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FP
Hi all,
I am very interested in the story of Exile Main Street and have been reading up on various forums.
I would love to know which Stones were present at the LA Sunset Sound studios overdub sessions for Exile on Main Street?
It would be great to have some quoted sources and pics please rather than hear-say if possible!
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FP
Hi all,
I am very interested in the story of Exile Main Street and have been reading up on various forums.
I would love to know which Stones were present at the LA Sunset Sound studios overdub sessions for Exile on Main Street?
It would be great to have some quoted sources and pics please rather than hear-say if possible!
This might help
[www.laweekly.com]
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FP
Hi all,
I am very interested in the story of Exile Main Street and have been reading up on various forums.
I would love to know which Stones were present at the LA Sunset Sound studios overdub sessions for Exile on Main Street?
It would be great to have some quoted sources and pics please rather than hear-say if possible!
This might help
[www.laweekly.com]
Lots of interesting little nuggets of info there, thanks for posting.
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FP
Hi all,
I am very interested in the story of Exile Main Street and have been reading up on various forums.
I would love to know which Stones were present at the LA Sunset Sound studios overdub sessions for Exile on Main Street?
It would be great to have some quoted sources and pics please rather than hear-say if possible!
This might help
[www.laweekly.com]
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24FPS
So...Mick and Keith were the only Stones for the overdubs?
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24FPS
Nice article. So...Mick and Keith were the only Stones for the overdubs? I really miss the L.A. Weekly. It used to be thick, and would show up, for free, on Thursday afternoons. It carried great restaurant reviews and let you know what groups were appearing where, and other cultural goings on like film revivals. Now it's a sad, thin little throw away of ten pages or so.
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24FPS
So...Mick and Keith were the only Stones for the overdubs?
All five members were there, MJ and KR the most, with MT present at "most sessions", according to the woman organizing and booking for the band. BW and CW came "once, maybe twice" during the winter 71-72, staying "for a few weeks". (This matches what Wyman has told.) She does not recollect spesific tracks.
This is from the Nellcote Chronicles, an interview that was omitted. I will talk with her again soon, however, and hopefully get some more meat on the bone.
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24FPS
So...Mick and Keith were the only Stones for the overdubs?
All five members were there, MJ and KR the most, with MT present at "most sessions", according to the woman organizing and booking for the band. BW and CW came "once, maybe twice" during the winter 71-72, staying "for a few weeks". (This matches what Wyman has told.) She does not recollect spesific tracks.
This is from the Nellcote Chronicles, an interview that was omitted. I will talk with her again soon, however, and hopefully get some more meat on the bone.
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24FPS
Nice article. So...Mick and Keith were the only Stones for the overdubs? I really miss the L.A. Weekly. It used to be thick, and would show up, for free, on Thursday afternoons. It carried great restaurant reviews and let you know what groups were appearing where, and other cultural goings on like film revivals. Now it's a sad, thin little throw away of ten pages or so.
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24FPS
I understand Bill was absent from some sessions due to not wanting to hang around while Keith nodded out on junk until the wee hours. Still, it's a shame he isn't on more cuts. His playing on Rocks Off is incredible. And it sounds like Mick Taylor imitating him on Tumbling Dice.
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GasLightStreet
At the time Jimmy Miller was not functioning properly. I had to finish the whole record myself, because otherwise there were just the drunks and junkies. I was in L.A. trying to finish the record, up against a deadline. It was a joke.
-Mick Jagger, 2003
Listen, if you believe Mick, you'll believe anything. Once again this is the difference between Mick and me. His recollection is quite honestly bullshit. The only things we did in L.A. were things like, you know, We need three chicks to sing back-up on Let It Loose. Or we need a fiddle player. I mean, just extras. You see, the reason Mick says that is because he doesn't think his vocals are loud enough. But lead vocalists never think their vocals are loud enough. I would never take Mick's recollection of anything seriously. If Mick says that we just took a load of 'grungy' stuff out of France, and really made the record in L.A., that's bullshit.
- Keith Richards, 2009
Not all the lyrics were written in a Nellcote environment. That doesn't mean they're not about Nellcote. But a lot of them were written later in L.A. and they don't reflect the Nellcote thing at all. A lot of them are about going on the road, which was actually what was going to happen next. With Tumbling Dice, there's an outtake I've found that has completely different lyrics. It wasn't until we got to L.A. that I rewrote them. The original lyrics were crap. So it was nothing to do with the original experience of recording the album, if you see what I mean.
