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Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: August 23, 2022 19:38

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VoodooLounge13

Question - are Blu-Spec CD's a better quality than SACD? I see ELO has their catalog on this format.
Depends on your ears winking smiley.
Blu-ray is coded in DTS-HD Master Audio. Which is essentially HD LPCM codding with 24 bit / 192 kHz sample rate.
[en.wikipedia.org]
SACD is made using Direct Stream Digital coding. This one is completely different technology 1 bit / 2.8 MHz.
[en.wikipedia.org]

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: August 23, 2022 22:15

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VoodooLounge13

Question - are Blu-Spec CD's a better quality than SACD?

Blu-spec CDs are normal Audio-CDs (PCM, 44.1kHz/16bit), introduced by Sony Music in 2008. The difference is the manufacturing of the CD-Master: Blu-spec uses a blue laser (instead of infrared) which allows the CD-structures to be produced more precisely and with less Jitter. Since 2012 the CD-Master of Blu-spec is made of material from making wafers in the semiconductor-industry. It results in a smoother surface to produce the Audio-CDs even more precisely and with even less Jitter. Blu-spec CDs (still RedBook-CDDA compatible) can be played in any normal CD-Player. But Blu-spec CDs do not contain any further audio-information - they're more comparable to Super-High-Material (SHM) CDs.

As mentioned above, Super Audio CD (SACD) - [en.Wikipedia.org] - is a completely different technology (based on DSD 2.8MHz/1bit) which allows to store additional audio-information.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: August 23, 2022 22:40

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Irix

12 original RS 1960s albums will be released on 14-Oct-2022 in MONO sound (2016 remaster) and paper-sleeve format as SHM-CD:





Also available at [www.Bravado.de] as well as Amazon (Europe) and jpc.de :

[www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] ,

[www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] .



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-08-24 12:00 by Irix.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: VoodooLounge13 ()
Date: August 23, 2022 22:46

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Irix
Quote
VoodooLounge13

Question - are Blu-Spec CD's a better quality than SACD?

Blu-spec CDs are normal Audio-CDs (PCM, 44.1kHz/16bit), introduced by Sony Music in 2008. The difference is the manufacturing of the CD-Master: Blu-spec uses a blue laser (instead of infrared) which allows the CD-structures to be produced more precisely and with less Jitter. Since 2012 the CD-Master of Blu-spec is made of material from making wafers in the semiconductor-industry. It results in a smoother surface to produce the Audio-CDs even more precisely and with even less Jitter. Blu-spec CDs (still RedBook-CDDA compatible) can be played in any normal CD-Player. But Blu-spec CDs do not contain any further audio-information - they're more comparable to Super-High-Material (SHM) CDs.

As mentioned above, Super Audio CD (SACD) - [en.Wikipedia.org] - is a completely different technology (based on DSD 2.8MHz/1bit) which allows to store additional audio-information.


So which one has a more crisp sound that allows for the best listening quality? It's subjective?

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: August 23, 2022 22:50

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VoodooLounge13

So which one has a more crisp sound that allows for the best listening quality?

Definitely Super Audio CD (SACD) - but it needs a SACD-Player (and a better quality of the other audio-components is not bad either).

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: August 23, 2022 22:52

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Irix
Quote
Irix

12 original RS 1960s albums will be released on 14-Oct-2022 in MONO sound (2016 remaster) and paper-sleeve format as SHM-CD:




Also available at [www.Bravado.de] .
Still you'll need to get The Rolling Stones and The Rolling Stones No.2 elsewhere. Though, jpc.de still have them listed.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: August 23, 2022 23:15

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ironbelly

Though, jpc.de still have them listed.

2020 SHM-CD, paper-sleeve (UICY-79332) - it's listed as England’s Newest Hit Makers (US) - but the tracklist is The Rolling Stones (UK) - [www.jpc.de] - Wikipedia , [www.Universal-Music.co.jp] .

The Rolling Stones No. 2 (UICY-79333, 2020 SHM-CD, paper-sleeve) - [www.jpc.de] .



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-08-23 23:20 by Irix.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: August 23, 2022 23:47

Stunning 60 years on we're still getting more repackages of the original decade. I guess that's a good thing they can still generate enough interest to have people buying this.

I'm probably not in the market for another SACD release as I bought the original SACDs in 2002 however I am contemplating that new MONO box if it is established it is actually being released.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: VoodooLounge13 ()
Date: August 24, 2022 06:15

Were the 2002 remasters in mono as well?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-10-11 16:11 by VoodooLounge13.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: August 24, 2022 13:38

