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Fans shun tickets to Stones gigs = Biggest grossing tour of 2022 in Europe
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illyad1960
For me the formula is simple. Expensive ticket + No new Lp + Static set list = lack of ticket sales. The Stones really aren't giving fans a reason to purchase tickets. Almost the same song list from 50th anniversary tour only without Mick Taylor guest appearance. Times are economicly difficult for many fans and as we all know, when it comes to money the Stones won't be giving anyone a break.
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Topi
I don't know if a new album would have made much of a difference on ticket sales, you have to remember that most patrons at a given show will still be casual fans who are there to hear the greatest hits/warhorses.
I think it’s a cumulative effect. Imagine 4 new albums of original material in the nearly 18 years since the last one, a couple of songs from each as the tours/years went by, and we’d all be getting essentially half a NEW show thru those years - admitting several warhorses NEED to be played! But no, we get 3 singles and that’s it. So the show, as great as it is, remains the same. For $100s of bucks.
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I don't know if a new album would have made much of a difference on ticket sales, you have to remember that most patrons at a given show will still be casual fans who are there to hear the greatest hits/warhorses.
I think it’s a cumulative effect. Imagine 4 new albums of original material in the nearly 18 years since the last one, a couple of songs from each as the tours/years went by, and we’d all be getting essentially half a NEW show thru those years - admitting several warhorses NEED to be played! But no, we get 3 singles and that’s it. So the show, as great as it is, remains the same. For $100s of bucks.
And that's why Elton John is selling out everywere: he still release new albums, his catalog is selling like crazy, he's all over TV/radio, he had 2 UK number 1 singles last year, so the demand is there.
The Stones released their latest album of new material 17 years ago, their catalog is not doing so well on streaming, almost no media presence, their last hit single was 33 years ago, and the show is always the same.
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I don't know if a new album would have made much of a difference on ticket sales, you have to remember that most patrons at a given show will still be casual fans who are there to hear the greatest hits/warhorses.
I think it’s a cumulative effect. Imagine 4 new albums of original material in the nearly 18 years since the last one, a couple of songs from each as the tours/years went by, and we’d all be getting essentially half a NEW show thru those years - admitting several warhorses NEED to be played! But no, we get 3 singles and that’s it. So the show, as great as it is, remains the same. For $100s of bucks.
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illyad1960
For me the formula is simple. Expensive ticket + No new Lp + Static set list = lack of ticket sales. The Stones really aren't giving fans a reason to purchase tickets. Almost the same song list from 50th anniversary tour only without Mick Taylor guest appearance. Times are economicly difficult for many fans and as we all know, when it comes to money the Stones won't be giving anyone a break.
Yes to all of the above, and then add the fact that that Charlie is no longer with them which results in a much lesser of a band in the eyes of many fans.
Sure the casual fans and general masses might not be able to tell the difference with a different drummer, but many lifelong Stones fans certainly do.
When all of these reasons are added up, it's just not the same experience as it once was, and some people have more important priorities now than they once did.
As for the tickets that have been sold, I'd say a majority of them were purchased by people who have never seen the band before. They might only know the names Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.
Ultimately they want to be able to say they've seen the Stones in their lifetime. I know if I had never seen them I'd want to add them to my list, but the fact is it would be a far cry from what it once was.
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I don't know if a new album would have made much of a difference on ticket sales, you have to remember that most patrons at a given show will still be casual fans who are there to hear the greatest hits/warhorses.
I think it’s a cumulative effect. Imagine 4 new albums of original material in the nearly 18 years since the last one, a couple of songs from each as the tours/years went by, and we’d all be getting essentially half a NEW show thru those years - admitting several warhorses NEED to be played! But no, we get 3 singles and that’s it. So the show, as great as it is, remains the same. For $100s of bucks.
No. The problem is not the lack of new material, it's their increasing combined age that does not allow more than 20 songs maximum, most of the time even less, and the fact that they feel they have to play their most large audience-tested, well-known hit material to deliver a "great show", and that's not necessarily the most interesting concert in musical and artistic terms.
So even with your imagined 4 new albums of original material since the last one, it's highly doubtful that more of an extremely limited 2 song-slot would be made up of new material. That's why I've always said concerning new material "time is on their side" - commercially, it does not make a difference how long it takes them to complete a new album or if they release new music at all, they simply don't need it - and that's probably the very reason why they're not exactly pushing it, as they know the truth all too well, too.
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illyad1960
For me the formula is simple. Expensive ticket + No new Lp + Static set list = lack of ticket sales. The Stones really aren't giving fans a reason to purchase tickets. Almost the same song list from 50th anniversary tour only without Mick Taylor guest appearance. Times are economicly difficult for many fans and as we all know, when it comes to money the Stones won't be giving anyone a break.
Yes to all of the above, and then add the fact that that Charlie is no longer with them which results in a much lesser of a band in the eyes of many fans.
