here, are expecting of an eighty-year-old Keith Richard's. Whilst he's, to my ears, audibly less dextrous and fluent in his playing, he does a competent job. We're not in Chuck Berry territory, yet. In fact, there were some really rather fine moments from him during the 2021 European and U.K. tour.

100% OK.....

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: May 9, 2024 12:58

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I'm not sure what some, here, are expecting of an eighty-year-old Keith Richard's. Whilst he's, to my ears, audibly less dextrous and fluent in his playing, he does a competent job. We're not in Chuck Berry territory, yet. In fact, there were some really rather fine moments from him during the 2021 European and U.K. tour.

thumbs up Yep, quite so

..and there are still plenty of magic moments when he introduces subtle new inflections to riffs he's played for generations.

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: May 9, 2024 13:10

Something just dawned on me: just over 20 years ago, the Stones were wrapping-up the Licks Tour. In another two decades, Keith could be living as a centenarian! Keith, at 60, seems so recent. Where does time go? It's also slightly scary. In 20 years, I'll be 60! eye popping smiley

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: May 9, 2024 13:17

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I'm not sure what some, here, are expecting of an eighty-year-old Keith Richard's. Whilst he's, to my ears, audibly less dextrous and fluent in his playing, he does a competent job. We're not in Chuck Berry territory, yet. In fact, there were some really rather fine moments from him during the 2021 European and U.K. tour.

100% OK.....

Apart from the fact that it was in 2022 ! Yeah Keith had a revival of sorts in 2022, much more alert, almost back in charge like in the old days. Some people thought it was because he'd stopped drinking/smoking/whatever. Sadly it hasn't carried on to 2024...

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Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: skytrench ()
Date: May 9, 2024 13:27

There is always lots to complain about if you really want to nit pick the show to pieces. That Keith become the whipping boy for the band is so absurd it borders on the comical.

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: May 9, 2024 13:28

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I'm not sure what some, here, are expecting of an eighty-year-old Keith Richard's. Whilst he's, to my ears, audibly less dextrous and fluent in his playing, he does a competent job. We're not in Chuck Berry territory, yet. In fact, there were some really rather fine moments from him during the 2021 European and U.K. tour.

100% OK.....

Apart from the fact that it was in 2022 ! Yeah Keith had a revival of sorts in 2022, much more alert, almost back in charge like in the old days. Some people thought it was because he'd stopped drinking/smoking/whatever. Sadly it hasn't carried on to 2024...

You nailed it.

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: powerage78 ()
Date: May 9, 2024 14:30

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There is always lots to complain about if you really want to nit pick the show to pieces. That Keith become the whipping boy for the band is so absurd it borders on the comical.

The sad thing is purely that it's no longer Ronnie...

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Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: Testify ()
Date: May 9, 2024 16:08

In my opinion there is some truth in every statement about how Keith plays.
However, Keith has always been outside the box, he is not a technical guitarist, he never has been and as he has gotten older this has become more pronounced.
Comparing Keith to other guitarists of the same age makes no logical sense, also because we are human and each of us ages in our own way.
My opinion is that perhaps Keith should leave some of his solos to Ronnie, at least when he realizes that he is not at his best, Ronnie is still able to play them and would not play them much differently from a fit Keith, fortunately Keith and Ronnie are equal stylistically, both are rhythm guitarists, both play lead in a non-melodic way.

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: powerage78 ()
Date: May 9, 2024 16:14

You make Ronnie sound like a savior... That would be true if he were Mick Taylor !

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Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: skytrench ()
Date: May 9, 2024 16:25

Keith solos on SFTD and GS from this tour have been pretty good. I don't believe Ronnie would do a better job on those, he does not play with that focus and never did. Like Keith's 'Aint to proud to beg' solo, you can't get Mick.T or Ronnie to play like that, it's unique Keith.

I actually enjoy Keith's solos more than Ronnie's during this tour.



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Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: Big Al ()
Date: May 9, 2024 17:30

Keith has a tendency towards inconsistency, which is undoubtedly a combination of old-age and arthritis. With each passing tour, naturally, it becomes that little more apparent. When he’s ‘switched-on’, however, he still, evidently, has the knowing to pull-off an excellent lick, or little solo flourish. In my opinion, that’s as much as can be realistically expected. In comparison to Ronnie, his slightly younger sidekick doesn’t have issues with his fingers. He’s sprightlier on stage, too. People age differently, and at different rates. Let’s also remember: Ronnie’s alcoholism greatly affected his participation throughout many of those 90’s performances. He’s really turned a corner. Anyway: with all that said, and taken into consideration; just what, exactly, should Keith do?