- Mick Jagger, 2009
[timeisonourside.com]
Keith's petulant remarks came about the time he was finishing LIFE - not much different than when he had his first solo album coming out and he was tearing Mick down left and right about his "jerk off band" or whatever - because the deluxe reissue of EXILE didn't come out for almost another year (it would be interesting to get the full context of what he said - some of the quotes, like from 2003, are from the Rolling Stone magazine interview that year for the LICKS tour, as I recall).
He has such a bizarre attitude at times, very judgmental and biased. He's admitted he was a junkie but he hasn't ever embraced admitting it. It's just an excuse for his projection, which drowned in jealousy decades ago.
And as much as he slags Mick for saying whatever, Mick's always been quite clear that EXILE wasn't just recorded in France.
As noted by a lot of people over the years, Mick has never said a bad thing about Keith in regard to what Keith has said about Mick. Such a weird dichotomy. At least I think that's the right word.
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GasLightStreet
At the time Jimmy Miller was not functioning properly. I had to finish the whole record myself, because otherwise there were just the drunks and junkies. I was in L.A. trying to finish the record, up against a deadline. It was a joke.
-Mick Jagger, 2003
Listen, if you believe Mick, you'll believe anything. Once again this is the difference between Mick and me. His recollection is quite honestly bullshit. The only things we did in L.A. were things like, you know, We need three chicks to sing back-up on Let It Loose. Or we need a fiddle player. I mean, just extras. You see, the reason Mick says that is because he doesn't think his vocals are loud enough. But lead vocalists never think their vocals are loud enough. I would never take Mick's recollection of anything seriously. If Mick says that we just took a load of 'grungy' stuff out of France, and really made the record in L.A., that's bullshit.
- Keith Richards, 2009
Not all the lyrics were written in a Nellcote environment. That doesn't mean they're not about Nellcote. But a lot of them were written later in L.A. and they don't reflect the Nellcote thing at all. A lot of them are about going on the road, which was actually what was going to happen next. With Tumbling Dice, there's an outtake I've found that has completely different lyrics. It wasn't until we got to L.A. that I rewrote them. The original lyrics were crap. So it was nothing to do with the original experience of recording the album, if you see what I mean.
- Mick Jagger, 2009
[timeisonourside.com]
Keith's petulant remarks came about the time he was finishing LIFE - not much different than when he had his first solo album coming out and he was tearing Mick down left and right about his "jerk off band" or whatever - because the deluxe reissue of EXILE didn't come out for almost another year (it would be interesting to get the full context of what he said - some of the quotes, like from 2003, are from the Rolling Stone magazine interview that year for the LICKS tour, as I recall).
He has such a bizarre attitude at times, very judgmental and biased. He's admitted he was a junkie but he hasn't ever embraced admitting it. It's just an excuse for his projection, which drowned in jealousy decades ago.
And as much as he slags Mick for saying whatever, Mick's always been quite clear that EXILE wasn't just recorded in France.
As noted by a lot of people over the years, Mick has never said a bad thing about Keith in regard to what Keith has said about Mick. Such a weird dichotomy. At least I think that's the right word.
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24FPS
So...Mick and Keith were the only Stones for the overdubs?
All five members were there, MJ and KR the most, with MT present at "most sessions", according to the woman organizing and booking for the band. BW and CW came "once, maybe twice" during the winter 71-72, staying "for a few weeks". (This matches what Wyman has told.) She does not recollect spesific tracks.
This is from the Nellcote Chronicles, an interview that was omitted. I will talk with her again soon, however, and hopefully get some more meat on the bone.
According to Taylor and his then wife Rose, Taylor hardly ever went to Sunset to record. In their own words, they stayed in bed for much of the day doing drugs. According to several people who were there (Wyman, Newman Jones) Taylor was very depressed during his stay in LA, staying in a small and very dark rented house, and he often spoke about leaving the Stones.
According to Wyman and Watts they were in LA for business meetings, not for recording. Wyman was disgruntled when he found out many of the bass tracks were done by other people and not him.
Mathijs
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GasLightStreet
At the time Jimmy Miller was not functioning properly. I had to finish the whole record myself, because otherwise there were just the drunks and junkies. I was in L.A. trying to finish the record, up against a deadline. It was a joke.
-Mick Jagger, 2003
Listen, if you believe Mick, you'll believe anything. Once again this is the difference between Mick and me. His recollection is quite honestly bullshit. The only things we did in L.A. were things like, you know, We need three chicks to sing back-up on Let It Loose. Or we need a fiddle player. I mean, just extras. You see, the reason Mick says that is because he doesn't think his vocals are loud enough. But lead vocalists never think their vocals are loud enough. I would never take Mick's recollection of anything seriously. If Mick says that we just took a load of 'grungy' stuff out of France, and really made the record in L.A., that's bullshit.