Sure the casual fans and general masses might not be able to tell the difference with a different drummer, but many lifelong Stones fans certainly do.
When all of these reasons are added up, it's just not the same experience as it once was, and some people have more important priorities now than they once did.
As for the tickets that have been sold, I'd say a majority of them were purchased by people who have never seen the band before. They might only know the names Mick Jagger and Keith Richards.
Ultimately they want to be able to say they've seen the Stones in their lifetime. I know if I had never seen them I'd want to add them to my list, but the fact is it would be a far cry from what it once was.
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Hairball, I think you may be right about the majority of ticket buyers at a given show going to their first Stones concert (or, perhaps, having seen them once or twice decades ago, given the longevity of the band).
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TheGreekI have to disagree as the casual fan IMHO is not going to fork over $ for the expensive ducats in today's turbulent global economy .Quote
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Hairball, I think you may be right about the majority of ticket buyers at a given show going to their first Stones concert (or, perhaps, having seen them once or twice decades ago, given the longevity of the band).
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Turd On The Run
I will probably miss my first Stones Tour since 1972. I have been to every tour in the last 50 years - including South America. But the cumulative effect of everything all of you gentlemen (and ladies) have mentioned on this thread - insane prices in a dire and precarious economic climate, no fresh new material that they are willing to play on stage, (though through their re-issues they have unearthed and released nunerous fabulous old songs that would be great to hear in concert) no new album of fresh material in decades, the Chinese pest and its historical-scale (and mostly suicidal) destruction of economies, the risk of super-spreader consequences, the war in Ukraine, the list goes on and on...
And of course, for me at least, when Charlie passed away... that changed everything.
No Bill, no Charlie, no Mick Taylor (why not? That would have really spiced up this tour)... a much-diminished sense of myth and musicianship, especially without Charlie. We did mostly without Bill and Mick the last 30 years... but losing Charlie... that's an entirely different impact.
It just all seems rote and stale, needlessly repetitive, crassly commercial... tone deaf to the times and lives people are living... and almost sad now.
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the last tour was bland..but I still saw them in Tampa and it was a dynamite show...they are still showmen...but I can understand the malais....they'd be a great act on a smaller stage but they won't do that...they want and deserve the big bucks....
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KevinPenthouse
I have never EVER Seen a Stones Show in almost 50 years as bad as Brussels - not even close . . .i was shocked when I went on the site the other day . . . it looks like only 1/2 sold . . . and weeks since on sale . . .in the US worst case was 1-2 % and huger venues + in only recent years also in the boon dock added seats side stage . . . . crappy seats that generally sell eventually . . . and i am an etetnal optimist - not one of those "doom n gloom" posters that get off on others strife . . . its just one hit to the body for crazy mama realty
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24FPS
Get less for much, much more. When they played Sofi Stadium in Los Angeles last year the venue parking was $60 USD. Something has to crack. I wanted to see McCartney when he was here, but I'm not paying $200 USD for a nosebleed, plus $60 parking to see anybody at this point. And I sure as hell wouldn't stand in an open field to see them like I did in '78 in Cleveland. It was such crap that I never again went to a general admission/festival seating concert.
So glad I have great memories of the real band, and Blu Ray DVDs to watch the real thing over and over. The drinks are cheap, the cannabis high quality, the TV and stereo great, in my living room.
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KevinPenthouse
I have never EVER Seen a Stones Show in almost 50 years as bad as Brussels - not even close . . .i was shocked when I went on the site the other day . . . it looks like only 1/2 sold . . . and weeks since on sale . .
Did you actually look at the number of seats available. Aside from the obstructed view side stage sections most sections and other obstructed view areas there are limited seats.
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Turd On The Run
I will probably miss my first Stones Tour since 1972. I have been to every tour in the last 50 years - including South America. But the cumulative effect of everything all of you gentlemen (and ladies) have mentioned on this thread - insane prices in a dire and precarious economic climate, no fresh new material that they are willing to play on stage, (though through their re-issues they have unearthed and released nunerous fabulous old songs that would be great to hear in concert) no new album of fresh material in decades, the Chinese pest and its historical-scale (and mostly suicidal) destruction of economies, the risk of super-spreader consequences, the war in Ukraine, the list goes on and on...
And of course, for me at least, when Charlie passed away... that changed everything.
No Bill, no Charlie, no Mick Taylor (why not? That would have really spiced up this tour)... a much-diminished sense of myth and musicianship, especially without Charlie. We did mostly without Bill and Mick the last 30 years... but losing Charlie... that's an entirely different impact.
It just all seems rote and stale, needlessly repetitive, crassly commercial... tone deaf to the times and lives people are living... and almost sad now.
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keefriffhards
Come show time with lucky dips etc i'm sure expensive tickets will be sold at down to earth prices as will 90% of all tickets across the board.