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VoodooLounge13
Were the 200/ remasters in mono as well?
Some of them.
1. England's Newest Hitmakers - all mono
2. 12x5 - 6 tracks in mono, 6 in stereo
3. The Rolling Stones, Now! - 9 mono, 3 stereo
4. Out Of Our Heads (US) - all mono
5. Out Of Our heads (UK) - all mono
6. December's Children - 11 mono, 1 stereo
7. Big Hits - 8 mono, 4 stereo
8. Aftermath (US) - all stereo
9. Aftermath (UK) - all stereo
10. Got Live If You Want It! - out of phase mono (electronically reproduced stereo) + stereo. The weirdest one in the set.
11. Between The Buttons (US) - all stereo
12. Between The Buttons (UK) - all stereo
13. Flowers - 2 mono, 10 stereo
14. TSMR - all stereo
15. Beggars Banquet - all stereo
16. Through The Past, Darkly (US) - 2 mono, 9 stereo
17. Let It Bleed - all stereo
18. Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out - all stereo
19. Hot Rocks - combination of mono and stereo tracks
20. More Hot Rocks - combination of mono and stereo tracks
21. Singles Collection - The London Years - combination of mono and stereo tracks (CD1 and CD2 all mono, CD3 - 4 mono tracks)
22. Metamorphosis - all stereo.

All mono tracks from 2002 and 2016 are not equivalent. Though, marginally different.

2002 stereo version of Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out is not equivalent to stereo version from 2009
2002 stereo version of TSMR is not equivalent to stereo version from 2017
2002 stereo version of Beggars Banquet is not equivalent to stereo version from 2018
2002 stereo version of Let It Bleed is not equivalent to stereo version from 2019
2002 version of Hot Rocks is not equivalent to 2022 version



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2022-08-24 14:32 by ironbelly.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: August 24, 2022 16:42

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ironbelly
Quote
VoodooLounge13
Were the 200/ remasters in mono as well?
Some of them.
1. England's Newest Hitmakers - all mono
2. 12x5 - 6 tracks in mono, 6 in stereo
3. The Rolling Stones, Now! - 9 mono, 3 stereo
4. Out Of Our Heads (US) - all mono
5. Out Of Our heads (UK) - all mono
6. December's Children - 11 mono, 1 stereo
7. Big Hits - 8 mono, 4 stereo
8. Aftermath (US) - all stereo
9. Aftermath (UK) - all stereo
10. Got Live If You Want It! - out of phase mono (electronically reproduced stereo) + stereo. The weirdest one in the set.
11. Between The Buttons (US) - all stereo
12. Between The Buttons (UK) - all stereo
13. Flowers - 2 mono, 10 stereo
14. TSMR - all stereo
15. Beggars Banquet - all stereo
16. Through The Past, Darkly (US) - 2 mono, 9 stereo
17. Let It Bleed - all stereo
18. Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out - all stereo
19. Hot Rocks - combination of mono and stereo tracks
20. More Hot Rocks - combination of mono and stereo tracks
21. Singles Collection - The London Years - combination of mono and stereo tracks (CD1 and CD2 all mono, CD3 - 4 mono tracks)
22. Metamorphosis - all stereo.

All mono tracks from 2002 and 2016 are not equivalent. Though, marginally different.

2002 stereo version of Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out is not equivalent to stereo version from 2009
2002 stereo version of TSMR is not equivalent to stereo version from 2017
2002 stereo version of Beggars Banquet is not equivalent to stereo version from 2018
2002 stereo version of Let It Bleed is not equivalent to stereo version from 2019
2002 version of Hot Rocks is not equivalent to 2022 version

Thanks for replying and the detailed breakdown Ironbelly. I also have the box sets for TSMR, BB and LIB so the redundancy level for me is pretty high...not that that's stopped me before!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2022-08-24 16:43 by treaclefingers.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: August 24, 2022 18:14

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treaclefingers

Thanks for replying and the detailed breakdown Ironbelly. I also have the box sets for TSMR, BB and LIB so the redundancy level for me is pretty high...not that that's stopped me before!
I know the feelings. In this case it is more stamp collecting than music winking smiley

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: August 24, 2022 18:16

Quote
Irix
Quote
Irix

12 original RS 1960s albums will be released on 14-Oct-2022 in MONO sound (2016 remaster) and paper-sleeve format as SHM-CD:





Also available at [www.Bravado.de] as well as Amazon (Europe) and jpc.de :

[www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] , [www.Amazon.co.uk] ,

[www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] , [www.jpc.de] .
Amazon France already has cheaper prices - 15.98€
12x5 - [www.amazon.fr]
Now! - [www.amazon.fr]
OOOH (US) - [www.amazon.fr]
OOOH (UK) - [www.amazon.fr]
Decembers Children - [www.amazon.fr]
Aftermath (UK) - [www.amazon.fr]
Aftermath (US) - [www.amazon.fr]
Between The Buttons - [www.amazon.fr]
Flowers - [www.amazon.fr]
TSMR - [www.amazon.fr]
Beggars Banquet - [www.amazon.fr]
Let It Bleed - [www.amazon.fr]

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: August 25, 2022 03:37

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ironbelly
Quote
treaclefingers

Thanks for replying and the detailed breakdown Ironbelly. I also have the box sets for TSMR, BB and LIB so the redundancy level for me is pretty high...not that that's stopped me before!
I know the feelings. In this case it is more stamp collecting than music winking smiley

Indeed! Fun but it can be expensive. I'm going to have to start thinning out the collection. I have so many copies of some things it's ridiculous. My only saving grace, or at least this is what I tell my wife, is that a lot of it has appreciated in price.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: Matt1984 ()
Date: August 25, 2022 13:06

No update on the vinyl box set?