- Keith Richards, 2009
Not all the lyrics were written in a Nellcote environment. That doesn't mean they're not about Nellcote. But a lot of them were written later in L.A. and they don't reflect the Nellcote thing at all. A lot of them are about going on the road, which was actually what was going to happen next. With Tumbling Dice, there's an outtake I've found that has completely different lyrics. It wasn't until we got to L.A. that I rewrote them. The original lyrics were crap. So it was nothing to do with the original experience of recording the album, if you see what I mean.
- Mick Jagger, 2009
[timeisonourside.com]
Keith's petulant remarks came about the time he was finishing LIFE - not much different than when he had his first solo album coming out and he was tearing Mick down left and right about his "jerk off band" or whatever - because the deluxe reissue of EXILE didn't come out for almost another year (it would be interesting to get the full context of what he said - some of the quotes, like from 2003, are from the Rolling Stone magazine interview that year for the LICKS tour, as I recall).
He has such a bizarre attitude at times, very judgmental and biased. He's admitted he was a junkie but he hasn't ever embraced admitting it. It's just an excuse for his projection, which drowned in jealousy decades ago.
And as much as he slags Mick for saying whatever, Mick's always been quite clear that EXILE wasn't just recorded in France.
As noted by a lot of people over the years, Mick has never said a bad thing about Keith in regard to what Keith has said about Mick. Such a weird dichotomy. At least I think that's the right word.
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FP
I am intrigued by this info to find out when Loving Cup was recorded then? I thought it was one of the Exile tracks completely recorded in LA rather than started in Nellcôte and finished at Sunset Sound (despite earlier alternate versions floating about). However everyone's info seems to suggest Charlie and Bill may have only been there briefly and possibly not contributed to the session?
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FP
Hi Mathijs, do you have a link to interviews from MT or Rose about this please?
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Hi Mathijs, do you have a link to interviews from MT or Rose about this please?
I can hardly imagine that Taylor and his ex wives share their bedroom stories.
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I am intrigued by this info to find out when Loving Cup was recorded then? I thought it was one of the Exile tracks completely recorded in LA rather than started in Nellcôte and finished at Sunset Sound (despite earlier alternate versions floating about). However everyone's info seems to suggest Charlie and Bill may have only been there briefly and possibly not contributed to the session?
To date it is for most tracks still difficult to really confirm where they were recorded. My personal best guess is"
Nellcote:
Rocks Off, Rip This Joint, Casino Boogie, Tumbling Dice, Happy, Turd on the Run, All Down the Line, Ventilator Blues, Soul Survivor
Olympic Studios:
Shake Your Hips, Sweet Virginia, Sweet Black Angel, Loving Cup, Torn and Frayed, I Just Wanna See His Face, Let it Loose, Stop Breaking Down, Shine A Light
If there is any distinction to be made it appears that what are considered more 'Keith' songs came from Nellcote and the more 'Mick' songs from Olympic.
Overdubs were done in LA, with session people like Billy Preston and especially Dr.John really important. I think Dr. John's influence and network of musicians is vital for the atmosphere of Exile -much of what we consider the 'Nellcote' vibe is more due to Dr. John than the tracks being recorded there.
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FP
Thanks Mathijs,
So it looks likely that no songs were recorded completely from scratch in LA which is interesting. I have read many conflicting accounts, including people sayings entire tracks had to be rerecorded in LA. Sounds like actually a lot of the basic tracks were usable and then LA was mainly session overdubs. Thanks!
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Mick Jagger is the sole reason we still have the Stones. And in fact, I think that statement has been true since 1970. I love Keith, but you need to remember that he was effectively MIA for most of the 70s. He of course wrote great songs during that period but in terms of getting the Stones organised and active, you have to give full credit to Mick. And to be honest he has been the driving force all along. It’s the same as Paul
On the Beatles - as much as we all may love the other Beatles’ contributions, the only reason that we are hearing them at all is because of Paul.
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john lomax
Mick Jagger is the sole reason we still have the Stones. And in fact, I think that statement has been true since 1970. I love Keith, but you need to remember that he was effectively MIA for most of the 70s. He of course wrote great songs during that period but in terms of getting the Stones organised and active, you have to give full credit to Mick.
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FP
Hard to tell the truth really between what Mick and Keith both day, adds to the confusion