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The influence can derive from anywhere. You know, when I started to dig The Stones back in 1981/82 I get to know that their worst album and a total disaster is THEIR SATANIC MJESTIES. This was the impression I had based on, say, music papers, books, elder fans, etc. It was like a 'common truth'. Nowadays that's not the case. It is more like 'the album is so much better than its reputation' (and no one thinks - thankfully - any longer that SGT. PEPPER is the best album ever done). The loathed, contrast album now is DIRTY WORK. Probably that is more an 'IORRean truth'. I am not do sure anyone else outside hardcore fans really thinks so or cares/knows about that. No one outside the hardcore fanbase really cares about post-TATTOO YOU albums, or sees there any real variation in quality.

I think there once upon time ago was a musical argument (although a wrong one) why SATANIC MAJESTIES was seen as their 'worst' album. Because it sounded so 'different' and 'un-Stonesy' and whatever. But for DIRTY WORK being that worse than, say, VOODOO LOUNGE or A BIGGER BANG is just a matter of semantics, there is no really any specific musical argument with a substance. Just some contingent feelings why it supposed be so much worse than some of their other albums. But it is not!

- Doxa

In the end, a few bad songs can drag an entire album down.
There's great stuff on TSMR, but who wants to listen to Sing This All Together or On With The Show? Great stuff like Citadel and Rainbow will not save the album.
And with DW happens the same thing. There's great stuff on DW. But who wants to listen to Back To Zero or Hold Back? Take a few songs away from DW and the album as a whole would be much more appreciated.
The same, but in lesser degree, goes for Undercover. Great songs on it but my overall appreciation is less positive because of 3 or 4 mediocre songs on it.
And I think there are real musical substantial arguments to show that Back To Zero really is an absolute piece of s***.

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The influence can derive from anywhere. You know, when I started to dig The Stones back in 1981/82 I get to know that their worst album and a total disaster is THEIR SATANIC MJESTIES. This was the impression I had based on, say, music papers, books, elder fans, etc. It was like a 'common truth'. Nowadays that's not the case. It is more like 'the album is so much better than its reputation' (and no one thinks - thankfully - any longer that SGT. PEPPER is the best album ever done). The loathed, contrast album now is DIRTY WORK. Probably that is more an 'IORRean truth'. I am not do sure anyone else outside hardcore fans really thinks so or cares/knows about that. No one outside the hardcore fanbase really cares about post-TATTOO YOU albums, or sees there any real variation in quality.

I think there once upon time ago was a musical argument (although a wrong one) why SATANIC MAJESTIES was seen as their 'worst' album. Because it sounded so 'different' and 'un-Stonesy' and whatever. But for DIRTY WORK being that worse than, say, VOODOO LOUNGE or A BIGGER BANG is just a matter of semantics, there is no really any specific musical argument with a substance. Just some contingent feelings why it supposed be so much worse than some of their other albums. But it is not!

- Doxa

In the end, a few bad songs can drag an entire album down.
There's great stuff on TSMR, but who wants to listen to Sing This All Together or On With The Show? Great stuff like Citadel and Rainbow will not save the album.
And with DW happens the same thing. There's great stuff on DW. But who wants to listen to Back To Zero or Hold Back? Take a few songs away from DW and the album as a whole would be much more appreciated.
The same, but in lesser degree, goes for Undercover. Great songs on it but my overall appreciation is less positive because of 3 or 4 mediocre songs on it.
And I think there are real musical substantial arguments to show that Back To Zero really is an absolute piece of s***.

That's funny, because On With The Show is, and genuinely has been in my top 5 Stones tracks for years!
Gimme Shelter
Thru And Thru
Heaven
On With The Show
Time Waits For No-One

That's why I love these forums - we all have such different opinions/tastes! Yet everyone is almost always respectful and open to others interpretations

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I'm not suggesting anyone on here thinks like this (God forbid), but I often wonder how much of the hate for Dirty Work is determined by influence...

Influence from where? Which online forum existed in 1985 where this was discussed?

The influence can derive from anywhere. You know, when I started to dig The Stones back in 1981/82 I get to know that their worst album and a total disaster is THEIR SATANIC MJESTIES. This was the impression I had based on, say, music papers, books, elder fans, etc. It was like a 'common truth'. Nowadays that's not the case. It is more like 'the album is so much better than its reputation' (and no one thinks - thankfully - any longer that SGT. PEPPER is the best album ever done). The loathed, contrast album now is DIRTY WORK. Probably that is more an 'IORRean truth'. I am not do sure anyone else outside hardcore fans really thinks so or cares/knows about that. No one outside the hardcore fanbase really cares about post-TATTOO YOU albums, or sees there any real variation in quality.

I think there once upon time ago was a musical argument (although a wrong one) why SATANIC MAJESTIES was seen as their 'worst' album. Because it sounded so 'different' and 'un-Stonesy' and whatever. But for DIRTY WORK being that worse than, say, VOODOO LOUNGE or A BIGGER BANG is just a matter of semantics, there is no really any specific musical argument with a substance. Just some contingent feelings why it supposed be so much worse than some of their other albums. But it is not!

- Doxa

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I'm not suggesting anyone on here thinks like this (God forbid), but I often wonder how much of the hate for Dirty Work is determined by influence...

Influence from where? Which online forum existed in 1985 where this was discussed?