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: UrbanSteel ()
Date: August 25, 2022 14:53

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Matt1984
No update on the vinyl box set?

The Rolling Stones in Mono
By
The Rolling Stones (artist)
Vinyl 12" Album Coloured Vinyl
£347.99
PRE-ORDER released 21 October 2022

[www.whsmith.co.uk]

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: jackflash27 ()
Date: August 25, 2022 18:00

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UrbanSteel
Quote
Matt1984
No update on the vinyl box set?

The Rolling Stones in Mono
By
The Rolling Stones (artist)
Vinyl 12" Album Coloured Vinyl
£347.99
PRE-ORDER released 21 October 2022

[www.whsmith.co.uk]

So coloured vinyl after all.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: August 25, 2022 18:46

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jackflash27
Quote
UrbanSteel
Quote
Matt1984
No update on the vinyl box set?

The Rolling Stones in Mono
By
The Rolling Stones (artist)
Vinyl 12" Album Coloured Vinyl
£347.99
PRE-ORDER released 21 October 2022

[www.whsmith.co.uk]

So coloured vinyl after all.

Cheaper on preorder through Amazon...good to know it's coloured vinyl!

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: VoodooLounge13 ()
Date: August 25, 2022 19:18

Oh man! I wonder if there will be a different color for each album?!?!?

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: August 25, 2022 20:36

Quote
VoodooLounge13
Oh man! I wonder if there will be a different color for each album?!?!?

DANG! I don't know if I can afford a museum AND play copy right now!

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: UrbanSteel ()
Date: August 25, 2022 20:44

Strange Guys at Amazon. I order the 12 SHM-CDs of The Rolling Stones from Amazon.fr, they turn out to be coming from Amazon.co.uk.
Same story for the Stones In Mono Box, which I order from Amazon.es, it turns out that they come from Italy Amazon.it.is
See the red arrows in the photos.




Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: August 25, 2022 20:51

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UrbanSteel
Strange Guys at Amazon. I order the 12 SHM-CDs of The Rolling Stones from Amazon.fr, they turn out to be coming from Amazon.co.uk.
Same story for the Stones In Mono Box, which I order from Amazon.es, it turns out that they come from Italy Amazon.it.is
See the red arrows in the photos.



I believe it is related to the load of their logistic centers. Last year I ordered from .es (due to low price and free shipping) but got parcel from UK.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: UrbanSteel ()
Date: August 25, 2022 20:59

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ironbelly

I believe it is related to the load of their logistic centers. Last year I ordered from .es (due to low price and free shipping) but got parcel from UK.

Thanks for the info winking smiley

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: VoodooLounge13 ()
Date: August 26, 2022 19:50

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treaclefingers
Quote
VoodooLounge13
Oh man! I wonder if there will be a different color for each album?!?!?

DANG! I don't know if I can afford a museum AND play copy right now!


Well I don't know how any of you afford - or perhaps better still have room for!!! - a museum and a play copy of everything!!!! My play copies take up a TON of room!!! LOL

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: August 26, 2022 20:23

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VoodooLounge13
Quote
treaclefingers
Quote
VoodooLounge13
Oh man! I wonder if there will be a different color for each album?!?!?

DANG! I don't know if I can afford a museum AND play copy right now!


Well I don't know how any of you afford - or perhaps better still have room for!!! - a museum and a play copy of everything!!!! My play copies take up a TON of room!!! LOL

Wait'll you build your museum, then you'll have all sorts of space!

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: VoodooLounge13 ()
Date: August 27, 2022 07:29

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treaclefingers
Quote
VoodooLounge13
Quote
treaclefingers
Quote
VoodooLounge13
Oh man! I wonder if there will be a different color for each album?!?!?

DANG! I don't know if I can afford a museum AND play copy right now!


Well I don't know how any of you afford - or perhaps better still have room for!!! - a museum and a play copy of everything!!!! My play copies take up a TON of room!!! LOL

Wait'll you build your museum, then you'll have all sorts of space!


hot smileyhot smiley

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: Donnebr ()
Date: August 29, 2022 04:05

In the US onnAmazon it’s going for $2700

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: August 29, 2022 04:24

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Donnebr
In the US onnAmazon it’s going for $2700

yeah that's the original Box set from 2016. It appreciated mightily.

The new one is selling pre-release on amazon.es for about 270 Euro.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: ironbelly ()
Date: August 29, 2022 16:24

Strangely enough those recent 12 SHM-CDs are at amazon Canada but not at amazon US.
I wonder if ABKCO took over US market solely.

Re: Stones in Mono to be Re-Released???
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: August 29, 2022 16:46

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ironbelly
Strangely enough those recent 12 SHM-CDs are at amazon Canada but not at amazon US.
I wonder if ABKCO took over US market solely.

Damn you!
I just bought Let it Bleed, even though I promised myself I wasn't going down the OBI rabbit hole.

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