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LeonidP
I could of sworn I read that they started when Darryl Jones and Ronnie Wood met at a train station in Dartford. But hey, everyone has their own opinions about it.
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Taylor1
Brian Hopkins Jones
and ian andrew robert stewart
in my opinion for what's it's worth these two are responsible for starting the band
also technically it's
lewis brian hopkins jones
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The Worst.
(Note: Earl Phillips is a joke, of course. At this point they didn’t have a drummer.)
wishful thinking - he was Jimmy Reed's drummer ! (also played with Howlin Wolf, John Lee Hooker and others(
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NilsHolgersson
Chuck Leavell
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Redhotcarpet
Brian. We all know he started the band. He had a vision, he picked the bandmembers, named the group and functioned as a manager in the beginning.
Lauhable to pretend Stu started anything. He’s just a strawman for Keith and some of you Keithettes.
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Rockman
I fink Blondie was underneath it all ......[/quote
I'm with ya brother. Blondes rule
Does anyone really give a shit. It's done. I'm well into my sixties and I'm taking my fourty plus daughter to her first stones concert .. so just bloody get real and enjoy cause sooner or later this will be the last time
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The Worst.
To elaborate a bit more of important events in autumn 1962/spring 1963 that shows Brian Jones was the sole leader of the band…
An interesting advert in Jazz from the 14th of November 1962 said:
ROLLIN’ STONES
A Shot of Rhythm & Blues.
Mick Jagger – Brian Jones
and the R&B Group.
Anytime, Anywhere.
This gives the impression that the band had two leaders, Mick and Brian, but when The Rolling Stones went to studio for the very first time three weeks earlier on the 26th of October 1962 in Curly Clayton Sound Studios, it was Brian who decided what tracks to record (Muddy Waters’ “Soon Forgotten”, Jimmy Reed’s “Close Together” & Bo Diddley’s “You Can't Judge A Book By The Cover”).
A record was cut in the studio and handed to the band. This demo recording was given to EMI Records in London. On the 31st of October, Neville Skrimshire from EMI listened to recordings and said something like “The band is good, but they’re getting nowhere with that vocalist”. This comment got into Brian Jones’ head. (However: it is probably true that Brian didn't pay a thing and that Mick had to pay Curly Clayton the full amount of 12 punds on behalf of the band.)
Fast forward to the 5th of May 1963, when Dick Rowe attended his first Stones gig at Crawdaddy. Brian was introduced to Rowe as “the leader of the band”. Brian was therefore invited to the meeting with Eric Easton, Andrew Loog Oldham, and Dick Rowe at Decca Records on the 7th of May. At this meeting Brian suggested that Mick should be replaced with another vocalist. Dick Rowe initially agreed. Word has it that Andrew and Dick Rowe’s wife (who did see Stones at the Crawdaddy) defended Mick. But it was Stu that turned Brian away from this move. According to Stu himself, he told Brian “Don’t be a f**king idiot”. This intervention may have saved The Rolling Stones.
Now, all of this shows two things: 1) Brian was without a doubt the undisputed leader of the group in 1962/63. 2) He had a terrible judgement of things.
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Redhotcarpet
Brian. We all know he started the band. He had a vision, he picked the bandmembers, named the group and functioned as a manager in the beginning.
Lauhable to pretend Stu started anything. He’s just a strawman for Keith and some of you Keithettes.
Read the thread. It’s not that simple.
And he didn’t ‘pick’ any members, nor did he start the band alone. It was 2 seperate bands melting together. It’s a myth he was the one starting it. He started ONE PART. The other part was started by Mick and Keith.
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Redhotcarpet
Brian. We all know he started the band. He had a vision, he picked the bandmembers, named the group and functioned as a manager in the beginning.
Lauhable to pretend Stu started anything. He’s just a strawman for Keith and some of you Keithettes.
Read the thread. It’s not that simple.
And he didn’t ‘pick’ any members, nor did he start the band alone. It was 2 seperate bands melting together. It’s a myth he was the one starting it. He started ONE PART. The other part was started by Mick and Keith.
Brian started a band by picking Mick and Keith, he was the manager. Bill among others confirm this. Mick and Keith didnt really have a band, Mick was likely to just continue with hus studies at LSE. And Keith wasnt leading anything.
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The Worst.
To elaborate a bit more of important events in autumn 1962/spring 1963 that shows Brian Jones was the sole leader of the band…
An interesting advert in Jazz from the 14th of November 1962 said:
ROLLIN’ STONES
A Shot of Rhythm & Blues.
Mick Jagger – Brian Jones
and the R&B Group.
Anytime, Anywhere.
This gives the impression that the band had two leaders, Mick and Brian, but when The Rolling Stones went to studio for the very first time three weeks earlier on the 26th of October 1962 in Curly Clayton Sound Studios, it was Brian who decided what tracks to record (Muddy Waters’ “Soon Forgotten”, Jimmy Reed’s “Close Together” & Bo Diddley’s “You Can't Judge A Book By The Cover”).
