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donvis
They should’ve played it a little slower like the record. Very compressed compared to the rest of the record. Mick should’ve said Muddy instead of baby like he said Slim Harpo in Shake Your Hips. And last, but not least, they omitted the third verse. Nevertheless, I enjoyed it.
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Not a bad song, but not my favorite blues song that they have recorded.
I think Mick yells a lot in some parts.
I agree with you about not being my favorite blues song recorded by them. They have better original blues songs than this one.
Since some journalists have been compared this album to Some Girls, should we say that RSB could be HD's Just my Imagination? I don't think so, deapite being a cover. Both are very good, but I'd prefer Just my Imagination.
Having said that, I guess all of us can understand the significance of this song in the Stones history, and for that I'm glad they finally recorded it (although it seems they've played it live a few times, according to Dick Taylor on Suburban Steps to Rockland).
It closes this album perfectly.
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donvis
They should’ve played it a little slower like the record. Very compressed compared to the rest of the record. Mick should’ve said Muddy instead of baby like he said Slim Harpo in Shake Your Hips. And last, but not least, they omitted the third verse. Nevertheless, I enjoyed it.
It's recorded on tape, with only one mic, to sound authentic. How can it be compressed?
Tape compression is a sonic signature of recording to tape, and the amount is definitely controllable.
I've only listened once, and I haven't listened to the rest of the album in comparison though. Nothing weird popped out, but it was laptop speakers so I'm not going to say it's overly compressed or not. But the performance was great.
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donvis
They should’ve played it a little slower like the record. Very compressed compared to the rest of the record. Mick should’ve said Muddy instead of baby like he said Slim Harpo in Shake Your Hips. And last, but not least, they omitted the third verse. Nevertheless, I enjoyed it.
It's recorded on tape, with only one mic, to sound authentic. How can it be compressed?
Tape compression is a sonic signature of recording to tape, and the amount is definitely controllable.
I've only listened once, and I haven't listened to the rest of the album in comparison though. Nothing weird popped out, but it was laptop speakers so I'm not going to say it's overly compressed or not. But the performance was great.
That's a different kind of compression, that sounds way more organic
donvis might be thinking of the lack of treble and the obvious drop in sound quality compared with the other songs on the album. But that was intentional, as they've told numerous times in the interviews.
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donvis
They should’ve played it a little slower like the record. Very compressed compared to the rest of the record. Mick should’ve said Muddy instead of baby like he said Slim Harpo in Shake Your Hips. And last, but not least, they omitted the third verse. Nevertheless, I enjoyed it.
It's recorded on tape, with only one mic, to sound authentic. How can it be compressed?
Tape compression is a sonic signature of recording to tape, and the amount is definitely controllable.
I've only listened once, and I haven't listened to the rest of the album in comparison though. Nothing weird popped out, but it was laptop speakers so I'm not going to say it's overly compressed or not. But the performance was great.
That's a different kind of compression, that sounds way more organic
donvis might be thinking of the lack of treble and the obvious drop in sound quality compared with the other songs on the album. But that was intentional, as they've told numerous times in the interviews.
It's compression. They could have recorded the mics through compressors, they could have compressed on the console, they could have compressed the tape machine, they could have compressed during mixing and/or mastering. There could even be compression via the format donvis listened on.
Lots of options for compression.
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RobertJohnson
The best track of the album and a candidate für Blue & Lonesome II. The Stones are dedicated to their founding document. In principle, the song has the quality of Prodigal Son, but the slick production bothers and disturbs me. Pop producers should not be allowed on the blues. Nevertheless 9/10.
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But am I wrong or Andy Watt said in an interview that the guitar that was used for RS blues was an old acoustic with no truss rod and a high action that needed to capoed to make it playable?
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But am I wrong or Andy Watt said in an interview that the guitar that was used for RS blues was an old acoustic with no truss rod and a high action that needed to capoed to make it playable?
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If we leave the truss rod for a second, though, it could have been this guitar and a pic before they decided to tune down and put on the capo.
However, something's indeed not right here
EDIT: Or it might have been a pic of overdubbing Dreamy Skies?
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But am I wrong or Andy Watt said in an interview that the guitar that was used for RS blues was an old acoustic with no truss rod and a high action that needed to capoed to make it playable?
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If we leave the truss rod for a second, though, it could have been this guitar and a pic before they decided to tune down and put on the capo.
However, something's indeed not right here
EDIT: Or it might have been a pic of overdubbing Dreamy Skies?
Don't think it's an overdub session as none of them is wearing headphones
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They should’ve played it a little slower like the record. Very compressed compared to the rest of the record. Mick should’ve said Muddy instead of baby like he said Slim Harpo in Shake Your Hips. And last, but not least, they omitted the third verse. Nevertheless, I enjoyed it.
It's recorded on tape, with only one mic, to sound authentic. How can it be compressed?
Tape compression is a sonic signature of recording to tape, and the amount is definitely controllable.
I've only listened once, and I haven't listened to the rest of the album in comparison though. Nothing weird popped out, but it was laptop speakers so I'm not going to say it's overly compressed or not. But the performance was great.
That's a different kind of compression, that sounds way more organic
donvis might be thinking of the lack of treble and the obvious drop in sound quality compared with the other songs on the album. But that was intentional, as they've told numerous times in the interviews.
It's compression. They could have recorded the mics through compressors, they could have compressed on the console, they could have compressed the tape machine, they could have compressed during mixing and/or mastering. There could even be compression via the format donvis listened on.
Lots of options for compression.
That was my point. Obviously, this was an artistic choice.