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: keefriffhards ()
Date: May 9, 2024 17:38

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In my opinion there is some truth in every statement about how Keith plays.
However, Keith has always been outside the box, he is not a technical guitarist, he never has been and as he has gotten older this has become more pronounced.
Comparing Keith to other guitarists of the same age makes no logical sense, also because we are human and each of us ages in our own way.
My opinion is that perhaps Keith should leave some of his solos to Ronnie, at least when he realizes that he is not at his best, Ronnie is still able to play them and would not play them much differently from a fit Keith, fortunately Keith and Ronnie are equal stylistically, both are rhythm guitarists, both play lead in a non-melodic way.

We all know Keith covered for Ronnie for decades due to Ronnie's addictions, but Ronnie has not really successfully covered for Keith in the same way for a couple reasons, firstly if you ever watch Keith greet the audience and stop playing for 20 seconds you notice Keith's guitar is the Stones, it comes to a halt when he stops playing, so Ronnie can't do Keith's part's and his own at the same time.
Secondly Keith's going to lose his temper if Ronnie tried to play Keith's solos, it's just not going to happen.
Better Keith plugs away over the next 3 or 4 shows and gets back to playing something like he did in 2022 / first half of 2021.
There's possibly somethings preventing Keith from improving though, if he's drinking or smoking weed it's going to impare a man of 80 in a negative way, even if you are Keith Richards.

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Date: May 9, 2024 18:33

I like what they do.

just a question : Wouldn't the stage look nicer with a traditional piano instead of that ultra-modern latest model?

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: 5strings ()
Date: May 9, 2024 19:42

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I'm not sure what some, here, are expecting of an eighty-year-old Keith Richard's. Whilst he's, to my ears, audibly less dextrous and fluent in his playing, he does a competent job. We're not in Chuck Berry territory, yet. In fact, there were some really rather fine moments from him during the 2021 European and U.K. tour.

thumbs up Yep, quite so

..and there are still plenty of magic moments when he introduces subtle new inflections to riffs he's played for generations.

You are completly right, most of those that said that Keith's playing is bad or worse than before,have never take or play guitar once in their life, please try to play what he plays during Monkey Man,with such feelings and sense of timing

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: powerage78 ()
Date: May 9, 2024 21:12

His playing declined due to age and arthritis. Period.
But he remains a rock'n'roll myth.

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Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Date: May 9, 2024 21:40

Another great show.

Jagger still te best in business

His voice sounds a bit less this tour. Not fully fit?

Keith need to solve his smu opening. Unacceptable to be honest.

Great playing for most of the show. They are really focussed

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: Bastion ()
Date: May 9, 2024 21:49

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It may have been deliberate but sad all the same. So he decided not to take the lead there and play an iconic Keith guitar riff. Keith's playing is pretty bad and it's terribly sad to me. He just cannot play much of anything anymore and he needs time to process what he's trying to do, or wants to do, and you just can't do that live. You can see it in any solo he attempts. There's no flow anymore, just a lick, often in the wrong key or with bum or not very good note choices, then a pause for a bar or two, then another lick or perhaps a few strung together but it's all very musically incoherent.

And gone completely is his signature rhythm playing, when he would effortlessly dance between rhythm and lead, mixing chords and licks and fills, and trading lines with Ronnie. That ancient art of guitar weaving just isn't there now. sad smiley

A part of what you say is true - the solos - but it's been that way since 1969.

Keith always played the riffage in Monkey Man. No idea where you get the idea of lead.

You're absurd.

They perform a song differently from previous tours and "he decided not to take the lead there and play an iconic Keith guitar riff"?

And whatever other crap you ramble about.

He flubs the riff for Start Me Up many times yet this performance deems him essentially incapable of being a guitar player.

Get back on your meds.

I listened to it. It was perfectly fine. You're just spewing fake news.

Complete garbage.

No! angry smiley No it’s not true! angry smiley Stop it! You’re talking nonsense angry smiley
Everything is fine, just as it used to be, exactly like it used to be, like nothing had changed… wait… No! eye popping smiley Nothing has changed!

You stop! angry smiley Take your meds! angry smiley It’s you that’s wrong! angry smiley The Rolling Stones are exactly the same as they’ve always been, please sad smiley Please, everything’s the same sad smiley

It’s like the 70s, 80s, 90s. Everything is the same please sad smiley Rubbish! Nonsense! Fake!

Please, everything’s the same sad smiley

Please…

Please.

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: skytrench ()
Date: May 9, 2024 22:08

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I like what they do.

just a question : Wouldn't the stage look nicer with a traditional piano instead of that ultra-modern latest model?

Yes, that's the main thing. We can't all join Club27.
Traditional piano...I prefer Chuck on the organ..

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: bobo ()
Date: May 9, 2024 22:39

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You make Ronnie sound like a savior... That would be true if he were Mick Taylor ![/quot

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Mick Taylor?LMAO

Re: Glendale AZ show live updates - Tuesday May 7, 2024 - The Rolling Stones Hackney Diamonds Tour
Posted by: powerage78 ()
Date: May 9, 2024 22:55

Mick Taylor never made me laugh...

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