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shortfatfanny
Instead of Hackney Diamonds live double cd amazon sent me a casio calculator I've never
asked them for...
Well,thank you for nothing, still be able to count up to 3
Oh yeah, some girls give me children...I never asked them for. So there's that.
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Then you must hate Ya-Yas and Love You Live.
I don't have an opinion on Love You Live, but I do absolutely love Get Yer Ya'Ya's Out! I'm not insane. Yes, I understand there are supposedly a few subtle overdubs on the latter, but it's minimalistic. Today, the Stones perform very differently, and with the somewhat ropey present-day live performances in mind, latter guitar overdubbing and studio tinkering is that much more noticeable. Bottom line: to my ears, it's startlingly noticeable.
Almost all of the Ya-Ya vocals are recorded in the studio.
Ah, okay. To me, that matters less than instrumentation, though. 'Almost all' Really??
The most notable is the chorus of "Jumpin' Jack Flash". What Mick sang originally was something totally different - the half-spoken "It's alright, yeah, it's alright.." . Mick (and Keith doing the back vox, something he did not do at all originally) replaced it with proper singing, mimicking the studio version: "It's aaalriiiiiight..."
If one wants to hear how the original live chorus went for a comparison, it could be found on GIMME SHELTER movie.
- Doxa
Yep, that's well above "correcting bum notes and flapped vocals/lyrics" as it was actually changing the original live arrangement. Still love the YaYa's version, though, despite the fact that this was not what people heard at the respective concert(s).
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FeelslikeaGhost
Listening to the new live tracks, great stuff. Is there any particular reason why they are playing Angry half a step down? The original track is in the key of B but this version is in Bb. even Ronnie's setlist has it labeled as B.
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Then you must hate Ya-Yas and Love You Live.
I don't have an opinion on Love You Live, but I do absolutely love Get Yer Ya'Ya's Out! I'm not insane. Yes, I understand there are supposedly a few subtle overdubs on the latter, but it's minimalistic. Today, the Stones perform very differently, and with the somewhat ropey present-day live performances in mind, latter guitar overdubbing and studio tinkering is that much more noticeable. Bottom line: to my ears, it's startlingly noticeable.
Almost all of the Ya-Ya vocals are recorded in the studio.
Ah, okay. To me, that matters less than instrumentation, though. 'Almost all' Really??
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Then you must hate Ya-Yas and Love You Live.
I don't have an opinion on Love You Live, but I do absolutely love Get Yer Ya'Ya's Out! I'm not insane. Yes, I understand there are supposedly a few subtle overdubs on the latter, but it's minimalistic. Today, the Stones perform very differently, and with the somewhat ropey present-day live performances in mind, latter guitar overdubbing and studio tinkering is that much more noticeable. Bottom line: to my ears, it's startlingly noticeable.
Almost all of the Ya-Ya vocals are recorded in the studio.
Ah, okay. To me, that matters less than instrumentation, though. 'Almost all' Really??
The most notable is the chorus of "Jumpin' Jack Flash". What Mick sang originally was something totally different - the half-spoken "It's alright, yeah, it's alright.." . Mick (and Keith doing the back vox, something he did not do at all originally) replaced it with proper singing, mimicking the studio version: "It's aaalriiiiiight..."
If one wants to hear how the original live chorus went for a comparison, it could be found on GIMME SHELTER movie.
- Doxa
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saintmick
It sounds great, that’s what matters to me. I get this El Mocambo feeling. Played it several times in a row. Love it.
Overdubs? If you take your wife to diner, you ask her NOT to wear lipstick, NOT to fix her hair, NOT to dress up nice? Of course you do, and it will still be her, right?
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If one wants to hear how the original live chorus went for a comparison, it could be found on GIMME SHELTER movie.
- Doxa
That's been a consistent piss me off forever. That live version is so much better than what's on GYYYO, the studio version and anything live since - superior Rolling Stones, the ultimate Stones in that particular performance period.
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FeelslikeaGhost
Listening to the new live tracks, great stuff. Is there any particular reason why they are playing Angry half a step down? The original track is in the key of B but this version is in Bb. even Ronnie's setlist has it labeled as B.
The tuning doesn't reflect the key - a B is still played as a B, even if their tuned to B flat (Bb; Bb, A# or for that matter whatever, D#/Eb): it's the played position root chord name.
Jumped out at me too on Tumbling Dice. Much more tasteful work in the outro than the Vegas revue version Chuck tends to turn it into.Quote
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I think matts piano playing is much more suiting than chucks.
Here I was listening to the Racket release thinking JJF was cooking quite nicely, and then you post this. Makes me miss Charlie more than anything (and yeah, bizarre that they felt the need to tamper with it).Quote
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That's been a consistent piss me off forever. That live version is so much better than what's on GYYYO, the studio version and anything live since - superior Rolling Stones, the ultimate Stones in that particular performance period.
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Listening to the new live tracks, great stuff. Is there any particular reason why they are playing Angry half a step down? The original track is in the key of B but this version is in Bb. even Ronnie's setlist has it labeled as B.
The tuning doesn't reflect the key - a B is still played as a B, even if their tuned to B flat (Bb; Bb, A# or for that matter whatever, D#/Eb): it's the played position root chord name.
I should've been more clear, I have no idea what tuning they are playing in but the key they are playing in is Bb, which is half a step down from B, the songs original key. I played along to it on my piano.
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That's been a consistent piss me off forever. That live version is so much better than what's on GYYYO, the studio version and anything live since - superior Rolling Stones, the ultimate Stones in that particular performance period.
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ARB
Anyone else hear Gaga on the Tumbling Dice backing vocals? Or is Ms. Allen just cooking?
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Anyone else hear Gaga on the Tumbling Dice backing vocals? Or is Ms. Allen just cooking?
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Doxa
Yeah, I love the YA-YA'S version - actually it was initially THE version of the song I was most impressed with - it even shadowed the stunning studio version (even today, when I think of "Jumpin' Jack Flash" guitar riff, the reference to me is this one). Later it was a huge let down when I learned that the vocals were 'fake' big time since I truely love the way Mick and Keith harmonize in the chorus - that sounded essential to the version. But after some time I get to cope with it, and started see it as a masterful recording in its own terms, no matter the 'source'. Authenticity my ass..
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Listening to the new live tracks, great stuff. Is there any particular reason why they are playing Angry half a step down? The original track is in the key of B but this version is in Bb. even Ronnie's setlist has it labeled as B.
The tuning doesn't reflect the key - a B is still played as a B, even if their tuned to B flat (Bb; Bb, A# or for that matter whatever, D#/Eb): it's the played position root chord name.
I should've been more clear, I have no idea what tuning they are playing in but the key they are playing in is Bb, which is half a step down from B, the songs original key. I played along to it on my piano.
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Doxa
Yeah, I love the YA-YA'S version - actually it was initially THE version of the song I was most impressed with - it even shadowed the stunning studio version (even today, when I think of "Jumpin' Jack Flash" guitar riff, the reference to me is this one). Later it was a huge let down when I learned that the vocals were 'fake' big time since I truely love the way Mick and Keith harmonize in the chorus - that sounded essential to the version. But after some time I get to cope with it, and started see it as a masterful recording in its own terms, no matter the 'source'. Authenticity my ass..
- Doxa
I always had an undefined feeling that this album sounded too perfect and orchestrated to be true. By Stones standards. Right from the beginning. Not a single mistake, everything in tune, 10 songs in a row. In hindsight I understand and can live with it.
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keefmick
Is there a way to purchase just the live cd if you already own the standard HD?
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keefmick
Is there a way to purchase just the live cd if you already own the standard HD?