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But am I wrong or Andy Watt said in an interview that the guitar that was used for RS blues was an old acoustic with no truss rod and a high action that needed to capoed to make it playable?
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liddas
But am I wrong or Andy Watt said in an interview that the guitar that was used for RS blues was an old acoustic with no truss rod and a high action that needed to capoed to make it playable?
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Well the old Gibson in the above photo has a truss rod ..unless truss rod covers were invented before truss rods were !
[The comments could have meant that the truss rod was seized up I suppose...or it could have just been a made up throw away remark for effect]
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Doxa
Let's go on.
So Muddy liked "Rollin' Stone"/"Catfish Blues" so much that he wrote totally new lyrics on it, and called it "Still A Fool" (sometimes called as "Two Trains Running").
Here is the 1951 original (Little Walter on second guitar, and, interestingly, Leonard Chess on bass drum supporting him there):
Well, now, there's two, there's two trains running
Well, they ain't never, no, going my way
Well, now, one run at midnight and the other one
Running just 'fore day
It's running just 'fore day
It's running just 'fore day
Oh Lord, sure 'nough they is
Oh well
Mm mm, ho ho
Somebody help me, ho, with these blues
Well, now, she's the one I'm loving, she's the one
I do hate to lose
I do hate to lose
I do hate to lose
Oh Lord, sure 'nough I do
Oh well
I been crazy, yes, I been a fool
I been crazy, oh, all of my life
Well I done fell in love with a
With another man's wife
With another man's wife
With another man's wife
Oh Lord, sure 'nough I done
Oh well
Lord, she's so long and tall
Till she weep like a willow tree
Well, now, they say she's no good, but she's all right
She's all right with me
She's all right, she's all right
She's all right, she's all right
It is a question of semantics and that of definition if they are different songs or same songs with different lyrics. Funnily, when Jimi Hendrix played a song he called "Catfish Blues" he used the verses from both of "Rollin' Stone" and "Still A Fool" there. (The thumb rule seems to be: if one uses the verse including the 'Rolling' Stone' phrase, it is "Rollin' Stone", otherwise "Catfish Blues")
But whatever, this is the version we Stones fans know very well. When Keith says that they never played "Rollin' Stone" before, but he knows the song upside down, there is a truth there. If one is a guitar player, and knows "Still a Fool", one knows "Rollin' Stone" as well. There never been any official releases, but some bootleg gems.
The most classical of them, no doubt, is the one deriving from BEGGARS BANQUET sessions.
How cool it that, huh? The way Keith nails the riff, Brian adds his slide, Mick interprets the vocals, plus Charlie and Bill....
But the live version from 1995 ain't bad either. This dudes know their Muddy, or what you think (Keith really knows this riff!):
Mick seemingly has loved the tune. Here he is with The Red Devils doing his own version (1992):
Keith too. Here he is nailing the riff with the great Hubert Sumlin - and this actually is the only Stones-related official release of the song (2005) - before "Rolling Stone Blues", that is:
- Doxa
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Let's go on.
So Muddy liked "Rollin' Stone"/"Catfish Blues" so much that he wrote totally new lyrics on it, and called it "Still A Fool" (sometimes called as "Two Trains Running").
Here is the 1951 original (Little Walter on second guitar, and, interestingly, Leonard Chess on bass drum supporting him there):
Well, now, there's two, there's two trains running
Well, they ain't never, no, going my way
Well, now, one run at midnight and the other one
Running just 'fore day
It's running just 'fore day
It's running just 'fore day
Oh Lord, sure 'nough they is
Oh well
Mm mm, ho ho
Somebody help me, ho, with these blues
Well, now, she's the one I'm loving, she's the one
I do hate to lose
I do hate to lose
I do hate to lose
Oh Lord, sure 'nough I do
Oh well
I been crazy, yes, I been a fool
I been crazy, oh, all of my life
Well I done fell in love with a
With another man's wife
With another man's wife
With another man's wife
Oh Lord, sure 'nough I done
Oh well
Lord, she's so long and tall
Till she weep like a willow tree
Well, now, they say she's no good, but she's all right
She's all right with me
She's all right, she's all right
She's all right, she's all right
It is a question of semantics and that of definition if they are different songs or same songs with different lyrics. Funnily, when Jimi Hendrix played a song he called "Catfish Blues" he used the verses from both of "Rollin' Stone" and "Still A Fool" there. (The thumb rule seems to be: if one uses the verse including the 'Rolling' Stone' phrase, it is "Rollin' Stone", otherwise "Catfish Blues")
But whatever, this is the version we Stones fans know very well. When Keith says that they never played "Rollin' Stone" before, but he knows the song upside down, there is a truth there. If one is a guitar player, and knows "Still a Fool", one knows "Rollin' Stone" as well. There never been any official releases, but some bootleg gems.
The most classical of them, no doubt, is the one deriving from BEGGARS BANQUET sessions.
How cool it that, huh? The way Keith nails the riff, Brian adds his slide, Mick interprets the vocals, plus Charlie and Bill....
But the live version from 1995 ain't bad either. This dudes know their Muddy, or what you think (Keith really knows this riff!):
Mick seemingly has loved the tune. Here he is with The Red Devils doing his own version (1992):
Keith too. Here he is nailing the riff with the great Hubert Sumlin - and this actually is the only Stones-related official release of the song (2005) - before "Rolling Stone Blues", that is:
- Doxa
I didn't exactly follow the thread, but since you mentioned "Catfish Blues" and Hendrix, I found this "old friend" Mick T with Hendrix's bass player Noel Redding. What shell we do with the drunken Taylor?