The influence can derive from anywhere. You know, when I started to dig The Stones back in 1981/82 I get to know that their worst album and a total disaster is THEIR SATANIC MJESTIES. This was the impression I had based on, say, music papers, books, elder fans, etc. It was like a 'common truth'. Nowadays that's not the case. It is more like 'the album is so much better than its reputation' (and no one thinks - thankfully - any longer that SGT. PEPPER is the best album ever done). The loathed, contrast album now is DIRTY WORK. Probably that is more an 'IORRean truth'. I am not do sure anyone else outside hardcore fans really thinks so or cares/knows about that. No one outside the hardcore fanbase really cares about post-TATTOO YOU albums, or sees there any real variation in quality.

I think there once upon time ago was a musical argument (although a wrong one) why SATANIC MAJESTIES was seen as their 'worst' album. Because it sounded so 'different' and 'un-Stonesy' and whatever. But for DIRTY WORK being that worse than, say, VOODOO LOUNGE or A BIGGER BANG is just a matter of semantics, there is no really any specific musical argument with a substance. Just some contingent feelings why it supposed be so much worse than some of their other albums. But it is not!

- Doxa

Spin it anyway you can, but it doesn't change it. DW is an awful album. If that opinion from most comes from influence then that influence was warranted.

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It's a great song!

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It's a great song!

‘They’re naked and they dance…’

I’ve always enjoyed this little ditty. It’s an ultra-cool song but unfortunately not that substantial. In that sense, I find it similar to songs like ‘Shake Your Hips’, ‘Sweet Black Angel,’ ‘Turd On The Run,’ and ‘I Just Want To See His Face.’ Do you see where I’m going with this? If Exile were just a single album featuring those 4 songs I’m fairly certain it wouldn’t be hailed as the greatest rock n’ roll record of all time. But those songs are awesome (in the overall context of Exile’s sonic landscape). I’m also fairly certain that if Their Satanics had been a double album with several meaty songs like She’s A Rainbow and 2000, On With The Show would be considered a minor classic.

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1 - Tattoo You - Tops
2 - Hackney Diamonds - Live by the Sword
3 - Bigger Bang - It Won’t Take Long
4 - Undercover - It Must be Hell
5 - B2 Babylon - Thief in the Night
6 - Blue and Lonesome - All of Your Love
7 - Voodoo Lounge - Love is Strong
8 - Emotional Rescue - Where the Boys Go
9 - Steel Wheels - Slipping Away
10- Dirty Work - Harlem Shuffle

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I'm not suggesting anyone on here thinks like this (God forbid), but I often wonder how much of the hate for Dirty Work is determined by influence...

Influence from where? Which online forum existed in 1985 where this was discussed?

The influence can derive from anywhere. You know, when I started to dig The Stones back in 1981/82 I get to know that their worst album and a total disaster is THEIR SATANIC MJESTIES. This was the impression I had based on, say, music papers, books, elder fans, etc. It was like a 'common truth'. Nowadays that's not the case. It is more like 'the album is so much better than its reputation' (and no one thinks - thankfully - any longer that SGT. PEPPER is the best album ever done). The loathed, contrast album now is DIRTY WORK. Probably that is more an 'IORRean truth'. I am not do sure anyone else outside hardcore fans really thinks so or cares/knows about that. No one outside the hardcore fanbase really cares about post-TATTOO YOU albums, or sees there any real variation in quality.

I think there once upon time ago was a musical argument (although a wrong one) why SATANIC MAJESTIES was seen as their 'worst' album. Because it sounded so 'different' and 'un-Stonesy' and whatever. But for DIRTY WORK being that worse than, say, VOODOO LOUNGE or A BIGGER BANG is just a matter of semantics, there is no really any specific musical argument with a substance. Just some contingent feelings why it supposed be so much worse than some of their other albums. But it is not!

- Doxa

Spin it anyway you can, but it doesn't change it. DW is an awful album. If that opinion from most comes from influence then that influence was warranted.

"Awful"? There is no such a thing called an awful Rolling Stones album. You put those dudes on the studio and the result will never sound 'awful'. Try find some others artists if you want to find those...

Olga should take care of ya!

- Doxa

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It just bugs me when people present something as fact when it is an opinion - just makes people sound a bit stupid
It's probably a me thing though - I should lighten up.

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I'm not suggesting anyone on here thinks like this (God forbid), but I often wonder how much of the hate for Dirty Work is determined by influence...

Influence from where? Which online forum existed in 1985 where this was discussed?

The influence can derive from anywhere. You know, when I started to dig The Stones back in 1981/82 I get to know that their worst album and a total disaster is THEIR SATANIC MJESTIES. This was the impression I had based on, say, music papers, books, elder fans, etc. It was like a 'common truth'. Nowadays that's not the case. It is more like 'the album is so much better than its reputation' (and no one thinks - thankfully - any longer that SGT. PEPPER is the best album ever done). The loathed, contrast album now is DIRTY WORK. Probably that is more an 'IORRean truth'. I am not do sure anyone else outside hardcore fans really thinks so or cares/knows about that. No one outside the hardcore fanbase really cares about post-TATTOO YOU albums, or sees there any real variation in quality.

I think there once upon time ago was a musical argument (although a wrong one) why SATANIC MAJESTIES was seen as their 'worst' album. Because it sounded so 'different' and 'un-Stonesy' and whatever. But for DIRTY WORK being that worse than, say, VOODOO LOUNGE or A BIGGER BANG is just a matter of semantics, there is no really any specific musical argument with a substance. Just some contingent feelings why it supposed be so much worse than some of their other albums. But it is not!

- Doxa

Spin it anyway you can, but it doesn't change it. DW is an awful album. If that opinion from most comes from influence then that influence was warranted.

"Awful"? There is no such a thing called an awful Rolling Stones album. You put those dudes on the studio and the result will never sound 'awful'. Try find some others artists if you want to find those...

Olga should take care of ya!

- Doxa