A record was cut in the studio and handed to the band. This demo recording was given to EMI Records in London. On the 31st of October, Neville Skrimshire from EMI listened to recordings and said something like “The band is good, but they’re getting nowhere with that vocalist”. This comment got into Brian Jones’ head. (However: it is probably true that Brian didn't pay a thing and that Mick had to pay Curly Clayton the full amount of 12 punds on behalf of the band.)
Fast forward to the 5th of May 1963, when Dick Rowe attended his first Stones gig at Crawdaddy. Brian was introduced to Rowe as “the leader of the band”. Brian was therefore invited to the meeting with Eric Easton, Andrew Loog Oldham, and Dick Rowe at Decca Records on the 7th of May. At this meeting Brian suggested that Mick should be replaced with another vocalist. Dick Rowe initially agreed. Word has it that Andrew and Dick Rowe’s wife (who did see Stones at the Crawdaddy) defended Mick. But it was Stu that turned Brian away from this move. According to Stu himself, he told Brian “Don’t be a f**king idiot”. This intervention may have saved The Rolling Stones.
Now, all of this shows two things: 1) Brian was without a doubt the undisputed leader of the group in 1962/63. 2) He had a terrible judgement of things.
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Redhotcarpet
Brian. We all know he started the band. He had a vision, he picked the bandmembers, named the group and functioned as a manager in the beginning.
Lauhable to pretend Stu started anything. He’s just a strawman for Keith and some of you Keithettes.
Read the thread. It’s not that simple.
And he didn’t ‘pick’ any members, nor did he start the band alone. It was 2 seperate bands melting together. It’s a myth he was the one starting it. He started ONE PART. The other part was started by Mick and Keith.
Brian started a band by picking Mick and Keith, he was the manager. Bill among others confirm this. Mick and Keith didnt really have a band, Mick was likely to just continue with hus studies at LSE. And Keith wasnt leading anything.
In a handwritten letter by Brian Jones to an early fan, dated May 4, 1963, Jones himself says this about it:
"The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R & B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the “Stones.” - Brian Jones, 1963.
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In a handwritten letter by Brian Jones to an early fan, dated May 4, 1963, Jones himself says this about it:
"The band is really an amalgamation of two bands. The one being an R & B band I formed about a year ago, and the other being a group run by Mick and Keith in S.E. London. I was introduced to Keith and we decided to pool our resources, so with Stu from my band, and Mick from Keith’s we became the nucleus of the “Stones.” - Brian Jones, 1963.
Here’s the letter:
Brian Jones 1963
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The Worst.
LeonidP: you are right, of course. But if it was up to Brian, The Rolling Stones would have become the greatest R&B-cover band in the UK. He wanted to Stones to be a tribute band to his heroes. Thankfully Mick and Keith took over the leadership, wrote their own songs and turned The Rolling Stones into The Greatest Rock and Roll Band in the World. Maybe I'm a bit harsh, but I think this is another example of Brian's bad judgements or lack of vision. Mick and Keith understood something that Brian didn't. And I don't think the song writing was triggered by ALO locking them into that kitchen, I think the definite moment was "Love Me Do" by The Beatles.
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The Worst.
LeonidP: you are right, of course. But if it was up to Brian, The Rolling Stones would have become the greatest R&B-cover band in the UK. He wanted to Stones to be a tribute band to his heroes. Thankfully Mick and Keith took over the leadership, wrote their own songs and turned The Rolling Stones into The Greatest Rock and Roll Band in the World. Maybe I'm a bit harsh, but I think this is another example of Brian's bad judgements or lack of vision. Mick and Keith understood something that Brian didn't. And I don't think the song writing was triggered by ALO locking them into that kitchen, I think the definite moment was "Love Me Do" by The Beatles.
Hey The Worst, but not so sure Mick & Keith even had that vision. If what I think I've read on this is acurate (I definitely don't know the history as great as some on here, but I've read my share), wasn't it Andrew Loog Oldham that forced them to do this? Supposedly locking them in a room until Mick/Keith wrote a song?
I think I recall that story this way, Andrew saw what the Beatles were doing, and realized the Stones needed to write their own songs too.
One thing I always like to point out to the Mick/Keith haters though, when the go on their "Brian and Bill were not treated fairly" rants ... in Bill's own book he writes how Mick & Keith were always inside writing songs in the early years, while he and Brian were out trying to sleep w/ as many women as possible -- and then ignoring his own words, he at times talks about the lack of writing credits bitterly throughout.
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The Worst.
That story comes from Keith. Mick has always denied it. The reason why it seems a bit strange is because Keith always said they wrote 'As Tears Go By' when ALO suposedly locked them into the kitchen, but they had in fact written songs before 'As Tears Go By' (such as 'Tell Me').