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Taylor1Brian played on every track on Beggars except Factory Girl and maybe Salt of the Earth.Ge wasn’t missing from99 percent if the album.Let it Bleed he contributed nothingQuote
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It finally hit me that this may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. I think Mick saw how pitiful and superfluous (excepting No Expectations) Brian was. The Stones would need more in order to tour, but Brian would have been a liability, not a positive. The film couldn't hide how lost he was. How could they broadcast such a damning show? They would have been inundated with questions about Brian.
They made ninety percent of Beggar's Banquet without him. No more novelty instrumentation. That period in rock and pop was over. It was all guitars now, the instrument Brian practically abandoned.
Yup, think you nailed it. Must have pissed them off too...all that creative energy going into it only to feel they needed to shelve it.
He played autoharp on You Got The Silver and percussion on Midnight Rambler. (Though I have no idea what that means. I certainly don't hear anything distinctive).
As for Beggars he contributes guitar on No Expectations, sitar on SFM, and mellotron a couple other places. It's kind of hit and miss whether he played harmonica or acoustic guitar in a couple places.
His mellotron on Jigsaw puzzle and Stray Cat Blues is outstanding ditto his guitar on No Expectations and sitar on Street Fighting ManHis harmonica on Dear Doctor, Prodigal Son and Parachute Woman is audible and contributes to the songs. Some people claim here he also plays guitar on Salt of the Earth.He also played on Jumping Jack Flash,Still a Fool and Child ofthe Moon. Had he not been busted in May 1968, he might have added more to the albumWhereas on Let it Bleed his contributions add nothing to the songs. I’d argue he was at least as dominant musically on Satanic Majesties with his mellotron,sax and autoharp as Keith .I personally like his contributions to Beggars more than his subdued work on Between the ButtonsQuote
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Taylor1Brian played on every track on Beggars except Factory Girl and maybe Salt of the Earth.Ge wasn’t missing from99 percent if the album.Let it Bleed he contributed nothingQuote
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It finally hit me that this may have been the straw that broke the camel's back. I think Mick saw how pitiful and superfluous (excepting No Expectations) Brian was. The Stones would need more in order to tour, but Brian would have been a liability, not a positive. The film couldn't hide how lost he was. How could they broadcast such a damning show? They would have been inundated with questions about Brian.
They made ninety percent of Beggar's Banquet without him. No more novelty instrumentation. That period in rock and pop was over. It was all guitars now, the instrument Brian practically abandoned.
Yup, think you nailed it. Must have pissed them off too...all that creative energy going into it only to feel they needed to shelve it.
He played autoharp on You Got The Silver and percussion on Midnight Rambler. (Though I have no idea what that means. I certainly don't hear anything distinctive).
As for Beggars he contributes guitar on No Expectations, sitar on SFM, and mellotron a couple other places. It's kind of hit and miss whether he played harmonica or acoustic guitar in a couple places.
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I have read here posts where people say he may have played on it and Jigsaw Puzzle.Even ifhe didn’t, his contributions are more memorable than anything on Between the ButtonsQuote
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The film couldn't hide how lost he was. How could they broadcast such a damning show?
They made ninety percent of Beggar's Banquet without him.
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I think there is a quotation on the Glyn John's book about Brian coming up to Mick during the Let it Bleed sessions and asking "what can I play?" and Mick responding and asking "I don't know, what can you play?" apparently Brian had re-injured his hand and had not healed properly and could no longer play guitar nor keyboards.
I think part of the reason Brian played poorly at the Circus is they were up so many hours that he probably by that time was wasted on whatever substances he was ingesting all those hours.I don’t think Keith played particularly great either , just good.I think he was young enough had he not drowned he could have got himself together.He was such a musical talent.Look at how drugged out Eric Clapton was at the Concert for Bangladesh.He was like a zombie.His playing there was really poor by his standards.And people thought he was going to die around that time.Quote
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The film couldn't hide how lost he was. How could they broadcast such a damning show?
They made ninety percent of Beggar's Banquet without him.
I agree with first part, the second is nonsense.
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I think part of the reason Brian played poorly at the Circus is they were up so many hours that he probably by that time was wasted on whatever substances he was ingesting all those hours.I don’t think Keith played particularly great either , just good.I think he was young enough had he not drowned he could have got himself together.He was such a musical talent.Look at how drugged out Eric Clapton was at the Concert for Bangladesh.He was like a zombie.His playing there was really poor by his standards.And people thought he was going to die around that time.[/quote]Quote
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I really like the JJF version here. Very bottom-end heavy. Less is more, in this case.
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The only thing that's missing is the album intro. Oh, and Keith's backing vocals as well.
The Rock'n'Roll Circus version is almost perfect, imo. Mick singing the actual melody (the only time he did it), and the unique way the riff is played (also a one-off)
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The only thing that's missing is the album intro. Oh, and Keith's backing vocals as well.
The Rock'n'Roll Circus version is almost perfect, imo. Mick singing the actual melody (the only time he did it), and the unique way the riff is played (also a one-off)
I think it drags a bit and lacks some energy, but still it sounds sexy, distinctive and capturing. The way only The Stones can.
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The only thing that's missing is the album intro. Oh, and Keith's backing vocals as well.
The Rock'n'Roll Circus version is almost perfect, imo. Mick singing the actual melody (the only time he did it), and the unique way the riff is played (also a one-off)
I think it drags a bit and lacks some energy, but still it sounds sexy, distinctive and capturing. The way only The Stones can.
- Doxa
That is energy enough for me
However, the danger and mystique of the studio version is hard to replicate.
It's interesting that they tried (albeit half-arsed) the intro on the club show in 1989.
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The only thing that's missing is the album intro. Oh, and Keith's backing vocals as well.
The Rock'n'Roll Circus version is almost perfect, imo. Mick singing the actual melody (the only time he did it), and the unique way the riff is played (also a one-off)
I think it drags a bit and lacks some energy, but still it sounds sexy, distinctive and capturing. The way only The Stones can.
- Doxa
That is energy enough for me
However, the danger and mystique of the studio version is hard to replicate.
It's interesting that they tried (albeit half-arsed) the intro on the club show in 1989.
Yes, I have a cassette of that show, somewhere.
I wonder wny they didn't continue it? Not 'impactful' enough, perhaps?
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I would say that most of those late 60's studio cuts are almost impossible to replicate. JJF, "Gimme Shelter", YCAGWYW,"Sympathy", "Street Fighting Man"... They, basically as a pure studio band since SATANIC MAJESTIES, had mastered the art of studio experimentation and the finished tracks were masterpieces of their own. Perfections. So to make them work live, they needed to approach the songs differently, re-arrange them and so on. Luckily, those songs were so brilliant, like their way to handle them, that some of those 'road versions' turned out to be classics of their own, like giving the songs another, distinctive form. "Jumpin' Jack Flash" naturally being one of them. For example, it was the YA-YA'S version of it that initially exploded my world, although I've heard the studio original earlier (it actually took some time for me to 'get' its magical essence and today it could be my favourite Stones recording).
ROCK AND ROLL CIRCUS is also a great testimony - alongside its other great merits - that they were pretty much still breathing the songs as they had been worked in the studio, and now figuring out how to deliver them. It is also a sort of experiment.
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DrPete
In 1989 they played the intro at a couple early shows. Toronto, Pittsburgh and maybe another. I love it so much